Kidnapping justifies lethal force?

[dsm]

So, 2002 there were 69,000 “abductions” which is what I believe we’re concerned with, given we all agree there is limited information in the scenario and a split-second decision is being made. (this is actually .17% of a chance)

Ok, smart guy, so how many of those 69,000 abductions were witnessed? Specifically, how many were witnessed by a parent?

You don't know, do you? That's why you are making up statistics. Just because you started with real numbers does not mean the numbers in your conclusions aren't made up. You are making assumptions about the data to produce a desired outcome that is almost completely irrelevant to the question that was originally posed.

I am not going to make up numbers here, because I don't know the answer either, but I will posit that in cases where a child is boldly taken from in front of a parent despite cries of "Hey! Stop! That's my kid!" the odds of that child being returned or found alive are substantially less than the 0.17% that you wrongly calculate. Think about it.

[Jose]

So if you saw two random people putting some kid in a trunk and driving off you'd try and get a clean shot off?

I wish you would just STFU on this topic. As the court would say, you lack standing.

[Pete85]

I don't have kids, but if I did, I don't think this would be a situation where I would give a damn what the law said. If someone were trying to kidnap my kids, it would be one of those situations: 1. Empty the magazine. 2. Insert new magazine 3. Repeat steps 1 and 2 until out of ammo.

[Timber]

So if you saw two random people putting some kid in a trunk and driving off you'd try and get a clean shot off?

depends on the situation. if it was a fat kid in a Walmart parking lot who'd been screaming and annoying me while I shopped, i might not take issue with it.

[06LemansC6]

depends on the situation. if it was a fat kid in a Walmart parking lot who'd been screaming and annoying me while I shopped, i might not take issue with it.

How is being fat relevant?

[kaetaur]

I would protect the child first and deal with the legal issues later. If I have to go to jail to protect my family then so be it.

[kaetaur]

My mother had a coworker who had a man grab her child in a packed pizza joint. She jumped up and grabbed her child by the arm and did not let go until the man let go of her child and fled. In the end do what you must regardless of the law to protect children if you as sure that they are in danger. Two people dumping a child in a trunk is abusive at min and the average court will think you believe their life was in danger.

[jcohen]

Perfect answer:

I don't have kids, but if I did, I don't think this would be a situation where I would give a damn what the law said. If someone were trying to kidnap my kids, it would be one of those situations: 1. Empty the magazine. 2. Insert new magazine 3. Repeat steps 1 and 2 until out of ammo.

Since I DO have a child, I agree with this all the more.

[pwatkins]

I'll second that.

Perfect answer:



Since I DO have a child, I agree with this all the more.

[Timber]

I would protect the child first and deal with the legal issues later. If I have to go to jail to protect my family then so be it.

Yep. And not just my child. Anyone's child. If you don't have the nuts to put legalese behind you and protect the innocent when they need it, then you don't deserve to breath. Period.