Reply With QuoteWhat about guns with no serial number (i.e. pre-Fed Firearms Safety Act)? I'm not sure what good it does anyone to register "an old shotgun", for example.
If you, as an MA resident, didn't go through an MA dealer, as appears to be the case, you are now a felon.Originally Posted by bbersani
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What about guns with no serial number (i.e. pre-Fed Firearms Safety Act)? I'm not sure what good it does anyone to register "an old shotgun", for example.
You're still required to report transfers of said firearm.
Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer and thus any interpretation or statements about the law that I might make should be taken with a grain of salt and mixed with your own legal research as well as advice from actual legal counsel. I cannot be held responsible if you find yourself somebody's "friend" in federal, state, or local prison should you act on my opinions on the law. My interpretations of the law will generally be on the conservative side.
What good does it do to fill out an FA-10 for any gun? Absolutely none. But you follow the law and fill out the form anyway...
(Ob. IANAL)
"Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest." -- Mahatma Gandhi
If the ATF does a trace for whatever reason, say a gun found at a crime scene, someones ass might be on the line. ATF starts with the mfr. or importer, to the distributer, to the dealer, to the first retail buyer. etc. I doubt thet they would even consider looking at FA 10's. Jack.
I'm the oldest one-eyed machine gun dealer with a license to tell fortunes east of the Mississippi! Too many licenses and permits to list. Member of Goal, NRA, Harvard, Nashoba, Concord clubs. NRA and Mass certified instructor. 07 FFL and SOT.
Scenario 2. A while back, I was given a revolver by a friend of mine who has a valid LTC-A. I filled out an FA-10 from him to me. I later sold it to Cabelas in ME. I was told I didn't need to do anything because they were an FFL so I got my cash and left. Is this true? If so, how does the state of MA know this is not in my name/possesion anymore?
Scenario 2. My mothers friend's husband is about to pass away and he has an old dbl barrel SG without a serial number and an old lever action rifle. He does not have even an FID card. He asked if I could take them out of his house and told me I could have them. What do I do in this case?
For the 9 billionth time, yes.There is no requirement (or even a means) to "unregister" a gun from the CHSB database. The state doesn't know, and likely doesn't care. Not your problem. Don't worry about it and move on with your life.
The "fully cover your ass" method is to have it transferred through an FFL to you, at least as long as the owner is still alive. After that the rules change a bit, but inheritance or disposition from an executor/trix is a whole different ballgame.Scenario 2. My mothers friend's husband is about to pass away and he has an old dbl barrel SG without a serial number and an old lever action rifle. He does not have even an FID card. He asked if I could take them out of his house and told me I could have them. What do I do in this case?
-Mike
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Yes. No FA-10 required.
They don't/won't know. It's in the system forever. BTW, even if you did file a FA-10, it would not be removed from the system.
He can either leave them to you in his will, or you can take him and the guns to a FFL to complete the transfer. Just make sure you, as the licensed individual, transports them to the FFL.
ETA: I see mike beat me to it.
It doesn't do anyone any good, but you still have to do it. I registered an old Savage 12 ga that predated serial numbers.
If I can't deep fry it or barbecue it, I probably don't want to eat it.
The "good" it does is to keep my old, fat backside out of jail.
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