“Decent” accurate scales??

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I’m sorry to say that after a lot of years I have replaced but never upgraded the little digital Frankfort scales!!!. Well now I have two of those and they’re always different. One could say 4.2 and one could say 4.3.. Any recommendations for a decent digital scale that could be considered good for the price.
Thanks.
I should have but didn’t realize what an important aspect of reloading I was missing using not much good scales.
Thanks folks
 
I’m sorry to say that after a lot of years I have replaced but never upgraded the little digital Frankfort scales!!!. Well now I have two of those and they’re always different. One could say 4.2 and one could say 4.3.. Any recommendations for a decent digital scale that could be considered good for the price.
Thanks.
I should have but didn’t realize what an important aspect of reloading I was missing using not much good scales.
Thanks folks
have you reset the zero
 
Digital Milligram Scale, 50g Portable Mini Scale, 0.001g Precise Graduation, Professional Pocket Scale with 50g Calibration Weights Tweezers (Batteries Included) https://a.co/d/aEJbfQn

Troemner 1512-111 50GN-0.5GN ASTM Class 6 (Replaces NIST Class F) Test Weight Set with No Certificate, Weights 50GN Through 10GN are 303 Stainless Steel & Weights 5GN Through 0.5GN are Aluminum https://a.co/d/812CeAC

This Scale and calibration kit is a good combo.
 
I kinda don't want to trust not blowing up my gun to Electronical Doodads made in Chynah ;)
 
I’m sorry to say that after a lot of years I have replaced but never upgraded the little digital Frankfort scales!!!. Well now I have two of those and they’re always different. One could say 4.2 and one could say 4.3.. Any recommendations for a decent digital scale that could be considered good for the price.
Thanks.
I should have but didn’t realize what an important aspect of reloading I was missing using not much good scales.
Thanks folks

Your splitting unnecessary hairs with concerns of a tenth of a grain discrepancy. I guarantee there is other very minor discrepancies in you process as well , consistent seating depth , varied neck tensions, brass wall thickness concentricity. These are much harder to identify, powder charge is easy to identify. Just do your same process every time . Load safe and just shoot !
 
I never had any concerns using just one scale but two scales not coming in at the same weight was bothering me. I KNOW I’ve shot .3 and .4 charged rounds and never noticed the difference even when shooting for groups. I am geared up to start loading 5.56/.223 and .308 and plan on using a more precise scale and funnel system for at least the .308. I guess I felt like being a tenth of a grain off one way or the other was huge but I never noticed it on paper. Thanks guys!! Comforting!
 
I never had any concerns using just one scale but two scales not coming in at the same weight was bothering me. I KNOW I’ve shot .3 and .4 charged rounds and never noticed the difference even when shooting for groups. I am geared up to start loading 5.56/.223 and .308 and plan on using a more precise scale and funnel system for at least the .308. I guess I felt like being a tenth of a grain off one way or the other was huge but I never noticed it on paper. Thanks guys!! Comforting!
The smaller the charge, the larger a "small" difference makes. A tenth of a grain makes more of a velocity difference in a 4 grain pistol round than it does a 42 grain 308 rd.
I don't load pistol, but a tenth of a grain in a 223 is next to nothing.
 
Yes Walter my wallet would hate me and the old ball & chain might cuff me IF I told her I had spent close to $1000.00 for a scale. (Not really, I am the boss). I was/am contemplating buying a scale in the two or three hundred dollar range but I thought about it a bit and decided not right now. I’m basically being gifted a ten year old 550B for really short money and when the .223/5.56 and .308 shell plates, dies etc are in hand I’d like to work on my rifle skills. I can shoot plenty good enough for deer and 200 yard antelope but I’d be jacked to be able to shoot some clover leaf size groups and I would think tweaking your load is far more important than with a handgun. As cheap as the Frankfort scales are the Amir/Chinese scale is even cheaper! Does it actually accurately measure to 100th place and not just a 10th?? WTH. I can’t even buy red meat for the $20.00 that Chinese scale cost so I’ll check it out.
My mistake was putting two scales on the bench. I’ve never had any trouble with powder drops that were inconsistent or at least not that I’m aware. “Load safe and shoot” is sage advice! Now if I could just figure out the right crimp or lack of and why my OAL sometimes ranges from 1.100 to 1.125 in 9mm. Overthink things much? Yep! Thanks guys. I genuinely appreciate the advice.
 
I wouldn't blame range brass for inconsistent OAL in 9mm. This has not been my experience and I would look closer at the shell plate and seating die.
 
Hey Walter. I’ve had the 550 for 15 years and it’s pretty much exclusively been range brass in 9mm and .45 that it’s digested and at a very conservative count of let’s say 500-1000 rounds a month it’s a lot more than I could have ever imagined. I’ve also always had separate tool heads for each caliber so I didn’t have to do much tweaking to swap over.
I’ve found handgun reloads to be very forgiving but now moving over to loading for rifle I stripped the beast down to the cylinder and greased everything Dillon recommends. Last night I poked around and found I brain farted and inverted the seating insert (?) from RN to FN. I wouldn’t have thought that would have changed my OAL but I guess I was wrong. Well now my OAL over ten rounds is just 1.124 to 1.128 which I’m more than happy with. I also tossed one of my scales aside and I’m pretty much spot on at 4.3 grains so life is good! I did find the variation of range brass to be .738 to .749 not that I would think would change my finished round OAL. If things stay as they are I’ll be pleased.
The only issue still pending is the crimp or lack of. The bullet could be spun in the case and it wasn’t taking much force to push the bullet into the case with my thumb. I kept tightening the “crimp” but the problem got worse!! It was only when I backed off a bit that things snugged up but I wouldn’t claim to know why.
Youse guys have been VERY helpful and I really appreciate the help. This thread has been instrumental in resolving a couple of problems!
 
Beam scales, very high precision and consistency. Waiting for the beam to settle is like watching grass grow in a drought. High tech automated dispensers, slightly less consistency but hammers out powder drops very quickly . Choose your priority that suits your needs.
 
For 15 years the 550 has only been loading .45 and 9mm only and with a complete tool head for both I really had to do very little tweaking to adjust for new bullet weights and powder changes. I guess I had gotten to the point where I knew what my favorite recipes were and I pretty much always had the components to build them.
The current Pandora’s box I opened was because I wanted to do as deep of a clean and grease as possible right to the main shaft and dies. Getting the dies to where I wanted them to be meant I was chasing everything PRIMARILY because I didn’t follow Dillon’s die installation instructions as I should have.
I now believe I caused everyone of my problems because I didn’t take the time to do its properly so I was chasing adjustments everywhere. I should have just slowed down I’m afraid.
Thanks a lot and I’m open to any criticism that I’m due. Duh!
 
An interesting discussion, on which volumes could be written. The problem is that, after writing volumes, you are not going to solve the debate.

Let us start by defining two terms. “Precision” is, essentially, how many decimal places the scale purports to resolve. (Technically, precision is how small a difference in two masses the scale can detect.) “Accuracy” is how correctly a scale reports a given mass.

Now let us take a very quick look at how scales work. There are basically three designs. A spring scale uses a spring that supposedly will either compress or stretch when a weight is applied to it. Think of the typical bathroom scale. For a bunch of reasons, spring scales are the least accurate and least precise and have no use in reloading. A balance beam scale essentially uses a gradient pointing to the end of a beam to see how two different masses balance tilt the beam off perfectly horizontal. Balance beam scales can be made reasonably accurate by careful use and maintenance, but the readability of the gradient makes precision even at 0.1 grain hard to detect. The modern digital scales use a piezo semi-conductor under the pan, where the semi-conductor changes electrical resistance, effectively converting mass to voltage, which through software is then converted to units of mass. Here is where spending matters: lab grade piezo scales, properly used and maintained – and isolated from outside radio frequency induce inductive voltages – can achieve lab grade accuracy and precision.

For what it is worth, I have a bunch of different scales. One is an older RCBS balance beam that is remarkably consistent, precise to within a couple of tenths of a grain, and accurate to the limits of its precision. I also have a couple of the cheap under $100 digitals. Surprisingly, if used correctly (i.e., run on batteries, not plug in chargers or power supplies, and not proximate to fluorescent lights or inexpensive LED lights), the accuracy and precision of the cheapo digitals equals that of my trusty (and trusted) RCBS balance beam.

Where the cheapos shine is where one is trying to work in bulk measurements, such as sorting brass or slugs for mass. I have no hesitation in using them for that purpose. And since there may be a number of trials and errors setting my powder measure, I will use one of the cheapo to approach the right setting on the powder measure a bit more quickly, though I always confirm the result with my RCBS balance beam.

Bottom line: you can have a lot of fun playing around with different scales, but wasting too much time or money chasing more accuracy and precision than is needed for typical reloading is, yes, a waste of time.
 
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