17-year-old arrested in killing of 2 people in Kenosha

[jkelly1229]

I think they only gave him a ticket for running the red light. I’m still skeptical about this being msnbc, but, I have a hard time believing people can really be that stupid. The defense team should be up that judge’s a** right now yanking a mistrial out and leaving the prejudice in his gullet to fester.

Bro I've watch every episode of JAG, suits, bull and law and order plus almost every ncis and castle

You think I dont know the law? /sarc

Thats the mindset of people

Remember about 2 years after csi came out prosecutors were f***ing pissed at peoples unrealistic expectations for proving a case

 

[MagGus1820]

Do people really think some loser from MSNBC following the jury bus but achieving nothing and the jury not even seeing it rises to the level of a mistrial? That’s just bias.

I think we are at the many puffs of smoke phase. At some point its a damn fire.

 

[G4Y4HK]

#1 It is now known as Friday of color. #2 This shows how much smarter Biden is than Trump, nothing on the shelves to loot so no looting.

People willing to stand hours sometimes over a day in line just to save a couple hundred bucks I will never understand. Yeah some people's life goal is to flip and scalp for profit but when they put a 1-limit on PS5s and Xboxes, how much can you really make for the time you waste?

 

[jkelly1229]

Ahh - not to go off topic, but much more evidence for OJs son than OJ. The navy style watch cap with dog hair - OJ didn’t have a dog, his kid did. His kid had a violent criminal history and no Alibi

And his kid was flown out of the country for like 4 years after


Although oj was a domestic abusing piece of shit who did hold people at gunpoint in a hotel for a bit there

 

[timbo]

This short interaction right here between a parent and child, to me, is a huge factor that’s missing these days. Too many kids are treated as the parents friends and that just can’t be. Parents are like platoon Sgt’s. Like it or not they have a hard job to do and it has to include obedience and the fear of getting whooped upside the head if they refuse.

I raise my coffee cup in your general direction. Well done Dad.

here, here!

 

[cams]

It's really weird, but I can't find any word of this or any of the people on MSNBC's web site, even with their own search function.



I don't know what to make of this

These agencies use off book street ‘journalists’ that don’t have to follow any type of restrictions or journalistic codes (hard to say that with a straight face) just like the alphabet agencies use off book street criminals to do some of their dirty work. Plausible deniability on one side and $$ and a chance of finally making it big for the other.

Except this retard sang like a bird without even needing any car batteries, sponges and jumper cables.

 

[TJ4]

Bro I've watch every episode of JAG, suits, bull and law and order plus almost every ncis and castle

You think I dont know the law? /sarc

Thats the mindset of people

Remember about 2 years after csi came out prosecutors were f***ing pissed at peoples unrealistic expectations for proving a case

I think they called it the “csi effect.” Jurors we’re expecting dna and super enhanced video taken off the reflection of a car’s paint job showing the crime as it happened At every crime scene.

 

[Dennis in MA]

This was a waste of time, and was just a virtue signal. Same as when he caught someone IN his court room filming the jury. The damage has already been done. And there have been no consequences. I continue to be disgusted by this judge, but more directly at the defense for not vehemently fighting for Kyle. I hope he gets effective counsel for his appeal.

Explain this to me. I'm not being sarcastic. How a third party attempting to film the jury leads to a mistrial or prosecutorial misconduct. What consequences are to be given out and to whom? (Please please please don't come up with a "oh the prosecution and the MSM are in cahoots and everyone knows it.")

Seriously - I'm concerned I'm missing something, legally.

Remember, OJ walked when EVERYONE KNEW he did it. Jury didn't want their neighborhoods torched again like after the Rodney King riots a few years earlier. Jurors for this case probably considering their own families and livelihoods too. If a mob gets big and violent enough, it works. Just ask the Russian Czars.

You misremember. Ito was a moron. He had nothing to offer. Remember Jay Leno had the Dancing Ito's bit every week??? He was a joke. He allowed the defense to run roughshod over the evidence on a regular basis. The jury didn't see what we saw. They saw what the defense successfully allowed into the courtroom.

On top of that, Gil Garcetti should have tried the case himself. IIRC, he was in some skiing accident and broke his leg or something. So Marcia Clark stepped in with Darell Darden. . . CHRIS!!! Chris Darden. Damn. I haven't thought of these names in a long time. Both were overwhelmed by the defense. Allowing the gloves to be put on WITH RUBBER GLOVES UNDERNEATH was the biggest mistake they made. As if there would be some tainting of evidence if he didn't have gloves on that late in the trial. (It was also a stupid move in the first place. Fit - who cares. Don't fit - whoops!)

The biggest mistake the judge made was allowing OJ to mouth, "They don't fit. They don't fit." several times while trying on the gloves to hte jury. Sorry. I'd have forced him to suffer a cross at that point. "Mr. Simpson, you have chosen to address the court and jury. You opened this door. You stacked the deck in your own favor. And you knew that talking was wrong. I'm going to allow Ms. Clark to cross-examine you after your lawyers decide if you should continue your testimony first."

It was a cluster. There was nothing you could do but find him NG as a juror. As a human outside of the court? Guilty as hell. Juror? The prosecution failed to prove their case. Period.

 

[Nick Fury]

I'm a very firm believer in "Believe nothing of what you hear and only half of what you see".

Great saying. Remain sceptical. Of everything. In Missouri is it?

I donated to your campaign by the way… Not that that means anything to this thread.

 

[Dennis in MA]

I think they called it the “csi effect.” Jurors we’re expecting dna and super enhanced video taken off the reflection of a car’s paint job showing the crime as it happened At every crime scene.

It's also why people just get out of their cars at an accident. It's a finder bender. Take a picture or three and GTF off of the road! Griss and his team are NOT coming.

 

[not new guy]

MSNBC admitted it was them. Incredible.

In a statement, MSNBC said: "Last night, a freelancer received a traffic citation. While the traffic violation took place near the jury van, the freelancer never contacted or intended to contact the jurors during deliberations, and never photographed or intended to photograph them," adding "We regret the incident and will fully cooperate with the authorities on any investigation."

"We regret the incident and will fully cooperate with the authorities on any investigation," NBC adds (2/2) https://t.co/7LNnDbQErb
— Brian Stelter (@brianstelter) November 18, 2021

 

[bfm]

It's also why people just get out of their cars at an accident. It's a finder bender. Take a picture or three and GTF off of the road! Griss and his team are NOT coming.

Depends on where you are. In Tennessee, even for a relatively minor accident, you are not supposed to move the cars until police arrive. Which closes down a lot of road ways. I would listen to the traffic every morning to find which main streets down town were closed so I could plan a route around them when I worked in Nashville in the 90s.

 

[cams]

MSNBC admitted it was them. Incredible.

Exactly. So he was offered something off the books but got caught. She denies ever asking him to do this and he is left out to dry.

 

[TJ4]

MSNBC admitted it was them. Incredible.

I can’t wait to hear the “freelancers” side of the story because he allegedly told the police he was going to contact them about setting up interviews after the trial At the direction of his supervisor.

 

[timbo]

Great saying. Remain sceptical. Of everything. In Missouri is it?

I donated to your campaign by the way… Not that that means anything to this thread.

Yes and thanks for the donation. I am now in Missouri and after I get my feet wet here, I may look at local politics in the future. They run things a lot differently here than in NH...not necessarily better or worse, just different.

 

[TJ4]

Explain this to me. I'm not being sarcastic. How a third party attempting to film the jury leads to a mistrial or prosecutorial misconduct. What consequences are to be given out and to whom? (Please please please don't come up with a "oh the prosecution and the MSM are in cahoots and everyone knows it.")

Seriously - I'm concerned I'm missing something, legally.



You misremember. Ito was a moron. He had nothing to offer. Remember Jay Leno had the Dancing Ito's bit every week??? He was a joke. He allowed the defense to run roughshod over the evidence on a regular basis. The jury didn't see what we saw. They saw what the defense successfully allowed into the courtroom.

On top of that, Gil Garcetti should have tried the case himself. IIRC, he was in some skiing accident and broke his leg or something. So Marcia Clark stepped in with Darell Darden. . . CHRIS!!! Chris Darden. Damn. I haven't thought of these names in a long time. Both were overwhelmed by the defense. Allowing the gloves to be put on WITH RUBBER GLOVES UNDERNEATH was the biggest mistake they made. As if there would be some tainting of evidence if he didn't have gloves on that late in the trial. (It was also a stupid move in the first place. Fit - who cares. Don't fit - whoops!)

The biggest mistake the judge made was allowing OJ to mouth, "They don't fit. They don't fit." several times while trying on the gloves to hte jury. Sorry. I'd have forced him to suffer a cross at that point. "Mr. Simpson, you have chosen to address the court and jury. You opened this door. You stacked the deck in your own favor. And you knew that talking was wrong. I'm going to allow Ms. Clark to cross-examine you after your lawyers decide if you should continue your testimony first."

It was a cluster. There was nothing you could do but find him NG as a juror. As a human outside of the court? Guilty as hell. Juror? The prosecution failed to prove their case. Period.

I suppose you could make a case for jury intimidation if you are attempting to contact or film the jury, which I imagine is a crime in every state. they were apparently trying to get the scoop on setting up post-trial interviews with this boneheaded move. To a jury that already expressed concern for their safety if their identity got out, there could be a strong case for the intimidation factor. There are some trial attorneys on here who would have a better knowledge than I do of the law regarding that

 

[wilson911]

Explain this to me. I'm not being sarcastic. How a third party attempting to film the jury leads to a mistrial or prosecutorial misconduct. What consequences are to be given out and to whom? (Please please please don't come up with a "oh the prosecution and the MSM are in cahoots and everyone knows it.")

Seriously - I'm concerned I'm missing something, legally.

Has nothing to do with the prosecutorial misconduct. Jury tampering and juror threatening is (or should be) so protected by the judge, that even the specter of it should be an immediate mistrial. How can you guarantee the juror's safety if you have people ignoring the judges orders (twice so far).

To be clear, I do not believe it has anything to do with coordination with the prosecution and the media. But it must be taken much more seriously than it has been.

As for consequences, there are statutes for witness intimidation and jury tampering. They should use those to start. But definitely, you need to start by seating a new jury (mistrial).

 

[not new guy]

And who would put it past MSNBC to leak their identities?

 

[Stape]

I would like - very, very much - to think you're right. I have a BAAAAD feeling - especially knowing how Midwesterners are - you're not. They're FUNNY, FUNNY nonconfrontational. They tend to fold, quickly, when confronted.

Lol, spend a lot of time in the midwest?

 

[Baby Billy]

And his kid was flown out of the country for like 4 years after


Although oj was a domestic abusing piece of shit who did hold people at gunpoint in a hotel for a bit there

He was just trying to get his stuff back!

 

[sieveboy]

Lol, spend a lot of time in the midwest?

I’ve found they are very pleasant and will say things to avoid confrontation, then go off and do whatever the f*** they were planning with a steely, unwavering resolve.

 

[Cipher]

View: https://mobile.twitter.com/russiancosmist/status/1461364698591289344

 

[timbo]

I would like - very, very much - to think you're right. I have a BAAAAD feeling - especially knowing how Midwesterners are - you're not. They're FUNNY, FUNNY nonconfrontational. They tend to fold, quickly, when confronted.

Definitely NOT the ones I've met out here. They might be "nice" to your face, but I wouldn't want to cross a one of them. They have "different" ways of confronting out here, from what I've heard.

 

[GM-GUY]

Part of my kit is a brass catcher

 

[Boghog1]

Part of my kit is a brass catcher

I'm beginning to think that is a smart idea

 

[namedpipes]

MSNBC admitted it was them. Incredible.

"Last night, a freelancer received a traffic citation. While the traffic violation took place near the jury van, the freelancer never contacted or intended to contact the jurors during deliberations, and never photographed or intended to photograph them,"

I can’t wait to hear the “freelancers” side of the story because he allegedly told the police he was going to contact them about setting up interviews after the trial At the direction of his supervisor.

Somebody lied

I'm guessing whoever sent the press release from MSNBC

 

[HARRYM]

Definitely NOT the ones I've met out here. They might be "nice" to your face, but I wouldn't want to cross a one of them. They have "different" ways of confronting out here, from what I've heard.

 

[CWulf]

FFS reach a verdict already.... this is like waiting for the La Palma volcano to explode and super tsunami to happen...

 

[namedpipes]

FFS reach a verdict already.... this is like waiting for the La Palma volcano and super tsunami to happen...

Jury is trying to figure out how to get out of this mess without having their loved ones raped and murdered and their homes burned to the ground. Give them some time. They'll figure it out.

 

[Picton]

Somebody lied

I'm guessing whoever sent the press release from MSNBC

Well, if you read it carefully, the statements are not incompatible... depending on what "during deliberations" means. They might have meant "during lunch," but I think it's unlikely the jury's minders would have let a reporter talk to them at a restaurant.

I'm thinking the reporter would have staked out the bathroom in hopes one of the jurors might have come in. Sleazy, but not illegal... and not "threatening" or "intimidating" on its face.

It's part of a pattern, and that pattern disturbs me slightly, but not nearly enough for me to imagine this freelancer's conduct should lead to a mistrial. Mind you, there are PLENTY of other reasons for a mistrial already in my mind... Most of them start with "v" and end with "-ideo resolution."