17-year-old arrested in killing of 2 people in Kenosha

[HARRYM]

Well, if you read it carefully, the statements are not incompatible... depending on what "during deliberations" means. They might have meant "during lunch," but I think it's unlikely the jury's minders would have let a reporter talk to them at a restaurant.

I'm thinking the reporter would have staked out the bathroom in hopes one of the jurors might have come in. Sleazy, but not illegal... and not "threatening" or "intimidating" on its face.

It's part of a pattern, and that pattern disturbs me slightly, but not nearly enough for me to imagine this freelancer's conduct should lead to a mistrial. Mind you, there are PLENTY of other reasons for a mistrial already in my mind... Most of them start with "v" and end with "-ideo resolution."

 

[SpaceCritter]

Um, that's Newtown, Connecticut circa 1986, actually:

Murder of Helle Crafts - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[LittleCalm]

They might as well do the right thing, as they will get tarred and feathered either way. Sometimes, it takes knowing that you are screwed to just do the right thing.

 

[firestorm]

Where does your faith in this come from? Is it not possible that whatever happened might be misrepresented to the public?

NBC just released a statement that said this person does not work for them, that he is a freelance journalist that was stopped for a traffic violation. And that is has not relation to NBC or MSNBC. Maybe it is OK to keep a healthy dose of skepticism until we get real, validated facts, no?

Who are we going to get those facts from? Because sure as shit anything coming from NBC or MSNBC is a lie first last and always. They are in full coverup mode, deleting social media and putting out tweets about "Complying with investigations" that are also sure to be lies.

 

[HARRYM]

Um, that's Newtown, Connecticut circa 1986, actually:

Murder of Helle Crafts - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

FARGO

 

[tuna]

 

[drgrant]

Jury is trying to figure out how to get out of this mess without having their loved ones raped and murdered and their homes burned to the ground. Give them some time. They'll figure it out.

My bet is they're trying to un-coward 2 or 3 holdouts and 99% of time has been wasted on dealing with those people.

 

[SpaceCritter]

FARGO

No, I mean the use of a woodchipper generally for body disposal. The Helle Crafts case was rather infamous. Fargo wasn't made until ten years later.

 

[HARRYM]

No, I mean the use of a woodchipper generally for body disposal. The Helle Crafts case was rather infamous. Fargo wasn't made until ten years later.

got it

 

[namedpipes]

Well, if you read it carefully, the statements are not incompatible... depending on what "during deliberations" means. They might have meant "during lunch," but I think it's unlikely the jury's minders would have let a reporter talk to them at a restaurant.

I'm thinking the reporter would have staked out the bathroom in hopes one of the jurors might have come in. Sleazy, but not illegal... and not "threatening" or "intimidating" on its face.

It's part of a pattern, and that pattern disturbs me slightly, but not nearly enough for me to imagine this freelancer's conduct should lead to a mistrial. Mind you, there are PLENTY of other reasons for a mistrial already in my mind... Most of them start with "v" and end with "-ideo resolution."

It's somewhat like the old oxford comma conundrum.

Is it time eat, Grandma, or is it time to eat Grandma?

" ... he was going to contact them about setting up interviews after the trial ... "

The interviews were to take place after the trial, sure. But was he planning to set them up NOW, for LATER, or just finding out who he should contact after the trial is over.

Either way, it's an intimidation technique and both Mr Morrison and Ms Byon should be headed for jail.

 

[GaryO]

Um, that's Newtown, Connecticut circa 1986, actually:

Murder of Helle Crafts - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I still remember that case. I was in my early 20s and remember thinking how brutal do you have to be to cut someone up with a chainsaw and throwing it in a woodchipper.

 

[Baby Billy]

No, I mean the use of a woodchipper generally for body disposal. The Helle Crafts case was rather infamous. Fargo wasn't made until ten years later.

Fargo was based on true events. Maybe that's where they got it from

 

[Dr_Scholl]

FFS reach a verdict already.... this is like waiting for the La Palma volcano to explode and super tsunami to happen...

Beat me to it.

 

[GaryO]

Either way, it's an intimidation technique and both Mr Morrison and Ms Byon should be headed for jail.

We can only hope, but who would prosecute them, the all star team that is working this trial?

 

[Toast]

My bet is they're trying to un-coward 2 or 3 holdouts and 99% of time has been wasted on dealing with those people.

Nope. There's some Stick-up-the-nethers Karen on the jury (probably insisted on being foreman) who's insisting on a conviction on SOMETHING. The risk is that the jury will compromise on something just to get out of the room.

 

[TJ4]

Nope. There's some Stick-up-the-nethers Karen on the jury (probably insisted on being foreman) who's insisting on a conviction on SOMETHING. The risk is that the jury will compromise on something just to get out of the room.

Yep Barnes on the rekieta law YouTube channel just did an analysis of the forewoman’s note for questions, for what that’s worth, and basically said it’s a Karen who is used to getting her way in the way she worded things and she probably imposed herself as forewoman and is probably holding out to force others to her side. All speculation of course.

 

[drgrant]

Nope. There's some Stick-up-the-nethers Karen on the jury (probably insisted on being foreman) who's insisting on a conviction on SOMETHING. The risk is that the jury will compromise on something just to get out of the room.

Same difference, lol

 

[Picton]

Either way, it's an intimidation technique and both Mr Morrison and Ms Byon should be headed for jail.

Not if a judge disagrees.

A reporter "doing his job" is not, on the face of it, intimidating. You'd need to make an argument to support your view, and simply following a bus is not inherently threatening. Especially if the jurors were never even aware of it.

 

[mothybee]

Well, if you read it carefully, the statements are not incompatible... depending on what "during deliberations" means. They might have meant "during lunch," but I think it's unlikely the jury's minders would have let a reporter talk to them at a restaurant.

I'm thinking the reporter would have staked out the bathroom in hopes one of the jurors might have come in. Sleazy, but not illegal... and not "threatening" or "intimidating" on its face.

It's part of a pattern, and that pattern disturbs me slightly, but not nearly enough for me to imagine this freelancer's conduct should lead to a mistrial. Mind you, there are PLENTY of other reasons for a mistrial already in my mind... Most of them start with "v" and end with "-ideo resolution."

Other than that Mrs Lincoln, what did you think of the play?

 

[SpaceCritter]

Fargo was based on true events. Maybe that's where they got it from

Claims of factual basis[edit]​

The film opens with the following text:

This is a true story. The events depicted in this film took place in Minnesota in 1987. At the request of the survivors, the names have been changed. Out of respect for the dead, the rest has been told exactly as it occurred.

However, the closing credits bear the standard fictitious persons disclaimer used by works of fiction.[22] Regarding this apparent discrepancy, the Coen brothers claimed that they based their script on an actual criminal event, but wrote a fictional story around it. "We weren't interested in that kind of fidelity," said Joel Coen. "The basic events are the same as in the real case, but the characterizations are fully imagined ... If an audience believes that something's based on a real event, it gives you permission to do things they might otherwise not accept."[23]

The brothers have modified their explanation more than once. In 1996, Joel Coen told a reporter that—contrary to the opening graphic—the actual murders were not committed in Minnesota.[24][25] Many Minnesotans speculated that the story was inspired by T. Eugene Thompson, a St. Paul attorney who was convicted of hiring a man to murder his wife in 1963, near the Coens' hometown of St. Louis Park; but the Coens claimed that they had never heard of Thompson. After Thompson's death in 2015, Joel Coen changed the explanation again: "[The story was] completely made up. Or, as we like to say, the only thing true about it is that it's a story."[26]

The film's special edition DVD contains yet another account, that the film was inspired by the 1986 murder of Helle Crafts from Connecticut at the hands of her husband, Richard, who disposed of her body through a wood chipper.[27]

There is a long history of authors placing factual disclaimers at the beginning of fictional works; one of the earliest of these is the gothic novel The Castle of Otranto written by Horace Walpole in 1764.

 

[Asaltweapon]

I still remember that case. I was in my early 20s and remember thinking how PISSED OFF do you have to be to cut someone up with a chainsaw and throwing it in a woodchipper.

FIFY

 

[mothybee]

No, I mean the use of a woodchipper generally for body disposal. The Helle Crafts case was rather infamous. Fargo wasn't made until ten years later.

Fargo was a story, that was real. Did the citizens of Newtown demand the woodchipper should be sued out of existence?

 

[VetteGirlMA]

My bet is they're trying to un-coward 2 or 3 holdouts and 99% of time has been wasted on dealing with those people.

Interesting on Rekieta law they were dissecting the jury note about viewing the video and they characterized the juror who wrote (jury foreman) as a Karen. The note capitalized letter Ks and they said hand writing experts call that a sign of a condescending person.

 

[drgrant]

Interesting on Rekieta law they were dissecting the jury note about viewing the video and they characterized the juror who wrote (jury foreman) as a Karen. The note capitalized letter Ks and they said hand writing experts call that a sign of a condescending person.

Well, hopefully there's enough to throw for a mistrial that won't let Karen get away with it.

 

[TJ4]

Interesting on Rekieta law they were dissecting the jury note about viewing the video and they characterized the juror who wrote (jury foreman) as a Karen. The note capitalized letter Ks and they said hand writing experts call that a sign of a condescending person.

Yes, they discuss it at -1:34:15


View: https://youtu.be/Ids0kzPhl08

 

[ColdDayInHell]

Well, hopefully there's enough to throw for a mistrial that won't let Karen get away with it.

Yep. One can hope. Although my hope is at like 15% at best.

 

[Spanz]

 

[AHM]

this retard sang like a bird without even needing any car batteries, sponges and jumper cables.

Word is, back in the day the Gold Standard was rubber hoses.

GO BEARS!

I still remember that case. I was in my early 20s and remember thinking how brutal do you have to be to cut someone up with a chainsaw and throwing it in a woodchipper.

Not if a judge disagrees.

A reporter "doing his job" is not, on the face of it, intimidating. You'd need to make an argument to support your view, and simply following a bus is not inherently threatening. Especially if the jurors were never even aware of it.

Q:
Why do you think the jurors are all on a bus?

Does the courthouse lack Ample Free Parking for 18 jurors on the local Trial of the Century?

Or just maybe are they not merely protecting the jurors' identities
by not handing out their resumes to every scumbag stringer for the MSM,
but by actually making jurors carpool from a secret secure parking lot?

ETA: @Picton says down below that
the jurors were on the way to lunch.

So, I have no clue whether or not the jurors park near the courthouse.

 

[dingbat]

Interesting on Rekieta law they were dissecting the jury note about viewing the video and they characterized the juror who wrote (jury foreman) as a Karen. The note capitalized letter Ks and they said hand writing experts call that a sign of a condescending person.

I thought they said the random capital Ks were a sign of a confrontational person. Either way, the tone of the notes was definitely condescending and the purpose of note 5 seemed like someone was trying to get everyone to suck for the provoking narrative.

IIrc, they also talked about that juror being a woman who was possibly a pharmacist. If that’s true there’s a chance that someone like that may have had their fill of dealing with the shenanigans of drug abusing morons ,sees the rioters for who they are, and is trying to get some other juror(s) to agree to an acquittal.

 

[bigbravehog]

Jury is trying to figure out how to get out of this mess without having their loved ones raped and murdered and their homes burned to the ground. Give them some time. They'll figure it out.

Maybe buy themselves some AR-15s ?