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21 killed, 18 injured in shooting at elementary school in Uvalde, Texas

I have no idea on the specifics but here is the story where I first learned something about no duty to protect.

there was enough of it, yep. police reform is mostly in the same notion - to make a police a terror organization first, and get 'protection' out of the picture all together. no one protects no one in the police state.

most people here who were born in safe white suburbs have a very odd perception of what a modern urban police is, anyway. just saying.
 
No news there - those were Nigerian Christians being purified by Islam.
All they had to do was convert to Islam to avoid it so 100% their own fault - :mad:
i doubt those assailants there were too much concerned or binded by any organized religion concepts.
 
I’d give it a month of those parents living in hell until police start having problems.
i do not think so... it is, in there, more or less all like on a mexican territory, with the same attitude. do you see a lot of revolts in mexico against equally evil and corrupt cartels and government commandos? not so much.
so far it seems local police handles its own defence there very well. ICs house is watched, and everybody else seem to be taken care of as well.

look at those heroes - who can dare to do anything? they know well how to handle the crowd.
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I hate to keep bringing up the Floyd riots, but it was an eye opening sight because we saw police in riot gear out on the streets, yet nobody was stopping the looting and arson. It took me time to realize that the reason the cops were visible, but not doing anything wasn't to deter looting, arson, etc. but to keep the lawful business owners from pulling a rooftop Korean because had they all turned into Koreans the looting and arson would have been almost zero. So, the cops were out in gear ready to roll up on a business owner blasting away at rioters like he was Randy Weaver in a discount gunstore because once the citizenry realizes who the police really are and who they actually work for, that's when law and order break down across the country.

The reason why our side hasn't done any retaliation is solely because of the police. With Uvalde exposing the police and all that appears to be coming in the near future, I feel we're seeing the beginnings of the breakdown of law in the US and that's going to set the stage for civil war.
I forget which city it was, but there were guys geared up to protect a business, including guys on the roof. Later someone saw police snipers on another roof in the area covering their location. So they stood around and watched rioting and looting but set up on people trying to defend a business.
 
stood around and watched rioting and looting but set up on people trying to defend a business.
who is more dangerous - a socially relatable rioters who just want to share some wealth, or the organized domestic terrorists who are not cooperating with the wealth sharing program?

whom do you think police serves?
 
Again, where is this NES-phantom group of dads?

They're working during the school day. Or, if they're not, you're thinking they'd just hang out in front of the school, looking around, waiting endlessly for something that's almost certain never to happen? For eight hours a day?

I don't want to sound pessimistic, but I don't see it as a long-term solution. At all. Guarding things is inherently boring. You need to heavily incentivize guards if you expect them to do a good job, and I don't see that happening. Though I'm aware that sounds pessimistic.
If my kids school actually wanted something like this I would do it. But good luck with that. They don’t even fly the American flag in front of schools anymore. I drove by a school in Danvers (HS or Middle) and Old Glory was down and the LGBTQ was flying High and proud, no pun intended.

Luv how they get a month and Veterans and Minorities only get a day…
 
I have no idea on the specifics but here is the story where I first learned something about no duty to protect.

You’re right that it is more broad than I was thinking. Whatever “duty” they might have is not derived from the Constitution. The Police are Not Required to Protect You — Barnes Law
 
You’re right that it is more broad than I was thinking. Whatever “duty” they might have is not derived from the Constitution. The Police are Not Required to Protect You — Barnes Law
to switch out of my normal sarcastic 'i hate pigs' mode - police has one only duty - to protect the civil order.

if you remove police force entirely with no substitute given of how that civil order is supposed to be maintained - you will end up with a martial law and military rolling in with machine guns to enforce it. so it has to be some reasonable middle ground, and it used to exist with a concept of local accountability of police chiefs to local legislators - city councils, electorate - but, with all the stupid bullshit these days and radicalization of the elected few - you just get from them what we all get from a society as a whole.

texas situation just took chicago situation to an extreme, that is why it is so shocking, but, is it new at all? not at all.
 
Exactly. I don't see in any universe a situation where the cops on scene walk away cleanly. If the cops are going to do nothing then step aside, go back to your HQ, drink some coffee and donuts and let regular people do the jobs you get paid to do.

The crazy part is that pages and pages back in this post are pictures of the same cops doing active shooter training in a school. Yet when the time came what the hell happened?
News Flash, story on Fox says sexual assault unit in Seattle is so undermanned they've stopped investigating sex crimes. Open season on women in Seattle, elections have consequences.
 
If my kids school actually wanted something like this I would do it. But good luck with that. They don’t even fly the American flag in front of schools anymore. I drove by a school in Danvers (HS or Middle) and Old Glory was down and the LGBTQ was flying High and proud, no pun intended.

Luv how they get a month and Veterans and Minorities only get a day…
Me too, my oldest grandson starts kindergarten in the fall and my daughter went to intro last week. The school system trains on the ALICE system for active shooter.
 
If my kids school actually wanted something like this I would do it. But good luck with that. They don’t even fly the American flag in front of schools anymore. I drove by a school in Danvers (HS or Middle) and Old Glory was down and the LGBTQ was flying High and proud, no pun intended.

Luv how they get a month and Veterans and Minorities only get a day…
Yup, disgusting! So you get a special month for sodomy? There needs to be a reckoning with this shit. I read an article today that a bunch of TB Rays baseball players refused to wear a gay pride patch on their uniforms, good for them.
 
News Flash, story on Fox says sexual assault unit in Seattle is so undermanned they've stopped investigating sex crimes. Open season on women in Seattle, elections have consequences.
Go to the gun store and pick up a pistol and some pepper spray and learn to use it. The left has declared it the law of the jungle.
 
Go to the gun store and pick up a pistol and some pepper spray and learn to use it. The left has declared it the law of the jungle.
Seattle sheeple aren't that smart and they get what they deserve. Knowing that city's recent hands off policy to crime if a woman shot a rapist she would probably get prosecuted for violating the attackers civil rights. My son-in-law is from the Seattle area and flew with my 5 yrs old grandson home last week. Luckily they only landed in Seattle and headed to his parents house in the burbs. They made it back Saturday.
 
Exactly. I don't see in any universe a situation where the cops on scene walk away cleanly. If the cops are going to do nothing then step aside, go back to your HQ, drink some coffee and donuts and let regular people do the jobs you get paid to do.

The crazy part is that pages and pages back in this post are pictures of the same cops doing active shooter training in a school. Yet when the time came what the hell happened?
It's a small town, it will get sorted out one way or another.
If any of them think this will get broomed and forgotten they are nuts.
 
My Daughter is always telling me that most days police drop off people at her hospital who are struggling with mental health or have threatened to harm themselves. The hospital isn't the right place for them but the police don't know what else to do with them.
There literally is nothing else to do. Our SOP was the same thing. Bring them to the ER for evaluation. At least hospitals have a mental health crisis person.

Police can’t lock someone up in a cell against their will because they are thinking about hurting themselves or someone else. It’s not a crime to think bad thoughts. Unless you are thinking bad thoughts about democrats of course.
 


A blue banner displaying the U.S. Department of Homeland Security seal with the text National Terrorism Advisory System - Bulletin - www.dhs.gov/advisories

Date Issued: June 07, 2022 09:00 am ET
View as PDF: National Terrorism Advisory System Bulletin - June 07, 2022 09:00 am (pdf, 1 page, 295.54 KB)

Summary of Terrorism Threat to the United States​


The United States remains in a heightened threat environment, as noted in the previous Bulletin, and several recent attacks have highlighted the dynamic and complex nature of the threat environment. In the coming months, we expect the threat environment to become more dynamic as several high-profile events could be exploited to justify acts of violence against a range of possible targets. These targets could include public gatherings, faith-based institutions, schools, racial and religious minorities, government facilities and personnel, U.S. critical infrastructure, the media, and perceived ideological opponents. Threat actors have recently mobilized to violence due to factors such as personal grievances, reactions to current events, and adherence to violent extremist ideologies, including racially or ethnically motivated or anti-government/anti-authority violent extremism. Foreign adversaries—including terrorist organizations and nation state adversaries—also remain intent on exploiting the threat environment to promote or inspire violence, sow discord, or undermine U.S. democratic institutions. We continue to assess that the primary threat of mass casualty violence in the United States stems from lone offenders and small groups motivated by a range of ideological beliefs and/or personal grievances.

Duration​

Issued: June 07, 2022 09:00 am
Expires: November 30, 2022 02:00 pm

Additional Information​

Key aspects of the evolving threat environment include:

Several recent violent attacks by lone offenders against minority communities, schools, houses of worship, and mass transit have demonstrated the dynamic and complex nature of the threat environment facing the United States:​

  • Individuals in online forums that routinely promulgate domestic violent extremist and conspiracy theory-related content have praised the May 2022 mass shooting at an elementary school in Uvalde, Texas and encouraged copycat attacks. Others have seized on the event to attempt to spread disinformation and incite grievances, including claims it was a government-staged event meant to advance gun control measures.
  • The suspect in the grocery store attack in Buffalo, New York in May 2022 claimed he was motivated by racist, anti-Black, and anti-Semitic conspiracy theories, often referred to as the “great replacement” or “white genocide.” These theories claim that minorities, multiculturalists, and a ruling elite are deliberately threatening the existence of the white race. The alleged 2019 attacker at a Walmart in El Paso, Texas cited similar grievances and inspiration for the attack, and both the Buffalo and El Paso attackers indicated they were inspired by the 2019 attacker of two mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand.
  • A violent attack in May 2022 in Laguna Woods, California targeted congregants of a church that serves the Taiwanese community. The attack killed one individual and wounded five others. According to the lead investigative agency, the suspect also placed Molotov cocktail-like devices around the church and secured the doors with chains and super glue.
  • In April 2022, an individual wearing a gas mask threw two smoke canisters and opened fire on a New York City subway during morning rush hour, resulting in injuries to dozens of individuals. Following the shooting, a number of pro-al-Qa‘ida and ISIS users celebrated the attack, which remains under investigation.

The continued proliferation of false or misleading narratives regarding current events could reinforce existing personal grievances or ideologies, and in combination with other factors, could inspire individuals to mobilize to violence.​

  • Some domestic violent extremists have expressed grievances related to their perception that the U.S. government is unwilling or unable to secure the U.S.-Mexico border and have called for violence to stem the flow of undocumented migrants to the United States. We assess that there is increased risk of domestic violent extremists using changes in border security-related policies and/or enforcement mechanisms to justify violence against individuals, such as minorities and law enforcement officials involved in the enforcement of border security.
  • Given a high-profile U.S. Supreme Court case about abortion rights, individuals who advocate both for and against abortion have, on public forums, encouraged violence, including against government, religious, and reproductive healthcare personnel and facilities, as well as those with opposing ideologies.
  • As the United States enters mid-term election season this year, we assess that calls for violence by domestic violent extremists directed at democratic institutions, political candidates, party offices, election events, and election workers will likely increase.

Foreign adversaries remain intent on exploiting the dynamic threat environment to sow discord, undermine U.S. democratic institutions, and promote or inspire violence by their supporters.​

  • Following the January 2022 hostage situation at a synagogue in Colleyville, Texas, ISIS and al-Qa'ida supporters released statements celebrating the hostage taker for bringing attention to the issue of a federally convicted female al-Qa'ida supporter and suggested the event could serve as inspiration for future attackers. Foreign terrorist organizations will likely continue to use online platforms to attempt to inspire U.S.-based individuals to engage in violent activity.
  • In April 2022, ISIS released an audio message announcing a new global campaign of attacks to “avenge” the deaths of the group’s deceased leader and spokesman. The message called on ISIS supporters to carry out knife and vehicle ramming attacks in the United States and Europe.
  • The pro-al-Qa'ida Malahem Cyber Army released the third issue of its “Wolves of Manhattan” magazine in April 2022, which focused on the ongoing conflict in Ukraine. The magazine encouraged supporters to travel to Ukraine to acquire training and weapons to use in attacks against the West.
  • Chinese, Iranian, Russian, and other foreign malign influence actors have sought to contribute to U.S. internal discord and weaken its focus and position internationally. These actors have amplified narratives that radicalized individuals have cited to justify violence, including conspiracy theories and false or misleading narratives promoting U.S. societal division. In recent months, Russia and other actors have also amplified conspiracy theories alleging U.S. responsibility for the Russia-Ukraine crisis and claiming U.S. support for bio-weapons labs abroad. Some of these actors have used these conspiracy theories to justify calls for violence against U.S. officials and institutions.
  • As the U.S. 2022 mid-term elections approach, malign foreign actors could bolster their messaging to sow discord and influence U.S. audiences in keeping with practices during previous election cycles
 


A blue banner displaying the U.S. Department of Homeland Security seal with the text National Terrorism Advisory System - Bulletin - www.dhs.gov/advisories

Date Issued: June 07, 2022 09:00 am ET
View as PDF: National Terrorism Advisory System Bulletin - June 07, 2022 09:00 am (pdf, 1 page, 295.54 KB)

Summary of Terrorism Threat to the United States​


The United States remains in a heightened threat environment, as noted in the previous Bulletin, and several recent attacks have highlighted the dynamic and complex nature of the threat environment. In the coming months, we expect the threat environment to become more dynamic as several high-profile events could be exploited to justify acts of violence against a range of possible targets. These targets could include public gatherings, faith-based institutions, schools, racial and religious minorities, government facilities and personnel, U.S. critical infrastructure, the media, and perceived ideological opponents. Threat actors have recently mobilized to violence due to factors such as personal grievances, reactions to current events, and adherence to violent extremist ideologies, including racially or ethnically motivated or anti-government/anti-authority violent extremism. Foreign adversaries—including terrorist organizations and nation state adversaries—also remain intent on exploiting the threat environment to promote or inspire violence, sow discord, or undermine U.S. democratic institutions. We continue to assess that the primary threat of mass casualty violence in the United States stems from lone offenders and small groups motivated by a range of ideological beliefs and/or personal grievances.

Duration​

Issued: June 07, 2022 09:00 am
Expires: November 30, 2022 02:00 pm

Additional Information​

Key aspects of the evolving threat environment include:

Several recent violent attacks by lone offenders against minority communities, schools, houses of worship, and mass transit have demonstrated the dynamic and complex nature of the threat environment facing the United States:​

  • Individuals in online forums that routinely promulgate domestic violent extremist and conspiracy theory-related content have praised the May 2022 mass shooting at an elementary school in Uvalde, Texas and encouraged copycat attacks. Others have seized on the event to attempt to spread disinformation and incite grievances, including claims it was a government-staged event meant to advance gun control measures.
  • The suspect in the grocery store attack in Buffalo, New York in May 2022 claimed he was motivated by racist, anti-Black, and anti-Semitic conspiracy theories, often referred to as the “great replacement” or “white genocide.” These theories claim that minorities, multiculturalists, and a ruling elite are deliberately threatening the existence of the white race. The alleged 2019 attacker at a Walmart in El Paso, Texas cited similar grievances and inspiration for the attack, and both the Buffalo and El Paso attackers indicated they were inspired by the 2019 attacker of two mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand.
  • A violent attack in May 2022 in Laguna Woods, California targeted congregants of a church that serves the Taiwanese community. The attack killed one individual and wounded five others. According to the lead investigative agency, the suspect also placed Molotov cocktail-like devices around the church and secured the doors with chains and super glue.
  • In April 2022, an individual wearing a gas mask threw two smoke canisters and opened fire on a New York City subway during morning rush hour, resulting in injuries to dozens of individuals. Following the shooting, a number of pro-al-Qa‘ida and ISIS users celebrated the attack, which remains under investigation.

The continued proliferation of false or misleading narratives regarding current events could reinforce existing personal grievances or ideologies, and in combination with other factors, could inspire individuals to mobilize to violence.​

  • Some domestic violent extremists have expressed grievances related to their perception that the U.S. government is unwilling or unable to secure the U.S.-Mexico border and have called for violence to stem the flow of undocumented migrants to the United States. We assess that there is increased risk of domestic violent extremists using changes in border security-related policies and/or enforcement mechanisms to justify violence against individuals, such as minorities and law enforcement officials involved in the enforcement of border security.
  • Given a high-profile U.S. Supreme Court case about abortion rights, individuals who advocate both for and against abortion have, on public forums, encouraged violence, including against government, religious, and reproductive healthcare personnel and facilities, as well as those with opposing ideologies.
  • As the United States enters mid-term election season this year, we assess that calls for violence by domestic violent extremists directed at democratic institutions, political candidates, party offices, election events, and election workers will likely increase.

Foreign adversaries remain intent on exploiting the dynamic threat environment to sow discord, undermine U.S. democratic institutions, and promote or inspire violence by their supporters.​

  • Following the January 2022 hostage situation at a synagogue in Colleyville, Texas, ISIS and al-Qa'ida supporters released statements celebrating the hostage taker for bringing attention to the issue of a federally convicted female al-Qa'ida supporter and suggested the event could serve as inspiration for future attackers. Foreign terrorist organizations will likely continue to use online platforms to attempt to inspire U.S.-based individuals to engage in violent activity.
  • In April 2022, ISIS released an audio message announcing a new global campaign of attacks to “avenge” the deaths of the group’s deceased leader and spokesman. The message called on ISIS supporters to carry out knife and vehicle ramming attacks in the United States and Europe.
  • The pro-al-Qa'ida Malahem Cyber Army released the third issue of its “Wolves of Manhattan” magazine in April 2022, which focused on the ongoing conflict in Ukraine. The magazine encouraged supporters to travel to Ukraine to acquire training and weapons to use in attacks against the West.
  • Chinese, Iranian, Russian, and other foreign malign influence actors have sought to contribute to U.S. internal discord and weaken its focus and position internationally. These actors have amplified narratives that radicalized individuals have cited to justify violence, including conspiracy theories and false or misleading narratives promoting U.S. societal division. In recent months, Russia and other actors have also amplified conspiracy theories alleging U.S. responsibility for the Russia-Ukraine crisis and claiming U.S. support for bio-weapons labs abroad. Some of these actors have used these conspiracy theories to justify calls for violence against U.S. officials and institutions.
  • As the U.S. 2022 mid-term elections approach, malign foreign actors could bolster their messaging to sow discord and influence U.S. audiences in keeping with practices during previous election cycles
TLDR: Be afraid, be very afraid.
 
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