slugworth
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The guy who did the YouTube video had the one with sound apparently.So there is video and audio where you can actually hear kids screaming? Send the link if you would.
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The guy who did the YouTube video had the one with sound apparently.So there is video and audio where you can actually hear kids screaming? Send the link if you would.
The SF guy?The guy who did the YouTube video had the one with sound apparently.
Yeah. He said he muted itThe SF guy?
If you're one of those 2 officers how do you not make it your mission in life to take out the other 394 idiots on scene who prevented you from doing everything in your power to save your family member...
Many if not most of the cops appear to not be White as well.Why? Were any of those kids who died African American? Then probably not. Plus I bet none of them were turning their lives around. So that's going against them getting any "justice" as well.
What those kids and their parents are going to get is more accurately called "Just Ass"
I don’t trust the media or law enforcement.If you're wondering why I don't trust the media down there, this is the same general area where the 'whipping' incident took place. No one was whipped, it was all made up to sell clicks. Guys are getting suspended for calling someone a bad name when they hid behind a woman to avoid apprehension.
I'm not convinced there wasn't a colossal screwup, but Jesus, some of you guys are so quick to jump on the MSM bandwagon when the narrative is something you 'want' to hear.
Think about what it would take mentality wise - to decide to go back into that room after just having been shot at. First off - if all the other guys around you are like "I'm not going in there" - you're gonna have to have enough intestinal fortitude to say "phuck you guys" and go off and do it yourself. Then apparently they're getting told somebody else is coming in to do it - so you back off thinking that SWAT has it or whatever - and they're better equipped so you wait . Problem is they don't show up - now you've been waiting - and you've put yourself mentally into "wait mode". When they don't show up after 1 minute, or two minutes or 5 - you've got to have that little man in your head BEATING on you saying "get your phucking asss in that room NOW".
I don't think a lot of people have that sense of time urgency. Even in the military - you don't find that very commonly - unless you're talking about special forces operators or troops have lived thru actual hard combat and seen people die because somebody hesitated. It also takes a person who has a large dose of phuck you guys circulating in their system. Do you think the average cop has that? I don't think so. Most of them are picked for their ability to follow orders and go along. I don't think hard core rebels last very long in the employ of law enforcement agencies.
I don't see that time urgency much in my own personal interactions with people. I have it most of the time, but that comes from having it drummed into my head at an early age, and after multiple life experiences where if I didn't do something like NOW - a really bad thing would have happened. And trying to get other people to get off their ass and move because you see a car headed your way that's about to jump the sidewalk and mow everybody down ....... good luck with that , about 60% of people in my experience would just respond with "wait - I need to respond to this text" before they even looked up.
Anyone defending these pukes should be shunned from society.
Warren v. District of Columbia. Decided in 1981. How naïve I was about the police until I read that.I think it's pretty interesting that shortly on the heels of - what was it 378? cops NOT doing anything to stop that school shooter from kiling all those people - along comes some 20 year old kid in a mall who was carrying - and shot down a guy who had just killed three people. From what I read - that 20 year old was ADVANCING on the guy - and we all know from the videos that the cops all turned tail and ran when they started getting shot at.
People out to be taking those two examples and ramming them home into the brains of people who just don't "get it".
And when some leftie scumbag brings up how the "police are here to protect you!!" - bring up those two examples and tell them to phuck off.......... and die.
That's what you have to do, right? I mean, not necessarily advance, but once you take control, keep it. Make him hide.that 20 year old was ADVANCING on the guy
That's what you have to do, right? I mean, not necessarily advance, but once you take control, keep it. Make him hide.
"THE BATTLEFIELD IS MINE! But now you can have it."
Hey, I think I found the Uvalde PD theme song!
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qndq4pYqgk8
Frank
Why is the NG the solution? Why can't the people police themselves? Why can't state law enforcement cover for a period? Why can't any number of other solutions be considered before bringing in the Guard?I am willing to bet a number of these coward shitbags went home after and were consoled by friends and family for having to see dead kids.
I am also willing to bet a number of these losers feel satisfied with themselves because they were “Following orders” and justify their lack of action on that alone.
The Chief and any other acting supervisors involved should be thrown in jail, while any of the responding officers on scene should be terminated.
Now let’s say for the sake of discussion this did happen and the entire police force was dismissed would you guys be ok with the National Guard policing that area until another force could be raised? That would take a long time. I’m well aware having the Military policing citizens is a taboo thought process, It’s a shitty situation with no easy answer on how to fix it.
Now let’s say for the sake of discussion this did happen and the entire police force was dismissed would you guys be ok with the National Guard policing that area until another force could be raised? That would take a long time. I’m well aware having the Military policing citizens is a taboo thought process, It’s a shitty situation with no easy answer on how to fix it.
I’m not saying it is. I’m just thinking what the immediate plan of action would be if they just dismissed the responding force and leadership which they should.Why is the NG the solution? Why can't the people police themselves? Why can't state law enforcement cover for a period? Why can't any number of other solutions be considered before bringing in the Guard?
Good point about other agencies but I know how it would play out “We are stretched thin as it is”Nope. Forget what I think about the Guard working as long-term municipal police: I bet most Guardsman think it's a bad idea.
My sense is that Texas has other LE capabilities they could use on an ad-hoc basis without calling up the National Guard. Specifically, there's a sheriff and he has deputies. There are Texas Rangers and Staties, which aren't the same, and I believe TX has a highway patrol as well.
He should be criminally chargedNews reported this morning that the Uvalde Board voted to fire the Chief.
They just need to imagine it was a building full of wife beating fentanyl overdosers that died.He should be criminally charged
Whatever Guardsmen think is irrelevant though, your a soldier and you do what your told yes?
Nope, and I’ve known more than enough of them at the jail to know that they are very capable of being the most incompetent idiots out there.LOL!
Not for nothing, but have you BEEN in the Guard? They're not robots, and they're not mindless. They're highly skilled at their MOS, since they occupy the slots for a long time. But they're VERY willing to speak up for themselves when they think their commanders are committing them to something dumb. Will they do it, in the end? Sure. Will they seek every possibility to do a half-assed job? Oh yes.
My operational deployment was spent "peacekeeping:" basically, doing law-enforcement and civil affairs. We were keenly aware that we weren't the best choice for that job. We did our best, but we weren't trained for it, and we were active-duty people policing non-Americans. We still felt unprepared. When crises did happen, we responded well because that's where we felt most comfortable, but the day-to-day grind? Nope.
I'd suggest that thinly-stretched staties are a far, far better option than bored, morale-challenged Guardsmen. Especially when you consider that the job is dealing with the public.
Nope, and I’ve known more than enough of them at the jail to know that they are very capable of being the most incompetent idiots out there.
Agreed on other Municipalities stepping in 100%
I wasn’t trying to get you excited, I was just talking hypothetically
It works the same way in LE, I was a sergeant and always got the vibe and input of my guys while running security, you earn respect that way as well as not asking someone to do something that you haven’t done yourself or at least willing to do.I'm not excited. I just think a lot of people who've never been in the army have the wrong idea about how it operates. In every unit I was in (Guard or active, combat arms or not, training and operational) there was ALWAYS an honest effort made by commanders to seek input from subordinates during planning and, more importantly, afterward. Civilians don't always understand just how freely lower enlisted can express themselves in a well-run unit while still preserving professionalism. The key is having good leaders.
This is the kind of thing that separates us from, say, the Russians. If you look at how Ukraine is going, you can see how well the "shut up and do what you're told" style of leadership works.
While collaboration, input, buy in, etc are all hallmarks of true leadership I never really saw that in my days. I might of been to low of a rank, or it might of not been going on. I'll never know.I'm not excited. I just think a lot of people who've never been in the army have the wrong idea about how it operates. In every unit I was in (Guard or active, combat arms or not, training and operational) there was ALWAYS an honest effort made by commanders to seek input from subordinates during planning and, more importantly, afterward. Civilians don't always understand just how freely lower enlisted can express themselves in a well-run unit while still preserving professionalism. The key is having good leaders.