A Trump Ally Is Training 75 Armed Citizens. Is That a Militia?

[jct61765]

Because they don’t live in red areas. And it’s not as convenient to riot where there are mostly trees and cows.

A lot of them travel to riot, that is a proven fact. Montgomery, Birmingham, mobile, enterprise and a few others are large cities. Maybe you didn’t realize there is a large black population here.

 

[jct61765]

So I ask you when the Antifa riots were going down what did you do?


I never said I wouldn't take up arms if my New Hampshire town was being invaded, but I didn't jump.in my car and drive to Seattle or Wisconsin to stomp Antifa in either. Neither did you so what is exactly your point?

As far as I know, it’s never happened here. Protesting peacefully is a protected right.

 

[v37v]

Yeah ok buddy, how do you think that would have worked out if we handled the Antifa/BLM riots the way it should have been dealt with?

Lots of dead commies, lots of jailtime.

 

[namedpipes]

I had googled the question and found a few pages claiming they're illegal in all 50 states until you get to their qualification of the claim. Here's an example:

https://www.law.georgetown.edu/icap...e-for-constitutional-advocacy-and-protection/

And then you have garbage like this:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...ramilitary-militia-extremists-but/6123774002/

It feels like a coordinated effort to make it seem like militias are simply illegal, but the laws really only kick in when they start undertaking police and .mil actions.

Any such law is blatantly unconstitutional and we're obliged to ignore them. Militias are no different from two guys hiking a mountain or a cub scout troop picking up crap from the side of the road. They're not any more illegal than the BBQ you probably had just over a week ago.

I have not fully read the article and cites, so there could be a big steaming turd further in:

During the colonial era, when there was no national army and few local police, militias were a central part of American life. Militias were groups of local men who organized themselves to defend their communities against threats—they suppressed slave rebellions and other local uprisings, fought for territory against Indians, and participated in the French and Indian War.
...
This was a citizen army of rural neighbors, in sharp contrast to the British Regulars, whose aristocratic officers commanded “the dregs of society,” desperate men plucked from [jails] and [pubs] and other grim haunts of the English poor. The Concord militia included nearly everyone between the ages of sixteen and sixty: gentlemen, yeomen, shopkeepers, artisans, laborers, and teen-age apprentices. Only two groups were exempt—the young scholars of Harvard College (who even then had student deferments) and the town’s dozen black slaves, whom the General Court, worried about possible rebellion, had denied the obligation to bear arms.

More here: https://shec.ashp.cuny.edu/items/show/1955#:~:text=Militias%20were%20groups%20of%20local,the%20French%20and%20Indian%20War.

Couple points to make here:

1) The "Militia" of America's Colonial Era was NOT organized "officially". They were your neighbors. And yet they not only DID things of a police / military nature, they were REQUIRED to do those things.

2) The context of second amendment suggests not a "right" to keep and bear arms but an "obligation" to keep and bear arms.

The modern reinterpretation to make it seem like militias are some magical half-step from The National Guard and have special, enumerated powers and skills is the desperate manipulation of the grubby gun grabbers.

 

[SHOCKNAWE]

As far as I know, it’s never happened here. Protesting peacefully is a protected right.

Let me get you up to speed here, ie explain to you what the post you quoted me on was all about

My initial post was maybe not the most defined and I should have spelt it out better

I said was I'm not following some head of militia to go fight battles he chose to want to fight in, @Uzi2 decided to get all patriotic and throw the old fight against all enemies foreign and domestic at me after I said I'm not going to police some government fueled riot outside of my neighborhood, basically saying I'm not a good citizen or patriot.

Then it turned into you guys thinking your teaching me something which is laughable by telling me about small towns bubbles and a bunch of good people defending a cemetery against shitbags which I would do the same thing in my area, then you tell me about how you work in a machine shop in Alabama I'm assuming carrying a sidearm at work? Fine, that's great that you live in that type of area, of course you probably need to drive an hour to your local Walmart to do your food shopping but you can carry at work so it's well worth it lol.

I support the same thoughts you guys do, my point was as I stated that I'm not following some yahoo to go fight riots several states away or do January 6 shit because my militia leader ordered me too.

If it comes to my neighborhood I'm locked and loaded as is my neighbors

 

[LakeTrout]

They don't live in blue areas either. They're imported to those areas to stir up trouble.
Paid leftist agitators. Without them there would be some skyscreamers and looters. So meh.

They don’t live in blue areas? Where do all of these raging leftist lunatics live if they’re not in red areas and they’re not in blue areas? I realize that boat loads of these people come out of the woods from other blue areas to riot in blue areas.

 

[LakeTrout]

Maybe you didn’t realize there is a large black population here.

Where do you mean by “here”?

 

[Token_Black_Guy]

Why do you not see blm/antifa pulling their shit in red areas? They will get smacked down. That song, try that in a small town, is 100% right. You ever see them in Mississippi or Alabama? I work in a small machine shop. Maybe 1/2 the people open carry, including me.

I would hope machinist had guns. It's kinda why I dipped my toes into machining

 

[1776]

If and when they DO perform such illegal acts, they will be dealt with.

Doesn't our governor perform illegal acts every night she goes home

 

[Uzi2]

Let me get you up to speed here, ie explain to you what the post you quoted me on was all about

My initial post was maybe not the most defined and I should have spelt it out better

I said was I'm not following some head of militia to go fight battles he chose to want to fight in, @Uzi2 decided to get all patriotic and throw the old fight against all enemies foreign and domestic at me after I said I'm not going to police some government fueled riot outside of my neighborhood, basically saying I'm not a good citizen or patriot.

Then it turned into you guys thinking your teaching me something which is laughable by telling me about small towns bubbles and a bunch of good people defending a cemetery against shitbags which I would do the same thing in my area, then you tell me about how you work in a machine shop in Alabama I'm assuming carrying a sidearm at work? Fine, that's great that you live in that type of area, of course you probably need to drive an hour to your local Walmart to do your food shopping but you can carry at work so it's well worth it lol.

I support the same thoughts you guys do, my point was as I stated that I'm not following some yahoo to go fight riots several states away or do January 6 shit because my militia leader ordered me too.

If it comes to my neighborhood I'm locked and loaded as is my neighbors

Let me clue you in on something here Holmes.

I lived on the south end of 495 and the nearest Walmart and Market Basket were just about an hour away in any of three directions depending on traffic.
Why you have to throw out such petty insinuations and criticisms about people and their surroundings in other parts of the country to try and bolster your bogus argument is ridiculous.

Nobody ever stated that they were travelling to parts unknown to enforce anything under anyone's leadership.....that is a complete and total fabrication and product of your own mind.

 

[SHOCKNAWE]

Let me clue you in on something here Holmes.

I lived on the south end of 495 and the nearest Walmart and Market Basket were just about an hour away in any of three directions depending on traffic.
Why you have to throw out such petty insinuations and criticisms about people and their surroundings in other parts of the country to try and bolster your bogus argument is ridiculous.

Nobody ever stated that they were travelling to parts unknown to enforce anything under anyone's leadership.....that is a complete and total fabrication and product of your own mind.

It's a direct response to your fabricated response to my post, I think you had it at #2?

The OP is about a militia leader that is in control of his group to respond to stuff that he decides basically, that's how I read it and responded. You got all fake patriotic and came after me.

You twisted my post or didn't understand it, either way you don't get what I was saying.

And talk about insinuating and criticizing people, you called me "Un American" not too long ago, you got a fresh mouth but of course it's easy to have one in the sticks of wherever the F'k you live clapping away on a keyboard

 

[Tartakovsky]

 

[paul73]

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i often wonder - after that picture went viral, how careers of those brave defenders of democracy evolved? would be rather interesting to know....

 

[jct61765]

I would hope machinist had guns. It's kinda why I dipped my toes into machining

Why would a machinist have a gun? That's a strange thing to say. We do a lot of work for the military.

 

[jct61765]

Where do you mean by “here”?

Alabama. Did you not look at my location? Its not like its hidden.

 

[jct61765]

Then it turned into you guys thinking your teaching me something which is laughable by telling me about small towns bubbles and a bunch of good people defending a cemetery against shitbags which I would do the same thing in my area, then you tell me about how you work in a machine shop in Alabama I'm assuming carrying a sidearm at work? Fine, that's great that you live in that type of area, of course you probably need to drive an hour to your local Walmart to do your food shopping but you can carry at work so it's well worth it lol.

I don't really care what you would do. I stated BLM/antifa don't do riots in deep red states. The Governor here, Miss Kay, will not put up with it. Because of my past and joining several shooting clubs here, I've gotten to know quite a few police and sheriffs. They're not going to put up with it. They won't be told to stand aside and let them do what they want. Believe it or not, there are more than a few racist people still living here. They don't care if they're called racist.

 

[LakeTrout]

Alabama. Did you not look at my location? Its not like its hidden.

No, I didn’t look. And I don’t understand the point you’re trying to make about black people living in Alabama and the cities that you listed.

 

[LakeTrout]

I don't really care what you would do. I stated BLM/antifa don't do riots in deep red states. The Governor here, Miss Kay, will not put up with it. Because of my past and joining several shooting clubs here, I've gotten to know quite a few police and sheriffs. They're not going to put up with it. They won't be told to stand aside and let them do what they want. Believe it or not, there are more than a few racist people still living here. They don't care if they're called racist.

They did riot in those states. They even rioted in the cities you listed above.

Birmingham declares state of emergency, curfew after riots

After an attempt to tear down a Confederate monument, fires, vandalism and gunfire broke out across downtown.

www.al.com

 

[SHOCKNAWE]

I don't really care what you would do. I stated BLM/antifa don't do riots in deep red states. The Governor here, Miss Kay, will not put up with it. Because of my past and joining several shooting clubs here, I've gotten to know quite a few police and sheriffs. They're not going to put up with it. They won't be told to stand aside and let them do what they want. Believe it or not, there are more than a few racist people still living here. They don't care if they're called racist.

And I dont really care that you open carry at work lol how about that?

I mean your telling me all about your town and what goes on there for whatever reason, it literally has nothing to do with my point and it doesn't represent what goes on in the entire state as @LakeTrout pointed out, so apparently your just babbling on?

 

[SpeedwayMike]

Is it illegal to form and train a militia, or is it only illegal when the militia starts carrying out military/police actions?

Markey has put forward a bill that is going to make it illegal in MA

 

[40 Creedmoor fan]

The second amendment protects the right of the citizens to form and outfit a militia with military arms.

Where does it say that? militia term was used in the preamble of the 2nd amendment and is not part of the actual statement of the right.

 

[Uzi2]

On the surface it sounds cool and all but when reality sets in and this "Leader" calls you up to arms are you willing to put your livelihood at stake ala Kyle Rittenhouse style?

It's not your responsibility to deal with rioting shitbags especially when it's a government charged event

The only group think I'm getting involved in is my neighbors and I are on the same page as far as defending our family's and homes during a major critical event that may or may not happen.

1. Yes

2. It most certainly is and doesn't matter who is doing it. If it is government, it is all the more your responsibility. "Against ALL enemies, foreign and domestic.

3. You do you, and others will do them.

It's a direct response to your fabricated response to my post, I think you had it at #2?

The OP is about a militia leader that is in control of his group to respond to stuff that he decides basically, that's how I read it and responded. You got all fake patriotic and came after me.

You twisted my post or didn't understand it, either way you don't get what I was saying.

And talk about insinuating and criticizing people, you called me "Un American" not too long ago, you got a fresh mouth but of course it's easy to have one in the sticks of wherever the F'k you live clapping away on a keyboard

Fake Patriotic?

Yeah ok buddy, how do you think that would have worked out if we handled the Antifa/BLM riots the way it should have been dealt with?

Did you take up arms and go do your part to quell the riots or just bitch about it online?

So the short version is yes you just bitched about it online.

I never said or even hinted that I was going to travel anywhere to quell any riots.

Do you even understand what a militia is, who they are comprise of, and what their responsibilities are?

 

[SHOCKNAWE]

Fake Patriotic?


I never said or even hinted that I was going to travel anywhere to quell any riots.

Do you even understand what a militia is, who they are comprise of, and what their responsibilities are?

Yes I know what a militia is.

Again I'm talking about the OP, and a Trump guy putting together 75 "deputies" to be activated whenever he chooses.

If said Trump guy decides to activate his deputies to go to a jan 6 event or to Birmingham Alabama or Kentucky to fight off an Antifa Riot then it's up to him, a militia has more of a clear and defined role as far as I'm concerned and not hinged on a fanatical follower of Trump.

I'm a Trump guy but there is zero chance I'm aligning myself with some of these psychotic Trumpers who believe he is a Messiah.

That's my bottom line and how I understood what the OP is talking about

 

[Uzi2]

Yes I know what a militia is.

Again I'm talking about the OP, and a Trump guy putting together 75 "deputies" to be activated whenever he chooses.

If said Trump guy decides to activate his deputies to go to a jan 6 event or to Birmingham Alabama or Kentucky to fight off an Antifa Riot then it's up to him, a militia has more of a clear and defined role as far as I'm concerned and not hinged on a fanatical follower of Trump.

I'm a Trump guy but there is zero chance I'm aligning myself with some of these psychotic Trumpers who believe he is a Messiah.

That's my bottom line and how I understood what the OP is talking about

Ah, so the truth comes out. You cannot help but conflate a simple situation into a Trump hate oration.

If Trump is elected and calls forth the militias of this country (which he has the full authority to do) to enforce the laws of this country, you're going to have a choice to make.

 

[SHOCKNAWE]

Ah, so the truth comes out. You cannot help but conflate a simple situation into a Trump hate oration.

If Trump calls forth the militias of this country (which he has the full authority to do) to enforce the laws of this country, you're going to have a choice to make.

I just said I'm a pro Trump guy, why are you spinning it in a retard direction or are you just looking for confrontation?

So if Trump loses the election and asks all Militias to storm the voting booths to collect the voting machines are you going to get involved?

 

[Uzi2]

I just said I'm a pro Trump guy, why are you spinning it in a retard direction or are you just looking for confrontation?

So if Trump loses the election and asks all Militias to storm the voting booths to collect the voting machines are you going to get involved?

Yup.

 

[SHOCKNAWE]

Yup.

Where were you Jan 6 then tough guy?

 

[Uzi2]

Where were you Jan 6 then tough guy?

Where were you? Stuffing or transporting false ballots for the democrats?

I already told you I'm not travelling anywhere. I won't/don't have to storm any local polling places because I live in one of the most republican states in the country.

 

[SHOCKNAWE]

Where were you? Stuffing or transporting false ballots for the democrats?

Now your just being a complete faggot

 

[Uzi2]

Now your just being a complete faggot

New Hampshire should deport you back to Massachusetts, you're a threat to the state's conservatives.