Active shooter at Maryland mall

Not confused, was in the thread title.

I'm not gonna go search through post for post because frankly I don't care, but I'm confident many who use the terms "sheep," "sheeple," "bleating," etc with regard to EVERYTHING have posts about getting their LTC, ban compliant guns, etc, etc, etc.

I know of one member here who ever posted (and he did so regularly) that he didn't register his shit, didn't abide by the AWB with regard to compliance or mags, and I don't recall him calling people sheep.

Some people COULD be categorized as "sheep" but 99% of the time it's thrown around it is misused anyway.

For instance... If I were unarmed and facing an active shooter, you bet your ass I'd lock myself and family down in the most secure area I could find until I could contact LE and get a better grasp on the situation... If that meant hunkering down until I could confirm LE had done their work so be it. I'm not trying to get shot in the face running around like a moron.

So to any NES members who care... here is something that makes gun owners look retarded: Calling everyone who doesn't agree with you a sheep or libtard, etc.

Mike


I'm not gonna go search through post for post because frankly I don't care,

Well I apologized for wording it wrong . And If you don't care F You
 
i dont remember the last shooting at a walmart other than on a black friday, the mall does nothing me, overpriced shit i could buy cheaper elsewhere, plus i am too slow to dodge bullets.
 
Are we seriously arguing over the use of a word? Seriously? That's where we've gotten to as gun owners? Some shit goes down, the antis start screaming about gun control, and we're over here circle jerking each other arguing over who uses what words where and how many times?

**** me.......we're screwed.......
 
why are the feds always involved in everything now?

sounds like some prick got butthurt and killed his co-workers. weak ass shit. **** that guy.

Because the local law enforcement is incompetent? Just guessing they handle their own issues and after all they need the production value when a shooter is involved.
How bad is it that the wouldn't check the corpse before they had bomb sniffing dogs and robots check to see if the lone gunman was rigged with explosive.[sad]
 
Here's some gems from out friends over at Gawker. [rolleyes]

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Pork chops.

we are all sheep till one steps up and terminates one of these mall-school shooters.


and then gets everyone to back him/her up at trial.
 
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Quote from CNN's coverage of the event:

"A large amount of ammunition was found near the body, leading investigators to suspect that he might be carrying explosives."

Lots of ammo = possible explosives?
 
Are we seriously arguing over the use of a word? Seriously? That's where we've gotten to as gun owners? Some shit goes down, the antis start screaming about gun control, and we're over here circle jerking each other arguing over who uses what words where and how many times?

**** me.......we're screwed.......

Its rediculous an alienates us. Just when we shut down when we hear gun nut...

And yes its ****in annoying.

Mike

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McMahon said that SWAT teams are currently going through the mall to find p̶e̶o̶p̶l̶e̶ sheep who had "sheltered in place" and escort them out.

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And if, God forbid, it had been me and/or my family cornered, trapped, and if close range under attack, I'd have pulled either my SW 442 from my pocket and 2 quick hollow pt. rounds center mass and a third head shot, or, if a few more seconds were available, pulled my Glock26 from my ankle and 5 or 6 well placed hollow pt. rounds... Both giving my wife time to pull HER G26, and if my oldest daughter is there also, she'd pull HER G27..Either way, or if he's armored and if we're gonna die, we're going down as rams not sheep.
I'm really surprised, "shocked", that nobody in Maryland engaged this fruitcake with their own weapons that they, as law abiding citizens, are allowed to carry and...oh, oops. you said Maryland and I thought you meant Arizona...
(Wife's cousin lives Arizona. Her and her girlfriend out for dinner the week before Christmas , and they were "victimized" in an attempted carjacking in parking lot by a knife wielding thug. Both pulled out their guns and ordered the scumbag pr*ck to the ground and held him til cops arrived TEN MINUTES LATER....Think maybe the Maryland Mall situation might have gone differently had they been out for a shopping trip that day?? Nah, more legislation would've made it go differently I'm sure.. )
 
And if, God forbid, it had been me and/or my family cornered, trapped, and if close range under attack, I'd have pulled either my SW 442 from my pocket and 2 quick hollow pt. rounds center mass and a third head shot, or, if a few more seconds were available, pulled my Glock26 from my ankle and 5 or 6 well placed hollow pt. rounds... Both giving my wife time to pull HER G26, and if my oldest daughter is there also, she'd pull HER G27..Either way, or if he's armored and if we're gonna die, we're going down as rams not sheep.
I'm really surprised, "shocked", that nobody in Maryland engaged this fruitcake with their own weapons that they, as law abiding citizens, are allowed to carry and...oh, oops. you said Maryland and I thought you meant Arizona...
(Wife's cousin lives Arizona. Her and her girlfriend out for dinner the week before Christmas , and they were "victimized" in an attempted carjacking in parking lot by a knife wielding thug. Both pulled out their guns and ordered the scumbag pr*ck to the ground and held him til cops arrived TEN MINUTES LATER....Think maybe the Maryland Mall situation might have gone differently had they been out for a shopping trip that day?? Nah, more legislation would've made it go differently I'm sure.. )

That's some good one handed typing
 
And if, God forbid, it had been me and/or my family cornered, trapped, and if close range under attack, I'd have pulled either my SW 442 from my pocket and 2 quick hollow pt. rounds center mass and a third head shot, or, if a few more seconds were available, pulled my Glock26 from my ankle and 5 or 6 well placed hollow pt. rounds... Both giving my wife time to pull HER G26, and if my oldest daughter is there also, she'd pull HER G27..Either way, or if he's armored and if we're gonna die, we're going down as rams not sheep.
I'm really surprised, "shocked", that nobody in Maryland engaged this fruitcake with their own weapons that they, as law abiding citizens, are allowed to carry and...oh, oops. you said Maryland and I thought you meant Arizona...
(Wife's cousin lives Arizona. Her and her girlfriend out for dinner the week before Christmas , and they were "victimized" in an attempted carjacking in parking lot by a knife wielding thug. Both pulled out their guns and ordered the scumbag pr*ck to the ground and held him til cops arrived TEN MINUTES LATER....Think maybe the Maryland Mall situation might have gone differently had they been out for a shopping trip that day?? Nah, more legislation would've made it go differently I'm sure.. )

Sarcasm or for srs? Haven't had my third cup of coffee yet, not sure laugh or cry.
 
And if, God forbid, it had been me and/or my family cornered, trapped, and if close range under attack, I'd have pulled either my SW 442 from my pocket and 2 quick hollow pt. rounds center mass and a third head shot, or, if a few more seconds were available, pulled my Glock26 from my ankle and 5 or 6 well placed hollow pt. rounds... Both giving my wife time to pull HER G26, and if my oldest daughter is there also, she'd pull HER G27..Either way, or if he's armored and if we're gonna die, we're going down as rams not sheep.
I'm really surprised, "shocked", that nobody in Maryland engaged this fruitcake with their own weapons that they, as law abiding citizens, are allowed to carry and...oh, oops. you said Maryland and I thought you meant Arizona...
(Wife's cousin lives Arizona. Her and her girlfriend out for dinner the week before Christmas , and they were "victimized" in an attempted carjacking in parking lot by a knife wielding thug. Both pulled out their guns and ordered the scumbag pr*ck to the ground and held him til cops arrived TEN MINUTES LATER....Think maybe the Maryland Mall situation might have gone differently had they been out for a shopping trip that day?? Nah, more legislation would've made it go differently I'm sure.. )

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That's some good one handed typing

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Wow another mass shooting in a "gun-free" zone in a state with strict gun control laws. I am shocked, shocked I tell you.

The Lame-Stream Media keeps giving this physcos the coverage and fame they desire and then wonder why this keeps happening no matter what laws they pass and how strict they are.
 
I think gun-free zones are terrible policy... but let's be serious... not being a gun free zone would rarely make a difference in the outcome in a lot of these situations.

The way I usually pose the argument is like this. Option A: Guaranteed massacre... Option B: Probable massacre

I do the same thing with the crossfire argument... Yea additional injuries/killed are POSSIBLE if someone is shooting back... but you really like the idea of just being executed for 5, 10, 15+ minutes until cops show up and make a decision. I'll take someone from one of the NES shoots shooting all over area X randomly to buy my happy ass some time to GTFO if I am unarmed.

Mike
 
And if, God forbid, it had been me and/or my family cornered, trapped, and if close range under attack, I'd have pulled either my SW 442 from my pocket and 2 quick hollow pt. rounds center mass and a third head shot, or, if a few more seconds were available, pulled my Glock26 from my ankle and 5 or 6 well placed hollow pt. rounds... Both giving my wife time to pull HER G26, and if my oldest daughter is there also, she'd pull HER G27..Either way, or if he's armored and if we're gonna die, we're going down as rams not sheep.
I'm really surprised, "shocked", that nobody in Maryland engaged this fruitcake with their own weapons that they, as law abiding citizens, are allowed to carry and...oh, oops. you said Maryland and I thought you meant Arizona...
(Wife's cousin lives Arizona. Her and her girlfriend out for dinner the week before Christmas , and they were "victimized" in an attempted carjacking in parking lot by a knife wielding thug. Both pulled out their guns and ordered the scumbag pr*ck to the ground and held him til cops arrived TEN MINUTES LATER....Think maybe the Maryland Mall situation might have gone differently had they been out for a shopping trip that day?? Nah, more legislation would've made it go differently I'm sure.. )

Damn... are you guys available later this afternoon? I was gonna go to Market Basket and cheese is on sale at the deli. people be crazy and I just want to make it home safe.

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I wonder when the media will realize glorifying the shooters in all these events just adds to the alure of the mentally unstable to be a copycat. His name is all over the news already.

EVERY article that has any reference to Columbine (even one I saw this morning) states the names of the two shooters. How about the names of the victims? I bet there aren't too many out here can name one victim of Columbine, but do know the names of the two shooters.
 
In the instance of MASS shootings, the media is more to blame than anyone. Yes, these people are ticking time bombs... but a lot of them trend towards having a sick desire for fame, and they know (rightfully) that they will get it. But hey, the news is a business, and this shit sells. I'd argue some of the people in the media (behind the scenes) are thrilled when this stuff happens, and have no problem perpetuating it.

Mike
 
The data doesn't support your contention. Although the media and leftist politicians (I repeat myself) try to hide it, a lot of active shooters (this guy probably doesn't qualify), will surrender or more likely off themselves at first contact with any armed person. Time and again either an officer or an armed civilian has terminated the event and saved lives. Active shooters tend to target unarmed victims so as to maximize their numbers, they generally don't want to and won't engage in a firefight.

I avoid gun free zones whenever I possibly can. Like you and others, I refuse to be a passive victim.

I think gun-free zones are terrible policy... but let's be serious... not being a gun free zone would rarely make a difference in the outcome in a lot of these situations.

The way I usually pose the argument is like this. Option A: Guaranteed massacre... Option B: Probable massacre
 
They know it, they just don't care. To them it's about maximizing viewers and ad revenue. Which is why they all race to be first with the story, have meaningless video, bring on "experts" that don't know shit, and run the same five seconds of video over and over.

It's called news reporting, not truth reporting.

I wonder when the media will realize glorifying the shooters in all these events just adds to the alure of the mentally unstable to be a copycat. His name is all over the news already.

EVERY article that has any reference to Columbine (even one I saw this morning) states the names of the two shooters. How about the names of the victims? I bet there aren't too many out here can name one victim of Columbine, but do know the names of the two shooters.
 
That's probably the anti-gun plan... the Media flushes out all the unstable nutjobs with promises of glory if they let loose in public places... feeding the agenda as all the sheep scream in horror "For the children!"
 
I think gun-free zones are terrible policy... but let's be serious... not being a gun free zone would rarely make a difference in the outcome in a lot of these situations.

The way I usually pose the argument is like this. Option A: Guaranteed massacre... Option B: Probable massacre

I do the same thing with the crossfire argument... Yea additional injuries/killed are POSSIBLE if someone is shooting back... but you really like the idea of just being executed for 5, 10, 15+ minutes until cops show up and make a decision. I'll take someone from one of the NES shoots shooting all over area X randomly to buy my happy ass some time to GTFO if I am unarmed.

Mike
I disagree with your original statement. I think the odds of someone carrying and shooting the scumbag before they inflict mass casualties are greater in places where the right to carry is less restricted. I hate going to places like town meetings where there are a bunch of people jammed into a small place where carry is prohibited by law and the penalties for carrying are severe because I know all the good guys left their guns at home. A mall with a no firearms policy is different story in Mass.
 
The odds are greater... but I don't think as astronomically as many assume.

In a rare minority of instances, an armed (and trained) person may be at the right place at the right time, but the fact is it is a minority of the population that CCs, and a smaller subset of them who properly train.

Again, I think gun free zones are a detrimental policy with regard to public safety, but I don't think ridding them would significantly reduce the fatalities in mass shootings. This also may be regional... If, say, teachers in MA were allowed to be armed, you would likely find many schools that had NO armed teachers. You may also see BGs going to soft armor more often...

There is no be all end all solution... and to be practical we can't treat it as an absolute that "if there was a CCer there, or if that wasn't a gun free zone, X Y or Z would have gone down differently." The way I see it, if place X wasn't a gun free zone, then at least the people there would have had a chance... which is better than the alternative. By marking that location as a gun free zone, you [anti gun person you are talking to] have GUARANTEED the most possible innocent lives lost.

Mike
 
I think gun-free zones are terrible policy... but let's be serious... not being a gun free zone would rarely make a difference in the outcome in a lot of these situations.

The way I usually pose the argument is like this. Option A: Guaranteed massacre... Option B: Probable massacre

From everything I've seen in recent shootings, I think if these places weren't gun-free zones, the shootings wouldn't happen (or be much less likely to happen) in the first place. The people who carry these type of attacks out aren't brave or tough, and aren't looking for a fight. They plan their attacks for gun free zones for this exact reason. They don't want any resistance, they want total control over the life and death of every person in their target zone. The last mass public shooter (without terrorist connections) to shoot it out with an armed responder was Charles Whitman on August 1, 1966...nearly five decades ago. There hasn't been a single mass public shooter to shoot it out with police or armed civilians since then. There are literally dozens of examples of mass public shooters encountering armed resistance and their responses are always the same: They surrender, they are shot and killed immediately, or they kill themselves.

In this case though, I don't think it being a gun-free zone had any influence on the attack. They're reporting that this was a domestic dispute where the shooter and victims both knew each other and that the shooter targeted the victims for personal reasons.
 
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