I cracked open a case of Magtech that I bought locally in 2019. The price tag on the box is for $170. The replacement ammo that's on its way from Federal cost me around $500. I think at this point I'd be thrilled with 25-30 cents per round.
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Ammo industry: Won't see prices return to normal until 2023
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I cracked open a case of Magtech that I bought locally in 2019. The price tag on the box is for $170. The replacement ammo that's on its way from Federal cost me around $500. I think at this point I'd be thrilled with 25-30 cents per round.
Prices are the same as they were Friday.
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Winchester had a retroactive 8% rise earlier this year. It's about setting the ground for the "new normal".
The ammo firms are learning they may have underestimated the profit maximizing point on the supply/demand curve.
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I just received an email from Brownells, (06/03/2021 ~11:57AM EST):
"only 339.99" for 500 rounds. Quick math says 340 x 2 = 680, divide by 100 and that's 68 cents per round.
That's obscene. I didn't even bother to see if shipping was additional.
I had a conversation last night with a friend of mine, he's a gun owner, but not a shooter. He wanted to know what it cost me to load my own ammo. I don't actually know. If I'd kept meticulous records I could probably track it - but I wasn't, (and am not), so inclined.
It starts with two XL650s which I guess are "startup costs". Fairly serious investment there, (although to be honest, one was a gift from my wife). Then there's the additional equipment, the die sets, the scale, the chamber checking gauges, the micrometer, the bullet puller, etc. to go along with the presses.
Once all the "startup costs" have been paid, it's just ongoing costs for powder, bullets and primers.
When I started, I did some very rough calculations, and I think I was loading 9mm for about .27 per round. My cost hasn't gone up much, primers are a bit more expensive, but that's it.
Meanwhile, there's no more major capital expense, (I have all of the equipment unless I go to another caliber).
So, this 68 cpr doesn't look like much of a deal to me...
"only 339.99" for 500 rounds. Quick math says 340 x 2 = 680, divide by 100 and that's 68 cents per round.
That's obscene. I didn't even bother to see if shipping was additional.
I had a conversation last night with a friend of mine, he's a gun owner, but not a shooter. He wanted to know what it cost me to load my own ammo. I don't actually know. If I'd kept meticulous records I could probably track it - but I wasn't, (and am not), so inclined.
It starts with two XL650s which I guess are "startup costs". Fairly serious investment there, (although to be honest, one was a gift from my wife). Then there's the additional equipment, the die sets, the scale, the chamber checking gauges, the micrometer, the bullet puller, etc. to go along with the presses.
Once all the "startup costs" have been paid, it's just ongoing costs for powder, bullets and primers.
When I started, I did some very rough calculations, and I think I was loading 9mm for about .27 per round. My cost hasn't gone up much, primers are a bit more expensive, but that's it.
Meanwhile, there's no more major capital expense, (I have all of the equipment unless I go to another caliber).
So, this 68 cpr doesn't look like much of a deal to me...
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yeah, and no.
Reloading is good for my mental health. The simple act of sitting in my garage, listening to music, running the press is relaxing. It's a great way to distance myself from my sometimes stressful work day.
It's the same relaxation I get from working on my bike, cleaning guns, making parts. I spend way too much of my life at a desk, on computers. It's good to use my hands on something other than a keyboard.
i made a very high level computation for my .223 and 6.5CM needs, at the time when i started the thread in the reloading forum on that topic - with a one XL750 machine and 2 switchable setups, shell feeder, tools for cleaning, etc - roughly $2K at a minimum for an equipment alone. plus on top of that - unobtanium primers, bullets, etc. considering one already have saved enough brass - i did.
of course it is not about the effort to save $ on ammo - it is cheaper to buy a regular plinking rounds and prices ARE going down - but when you start looking at the match grade rounds of a specific weight - like i want 68gr for 5.56, the whole math changes. a match grade 6.5CM now still costs an unpleasant amount.
still, an absence of primers now still kinda makes it not very sensible.
if CMP will raise its prices two-fold compared to what it was last fall - then it will be no way around, but, if prices will remain or drop a bit - it is easier to buy from CMP again.
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This is also exactly how you get people who don't know better to think they've gotten a spectacular deal.
And theres a lot of em out there.
9mm for 48 cpr shipped direct from Speer. Not a bad sign I guess.
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That's only twice the price that it should be instead of 3x the price9mm for 48 cpr shipped direct from Speer. Not a bad sign I guess.
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Agreed. But compared to 60-70 cpr from just a month or 2 ago, it's a decent sign?
Though there are local shops charging $40 per box of 9mm which blows my mind that people are still paying that. I understand they need money to pay rent, employees, utilities, etc but its a tough pill to swallow knowing you could literally save almost $20 per box by buying online.
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60 bucks a box.... jfc9mm is getting there.....Fiocchi 115gr at my local gunshop this morning, $17.89 per box of 50, no limit.
He said he had a guy come in a few days ago wanting to consign a bunch of 9mm that he had bought at a gunshow for $60.00 +tax a box......talk about getting bent over!!!!
He told him he might as well go shoot it or tuck it away because he'd already lost his ass on it and it would never sell for even half of what he paid.
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My LGS had 9mm in stock today as well. Fiocchi 147gr range. At $39.99 a box of 50.
I didn't ask about limits. While I'm willing to pay a bit extra to keep LGSs in business, that's beyond the call of duty.
My LGS has 9mm no name brand at $39/box. 40and 45 named brand like Federal at $43 and $47. And .38sp at $125 for a box of 100. Any “loyalty”. I might have felt is basically gone. I used to go in and not mind spending a buck or 2 more to support them, but not anymore.
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S&W says going to continue:
'Ammunition inventories that were depleted during the pandemic are showing no sign of improving, according to Smith & Wesson Brands CEO Mark Smith.
Gun sales in the U.S. have soared over the past 15 months as people sought protection in response to the wave of civil unrest that occurred following the death of George Floyd as well as an increase in socially distant outdoor activities amid COVID-19 lockdowns.
Firearms enthusiasts also stocked up to prepare for the possibility of stricter gun regulations during the Biden administration. '
Ammo shortage shows no sign of improving: Smith & Wesson
'Ammunition inventories that were depleted during the pandemic are showing no sign of improving, according to Smith & Wesson Brands CEO Mark Smith.
Gun sales in the U.S. have soared over the past 15 months as people sought protection in response to the wave of civil unrest that occurred following the death of George Floyd as well as an increase in socially distant outdoor activities amid COVID-19 lockdowns.
Firearms enthusiasts also stocked up to prepare for the possibility of stricter gun regulations during the Biden administration. '
Ammo shortage shows no sign of improving: Smith & Wesson
Prices seem to be dropping a bit recently but with inflation/devaluation there will be a price point above what it was.
The new normal. (I hate that phrase)
That assumes there's no fresh crisis to drive shortages and or increase price.
At this point it's almost cyclical.
Firearms enthusiasts stocked up to prepare for the possibility of a WAR!!! Future regulations had nothing to do with most people buying up ammo.
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Every time there is a prolonged shortage or inflation, prices are reset from scratch by taking a fresh look at the supply/demand curves. This is why when a vendor's cost goes up by $1 you often see the price go up by $5. Even shooting clubs are not immune to doing that, but at least the extra $$ goes to benefiting the club so it doesn't really hurt.
The primer reaction is ""we see you are willing to pay $90, so we''ll keep the price at that and as long as nobody tries to upset the market share balance, that price will stick".
Ouch! LGS last month had something brass-cased for $369. Just too bad you have to buy the case to get that per round price.
I was going to take a second job to buy guns/ammo. Now it's just to put gas in the tank to go to my first job.
2k and 5k vnd coins, these worth a few usa cents. When hyperinflation of the us dollar set in a round of .22 may cost u 5 dollars lol. What ever type of ammo u shoot you may want to buy a some now, price only gona go up.
