AR "Pistol" With Rifle Upper Still Pistol?

weekendracer said:
No, I'm talking about what the ATF is trying to do that's currently tied up in court. A 'brace' is a 'stock' hence you have to register your SBR if you want to keep a brace on it.
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No. That’s been 100% overturned

That’s no longer a thing. And why a bunch of us are fapping to ar/ak/mp5/flux pistols.

Braces are braces. ATF over reached
 
chris_1001 said:
No. That’s been 100% overturned

That’s no longer a thing. And why a bunch of us are fapping to ar/ak/mp5/flux pistols.

Braces are braces. ATF over reached
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Ok, I never followed it, last I looked into it, it was pending another court ruling. I would never own such an abomination as nasty as an AR style pistol. Time for Rosane Rosanadanna:

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weekendracer said:
Ok, I never followed it, last I looked into it, it was pending another court ruling. I would never own such an abomination as nasty as an AR style pistol. Time for Rosane Rosanadanna:

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It’s an sbr without the tax

Eta. Why is it an abomination and nasty?

I’m always wondering why people shit on everything here. .40 I get. But the rest? lol
 
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weekendracer said:
Ok, I never followed it, last I looked into it, it was pending another court ruling. I would never own such an abomination as nasty as an AR style pistol. Time for Rosane Rosanadanna:

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Lol. It’s your $200 and state border limits to abide by if that’s your desire. I find it to be a major benefit and if one wants to it’s a very easy avenue towards an sbr.
 
chris_1001 said:
It’s an sbr without the tax

Eta. Why is it an abomination and nasty?

I’m always wondering why people shit on everything here. .40 I get. But the rest? lol
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I guess technically mine isn't a SBR as it sits.......but a couple of twists it would be. Not that I would own such a thing.

I really need to add a /s to most of my posts.
 
chris_1001 said:
Yup! Lol.

There are no bad guns, just bad owners.
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Saw a guy with a setup in his truck while I was pulling his codes. I said 'what an icky gun, I bet it makes a lot of noise.' He said, 'yeah, it is kind of loud'. I replied something like 'if I owned something like that it would be a little longer, but quieter'.

It took him a second.
 
weekendracer said:
Saw a guy with a setup in his truck while I was pulling his codes. I said 'what an icky gun, I bet it makes a lot of noise.' He said, 'yeah, it is kind of loud'. I replied something like 'if I owned something like that it would be a little longer, but quieter'.

It took him a second.
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😂

Short and quiet for the win
 
Is it the case that the ATF says if manufactured as a rifle it cannot be reconfigured to a pistol with the addition of a brace substituting a stock?
In other words, once a rifle always a rifle.
I had heard this before but have never research the actual law/regulation.

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CatSnoutSoup said:
Is it the case that the ATF says if manufactured as a rifle it cannot be reconfigured to a pistol with the addition of a brace substituting a stock?
In other words, once a rifle always a rifle.
I had heard this before but have never research the actual law/regulation.

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I do believe that is the regulation. Once a rifle always a rifle.

Im pretty sure my FFL down here told me that when he was explaining all the suppressor, NFA and SBR stuff down here. Being from MA I never bothered to even educate myself on it.
 
CatSnoutSoup said:
Is it the case that the ATF says if manufactured as a rifle it cannot be reconfigured to a pistol with the addition of a brace substituting a stock?
In other words, once a rifle always a rifle.
I had heard this before but have never research the actual law/regulation.
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They've reverted back to "Born as a rifle, always a rifle".

Can I lawfully make a pistol into a rifle without registering that firearm? | Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives

Assuming that the firearm was originally a pistol, the resulting firearm, with an attached shoulder stock, is not an NFA firearm if it has a barrel of 16 inches or more in length. Pursuant to ATF Ruling 2011-4, such rifle may later be unassembled and again configured as a pistol. Such...
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cockpitbob said:
(thread drift)
Dafug is this in the updated NH law??

"XVIII. Number; Gender: The singular shall include the plural; and the masculine shall include the feminine and neuter."
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It's a shortcut to (attempt) to get the purple-haired crowd to shut up about the RSA's containing language such as "until he has filed a copy of the permit" without having to to through and take out "he" and "his" everywhere it appears.
 
DarkJoker33 said:
But, what new law did I miss?
This is the 1st I'm seeing of it
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The new law makes AR pistols etc legal if you lawfully possessed it on 8/1. That is you own the serialized part. So while you cant build one today, on 10/23 you can turn your stripped lower into a Pistol.

I Just bought a pre 8/1 FCU for use in the Flux Raider build... I'll probably turn a extra lower into an AR pistol.
 
chris_1001 said:
The new law makes AR pistols etc legal if you lawfully possessed it on 8/1. That is you own the serialized part. So while you cant build one today, on 10/23 you can turn your stripped lower into a Pistol.

I Just bought a pre 8/1 FCU for use in the Flux Raider build... I'll probably turn a extra lower into an AR pistol.
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So I'm assuming I can't go buy a stribog,pmx or scorpion in that format now either because of 8/1?
 
Interesting thread.

Couple points - the ATF attempted to say that braces are stocks after saying for years that braces aren't stocks. This led to people being potentially put into the position of either re-configuring their firearm so that it was a pistol, (by removing the brace), reconfiguring as a rife - by changing the barrel, or applying for an NFA stamp for a SBR. The ATF was sued by multiple firearms groups and basically got their peepee slapped.

Among other groups, GOA, FPC and SAF were responsible for the suits.

SBRs cannot simply "travel freely", there's paperwork to be filed if you take it across state lines. Pistols have no such restrictions.

My 7.5" AR pistol, with red dot and armbrace makes an insane truck gun, that's legal as a pistol in any state that I have reciprocity in, except for commie states that specifically outlaw "assault weapons".

Yes - it's LOUD. If I need it, I don't think that's gonna be my primary consideration. It's not a range toy, it's a self-defense weapon.
 
allen-1 said:
Interesting thread.

Couple points - the ATF attempted to say that braces are stocks after saying for years that braces aren't stocks. This led to people being potentially put into the position of either re-configuring their firearm so that it was a pistol, (by removing the brace), reconfiguring as a rife - by changing the barrel, or applying for an NFA stamp for a SBR. The ATF was sued by multiple firearms groups and basically got their peepee slapped.

Among other groups, GOA, FPC and SAF were responsible for the suits.

SBRs cannot simply "travel freely", there's paperwork to be filed if you take it across state lines. Pistols have no such restrictions.

My 7.5" AR pistol, with red dot and armbrace makes an insane truck gun, that's legal as a pistol in any state that I have reciprocity in, except for commie states that specifically outlaw "assault weapons".

Yes - it's LOUD. If I need it, I don't think that's gonna be my primary consideration. It's not a range toy, it's a self-defense weapon.
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Yup, braces are GTG again... And yup, its a pistol, not an SBR, no paperwork required.

My thought is maybe I will make an AR-9 Pistol AND an AR 5.56 Pistol...

I probably can legally swap all my SBR uppers around between the 9 and 5.56 SBR I have AND if I do both the pistols... So two uppers 4 guns... (until I get more uppers lol)
 
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