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AR15 without a stock- just a buffer tube: legal in Mass?
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wolf223
whats the OAL???
why?![[laugh]](/xen/styles/default/xenforo/smilies.vb/012.gif "Laugh [laugh]")
IANAL though..
why?
IANAL though..
whats the OAL???
why?
IANAL though..
The overall length would be that of any AR with a totally collapsed stock? No SBR here.
I am asking because this IS Massachusetts, after all!
Judging by the response, I suppose it is legal!
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wolf223
why?
there are plenty funky stocks out there (ACE among others) that are nothing but a tube...
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It's interpretive. It would be a stockless rifle (if one interprets the buffer tube as NOT a stock). Which just goes to show you how stupid the laws are. Underfolder is OK, but stockless is an AOW.
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The length of the barrel. And the fact that in MA where reptile is, we have an active AWB which sort of precludes an AR pistol.
OAL and barrel length.
The reason I am hesitant here is because I read a story of a guy who got in trouble for adding the rubber foot from the bottom of a crutch to the end of a buffer tube, making an SBR.
Does this mean that just a buffer tube makes an AR-15 pistol and not an SBR, but adding ANYTHING to the end of it does?
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wolf223
same here, i'm thinking the ACE model.. is it the "SOG"??? nothing more than a tube w / butt plate.
white oak precision??? nothing but a tube with a butt plate and thingies..![[thinking]](/xen/styles/default/xenforo/smilies.vb/010.gif "Thinking [thinking]")
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white oak precision??? nothing but a tube with a butt plate and thingies..
This is interesting....how does the state define a stock? If it's just "a thingy that goes up" lol or something that just is there to push the shoulder against....technically anyone could use a turkey leg as long as it was securely attached...correct?
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wolf223
allegidly we can open cary as well.
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I think This is the same issue as with a sxs shotgun. Even though it may have a bbl 18"+ removing the but stock brings it under the min oal making it a Sbs.
If the oal of the ar with the stock removed is greater than the min oal you should be fine. If it is under thay I believe you have an unregistered sbr.
Bushmaster used to sell a snubbie stock that only came out to the end of a short buffer tube and they had no issues of sbr or oal.
If the oal of the ar with the stock removed is greater than the min oal you should be fine. If it is under thay I believe you have an unregistered sbr.
Bushmaster used to sell a snubbie stock that only came out to the end of a short buffer tube and they had no issues of sbr or oal.
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Stockless "rifles" aren't AOW's by defult (actually off hand I can't think of too many stockless "rifles" that are AOW's). It will likely be one of 3 things, a SBR, a "regular" pistol, or just a "firearm" (like semi 1919's). Of course with a full length buffer tube (only) and BBL over 16inch, don't see why it wouldn't still be a rifle (just because it isn't comfortable to shoot from the shoulder, doesn't mean it isn't a "stock")...
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