Army Given Gun Confiscation Questionnaire

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Can we please stop advocating or calling for the murder of innocent women and children on this site?? Jesus f***ing Christ are you literally a walking vagina?!

It’s a cowardly way to approach any fight and clearly shows your intense fear of the actual person you think has wronged you, that you’d attack a child instead.

This is what you bring to NES:

1) Bad conduct discharge from the USMC - check

2) Member of a white nationalist group - check

3) Non-green member of NES calling for the murder of innocent children because you’re too much of a pussy to fight a man yourself - check

4) Drawing a huge amount of negative attention to this site (we all know it’s monitored by LE) and it’s many very decent members on NES - check

5) Being stupid enough to red flag yourself with posts like that online in this day and age - check

In fact it’s so stupid, and so blatant, that it leaves me wondering if you’re actually a Fed yourself, out here phishing for other low IQ mouth breathers to draw in and set up with some fake terror plot and then charge them with it.

This is the only scenario that makes sense to me because I have a hard time believing somebody is actually this stupid.
One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. Our forefathers were ordered by their British colonial masters to drop their weapons and surrender ("Disperse ye rebels!"). If our founding fathers did, we would be standing at attention while snapping shit at the Union Jack and collectively singing "God Save The Queen"! Protecting the Second Amendment would not even be remotely an issue because there would not be one to protect. Yes, I chose BCD over poison injection. Stayed in touch with a few friends from the USMC. All are experiencing health problems now. Military denies responsibility. One was told by the VA that he must have been a drug addict or something. Another has a son with birth defects. Sorry, but I made the right call. My daughters were born healthy and I am in great physical shape for a 42 year old white guy!
 
Yeah yeah......I have a master's degree and so does my wife. Formal Education does not automatically equal common sense.

I've Already told you before......my father and all his family is from South of the Mason Dixon line......all great people...... so your remarks about my disdain for Southerners is stupid and you have reverted to that drivel about 4 times now.

Answer to posts 37 and 38. That's where the substance is in this whole thing and you keep reverting to school yard comments. Nes is not the place to promote Killing of innocent people......it's monitored by leo......and your giving all of us a terrible rep by doing so.
Well, Whacko, I don't know if you are a religious man or not, but I think all of us had better kneel down and pray that this shitstorm of BS does not pass in VA. There are no atheists in foxholes and on sinking ships. If VA, a bastion of southern strength and independence, falls, we are screwed royally. Monday, January 20, will be pivotal. Hope all goes well for our 2A rights. Regardless of what we think of each other on the personal level, we all have a vested interest in this outcome.
 
Posse Comitatus Act & Insurrection Act of 1807...

(Suspended 2006-2007, Reinstated 2008) Post-Katrina...
Section 1076 is titled "Use of the Armed Forces in major public emergencies." It provided that:

The President may employ the armed forces ... to ... restore public order and enforce the laws of the United States when, as a result of a natural disaster, epidemic, or other serious public health emergency, terrorist attack or incident, or other condition ... the President determines that ... domestic violence has occurred to such an extent that the constituted authorities of the State or possession are incapable of maintaining public order ... or [to] suppress, in a State, any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy if such ... a condition ... so hinders the execution of the laws ... that any part or class of its people is deprived of a right, privilege, immunity, or protection named in the Constitution and secured by law ... or opposes or obstructs the execution of the laws of the United States or impedes the course of justice under those laws


(2011, Obama Modification) Still in effect...
A person who was a part of or substantially supported al-Qaeda, the Taliban, or associated forces that are engaged in hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners, including any person who has committed a belligerent act or has directly supported such hostilities in aid of such enemy forces.
The constitution says FU to that Section 1076.
 
Take a cue from the Irish Republican Army. Those old boys knew damn well how to take the fight to their enemies, despite the fact that they were few in number. If not, then bend over and lick your socialist masters' boots!
I must have missed you taking the fight to The Man.

How's that shoe polish taste?
 
Like this guy
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That's just a fat little PIG.
 
Again, posse commitatus.

You need to read up on that. What I posted this afternoon doesn't even take it into account. Soldiers have a deep-seated institutional prohibition against acting as law enforcement, not to mention it's against both law and the entire philosophy under which the Founders theorized about armies. You can happily hypothesize about SCOTUS overturning 2a (somehow?), but nobody's interested in overturning posse commitatus.

Who cares if "a ban became law?" That's for law enforcement to, y' know, enforce.

Keep telling yourself that. If they can stack the SCOTUS and get around the 2nd, you really think posse commitatus will still be around? You need to think bigger, they sure as hell are.

History tells me that once 'democracy' takes over, the rules change on a whim.
 
If they can stack the SCOTUS and get around the 2nd...

Dear lord. That's a BIG "if," and not even remotely something I'll grant.

You'll need to do a lot more to convince me that's around the corner than to simply assert it. Because "they" never have actually stacked SCOTUS IOT get around the 2nd, and "they're" a damn sight from it right now.

Tell me how you think this happens. And, more significantly, how it results in confiscation. In the real world, please, and not in fantasyland.
 
One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. Our forefathers were ordered by their British colonial masters to drop their weapons and surrender ("Disperse ye rebels!"). If our founding fathers did, we would be standing at attention while snapping shit at the Union Jack and collectively singing "God Save The Queen"! Protecting the Second Amendment would not even be remotely an issue because there would not be one to protect. Yes, I chose BCD over poison injection. Stayed in touch with a few friends from the USMC. All are experiencing health problems now. Military denies responsibility. One was told by the VA that he must have been a drug addict or something. Another has a son with birth defects. Sorry, but I made the right call. My daughters were born healthy and I am in great physical shape for a 42 year old white guy!

Ok, so, confusingly I admit, I’m missing the part where our forefathers, God bless them all, sent men out to kill British women and children. 🤷‍♂️
Where’s that chapter in history?

They didn’t, because they also had the balls and moral courage to fight the men on the other side and leave the non-combatants alone, even if they belonged to an enemy family, because God was watching them and they wanted God on their side.

I’m not a holy roller, that’s just how they thought back then, and they also had this thing called Honor.
 
Ok, so, confusingly I admit, I’m missing the part where our forefathers, God bless them all, sent men out to kill British women and children. 🤷‍♂️
Where’s that chapter in history?

They didn’t, because they also had the balls and moral courage to fight the men on the other side and leave the non-combatants alone, even if they belonged to an enemy family, because God was watching them and they wanted God on their side.

I’m not a holy roller, that’s just how they thought back then, and they also had this thing called Honor.
British women and children were at home across the pond. Redcoats with Brown Bess muskets came here to kill our people. Not even an issue. If you want to talk about killing innocent women and children, you might want to contact Randy Weaver and those poor souls who managed to survive the wholesale, government sanctioned, slaughter in Waco, Texas. Make sure you have a large batch of popcorn and beverages to share!
 
Dear lord. That's a BIG "if," and not even remotely something I'll grant.

You'll need to do a lot more to convince me that's around the corner than to simply assert it. Because "they" never have actually stacked SCOTUS IOT get around the 2nd, and "they're" a damn sight from it right now.

Tell me how you think this happens. And, more significantly, how it results in confiscation. In the real world, please, and not in fantasyland.

Really, we're playing in reality all of a sudden? They're not even going door to door in CT or anyplace else that has already banned black rifles.

There are simply not enough cops to do any type of mass confiscation without military support. There's something like 2 million uniformed LEO's across the entire country. Nowhere near enough to deal with any scheme to grab guns, if 1/2 say f-that, it's even worse for the grabbers. So the reality is, until they can get control of all 3 branches of government, there is nothing to worry about at the federal level. Once they have all 3, and have the nuts to try it, they'd have to circumvent the SCOTUS somehow, get a law passed, then get the military on board with any rational expectation of pulling it off.
 
Ok, so, confusingly I admit, I’m missing the part where our forefathers, God bless them all, sent men out to kill British women and children. 🤷‍♂️
Where’s that chapter in history?

They didn’t, because they also had the balls and moral courage to fight the men on the other side and leave the non-combatants alone, even if they belonged to an enemy family, because God was watching them and they wanted God on their side.

I’m not a holy roller, that’s just how they thought back then, and they also had this thing called Honor.

I think 308rifleman is loathsome and his ideas on this are beyond ridiculous, but look up the Sullivan Expedition. It's pretty shameful.

Washington sent Sullivan to terrorize some upstate New York tribes.
 
Really, we're playing in reality all of a sudden? They're not even going door to door in CT or anyplace else that has already banned black rifles.

There are simply not enough cops to do any type of mass confiscation without military support. There's something like 2 million uniformed LEO's across the entire country. Nowhere near enough to deal with any scheme to grab guns, if 1/2 say f-that, it's even worse for the grabbers. So the reality is, until they can get control of all 3 branches of government, there is nothing to worry about at the federal level. Once they have all 3, and have the nuts to try it, they'd have to circumvent the SCOTUS somehow, get a law passed, then get the military on board with any rational expectation of pulling it off.

"somehow."

Yup. That's about as well-developed as I assumed your position was.
 
I think 308rifleman is loathsome and his ideas on this are beyond ridiculous, but look up the Sullivan Expedition. It's pretty shameful.

Washington sent Sullivan to terrorize some upstate New York tribes.
Well, thanks for your vote of confidence. Much appreciated! Looks like Florida already fell into the hands of our enemies and Virginia is next on the chopping block. Belated holiday gifts, on a silver platter, for Maura. She will plan her next moves accordingly, to our collective detriment. Better get used to chucking spears and using archery equipment for home defense, like they did in the stone age. Assuming, of course, that Maura doesn't outlaw those as well!
 
British women and children were at home across the pond. Redcoats with Brown Bess muskets came here to kill our people. Not even an issue. If you want to talk about killing innocent women and children, you might want to contact Randy Weaver and those poor souls who managed to survive the wholesale, government sanctioned, slaughter in Waco, Texas. Make sure you have a large batch of popcorn and beverages to share!

Rubbish. There were hundreds if not thousands of family members that accompanied and lived here with their Redcoat soldiers, Governors and statesmen.

Well you make a great point, finally, and why are people so pissed about that and calling for the Feds that did it to be held fully accountable?? Because they murdered innocent women and kids!! Jesus bud. Think for a minute will you.

Regardless, it’s friday night, I’m done and going to have a drink.
 
I think 308rifleman is loathsome and his ideas on this are beyond ridiculous, but look up the Sullivan Expedition. It's pretty shameful.

Washington sent Sullivan to terrorize some upstate New York tribes.

I’ll look into the story. Thank you. And I agree.
 
Rubbish. There were hundreds if not thousands of family members that accompanied and lived here with their Redcoat soldiers, Governors and statesmen.

Well you make a great point, finally, and why are people so pissed about that and calling for the Feds that did it to be held fully accountable?? Because they murdered innocent women and kids!! Jesus bud. Think for a minute will you.

Regardless, it’s friday night, I’m done and going to have a drink.
Yup, me too. Jill is pouring the Harveys Bristol now. Our favorite! Cheers!
 
Ok, so, confusingly I admit, I’m missing the part where our forefathers, God bless them all, sent men out to kill British women and children. 🤷‍♂️
Where’s that chapter in history?

They didn’t, because they also had the balls and moral courage to fight the men on the other side and leave the non-combatants alone, even if they belonged to an enemy family, because God was watching them and they wanted God on their side.

I’m not a holy roller, that’s just how they thought back then, and they also had this thing called Honor.
Actually, the British established the first concentration camps. Unable to defeat the expert riflemen of the Boer commando forces, they burned the Boers farms and rounded up their families. The Boers soon surrendered.
 
Speaking of ancient history....
In the following clip, a military veteran calls The Alex Jones Show to share his story about being questioned by the military about whether or not he’d comply with an order to confiscate guns from American citizens.
Sounds like he had a flashback to something that was all over the radio 25 years ago.
Infowars has been pushing that same claim since at least 2012, I think KBCraig is right that this "military veteran" was talking the same old story, nothing recent or new.
 
You forgot one.
6. Advocates for mass residents to break the law by purchasing long guns in other states and not filing efa10 while admitting to the same.

He's been circling the drain of bat shit crazy for months.
Massachusetts police departments, including private police forces such as Boston & Maine Railroad Police (now known as Pan Am Railways), Harvard University Campus Police, Holy Cross College Campus Police along with many others received M14 and M16 rifles, which are NFA machine guns under federal law, and forbidden to us peons. Private police departments have more rights than us peons. Go figure! Well, Whacko, go apply for a free M14 or M16 from the feds. I think I know that your answer will be a big fat NO! Assuming you even get a response!
 
Dear lord. That's a BIG "if," and not even remotely something I'll grant.

You'll need to do a lot more to convince me that's around the corner than to simply assert it. Because "they" never have actually stacked SCOTUS IOT get around the 2nd, and "they're" a damn sight from it right now.

Tell me how you think this happens. And, more significantly, how it results in confiscation. In the real world, please, and not in fantasyland.

I think the donks have demonstrated the degree and severity of the mental illness that has taken root in all levels of their party by what we've seen in the so called house impeachment process......

If you think for one moment that the same donks wouldnt leap at the opportunity to IMPEACH every single one of trump's judicial appointments should they ever manage to control by even a single vote, both the house and senate you're delusional.

We are dealing with a democrat party full of politicians that are truly and unequivicably suffering from profound mental illness AND have no regard whatsoever for their oath of office or the constitution the swore to uphold

The pols are power hungry maniacs on one hand and on the other they regularly display the maturity level and emotional stability of a 5 year old throwing a temper tantrum......
 
Military officers swear their oath to the Constitution, not CIC.

Among my friends (from LT’s to retired Colonels to 3 stars) this would likely be treated as an “Illegal Order.”
Easy to say from an armchair. Harder to say when you are faced with loss of your career and profession; court marshal; the equivalent of a felony on your record and a dishhonorable discharge for disobeying a lawful order (remember, the system, and not the soldier gets to decide if the order was lawful). It's the difference between a healthy sibling asking "would you give me a kidney if I needed one" and a less pristine one saying "my surgeon would like to have a meeting with you about your extra kidney".

Just ask, how many NYPD officers give someone carrying a gun without the proper paperwork a "pass" if there is no other evidence of criminal activity and you will have your answer.
 
Massachusetts police departments, including private police forces such as Boston & Maine Railroad Police (now known as Pan Am Railways), Harvard University Campus Police, Holy Cross College Campus Police along with many others received M14 and M16 rifles, which are NFA machine guns under federal law, and forbidden to us peons. Private police departments have more rights than us peons. Go figure! Well, Whacko, go apply for a free M14 or M16 from the feds. I think I know that your answer will be a big fat NO! Assuming you even get a response!
What does the .gov giving nfa items to private police departments have to do with a guy being stupid enough to admit on an open forum monitored by LE that he knowingly disobeys mass gun law.....and advocates openly that every mass resident should? All while providing a plethora of personally identifying information about himself.

I know it's difficult......but think really hard about what I just said. Most nes folks known about....and understand about government overreach especially in Massachusetts and a few may....or may not.... plan accordingly with how they apply mass gun law. They are just smart enough to shut the f*** up about it on an open website because they realize that bragging about it when LE is watching negates any perceived benefit from their civil disobedience. See what I'm saying?
 
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I guess my question here is...did this really happen. Were troops given a questionnaire, I have never been given such a questionnaire in many years in uniform, and we have many past and present military members, has anybody other than this one vet seen such a questionnaire?

Like most here, I am on several forums and nobody else has seen such a questionnaire.
 
I think the donks have demonstrated the degree and severity of the mental illness that has taken root in all levels of their party by what we've seen in the so called house impeachment process......

If you think for one moment that the same donks wouldnt leap at the opportunity to IMPEACH every single one of trump's judicial appointments should they ever manage to control by even a single vote, both the house and senate you're delusional.

We are dealing with a democrat party full of politicians that are truly and unequivicably suffering from profound mental illness AND have no regard whatsoever for their oath of office or the constitution the swore to uphold

The pols are power hungry maniacs on one hand and on the other they regularly display the maturity level and emotional stability of a 5 year old throwing a temper tantrum......

Much of this is true. But it’s still a FAR cry from what a few of the paranoiac tinfoilers around here are convinced is going to happen RIGHT NOW, MAN!!!! GO TIME!!!!

There isn’t, even remotely, a current US legal mechanism that is likely to result in the .gov, of whatever party, being able to snap its fingers and gank over 300m firearms from its peaceable citizens. There just isn’t, despite the Second Civil War fever-dreams of some posters here.

Easy to say from an armchair. Harder to say when you are faced with loss of your career and profession; court marshal; the equivalent of a felony on your record and a dishhonorable discharge for disobeying a lawful order (remember, the system, and not the soldier gets to decide if the order was lawful). It's the difference between a healthy sibling asking "would you give me a kidney if I needed one" and a less pristine one saying "my surgeon would like to have a meeting with you about your extra kidney".

Just ask, how many NYPD officers give someone carrying a gun without the proper paperwork a "pass" if there is no other evidence of criminal activity and you will have your answer.

ah, but it’s less simple for soldiers than for cops. A soldier “faced with loss of career and profession” can stand that same court-martial whether he obeys orders or not. The only career-enhancing move, when faced with an order that may or may not be unlawful, is to resign. Otherwise, under UCMJ, you can choose the specification at your trial: mutiny, or following an unlawful order.

Two opposite decisions, same result. It’s a more complicated calculus for career soldiers. You can bet all the generals would be phoning each other in the lead-up to this mythical scenario, trying to figure out a way to short-circuit it.
 
I guess my question here is...did this really happen. Were troops given a questionnaire, I have never been given such a questionnaire in many years in uniform, and we have many past and present military members, has anybody other than this one vet seen such a questionnaire?

Like most here, I am on several forums and nobody else has seen such a questionnaire.
Retired last year. Never seen a questionare like that.
 
What does the .gov giving nfa items to private police departments have to do with a guy being stupid enough to admit on an open forum monitored by LE that he knowingly disobeys mass gun law.....and advocates openly that every mass resident should? All while providing a plethora of personally identifying information about himself.

I know it's difficult......but think really hard about what I just said. Most nes folks known about....and understand about government overreach especially in Massachusetts and a few may....or may not.... plan accordingly with how they apply mass gun law. They are just smart enough to shut the f*** up about it on an open website because they realize that bragging about it when LE is watching negates any perceived benefit from their civil disobedience. See what I'm saying?
What does the .gov giving nfa items to private police departments have to do with a guy being stupid enough to admit on an open forum monitored by LE that he knowingly disobeys mass gun law.....and advocates openly that every mass resident should? All while providing a plethora of personally identifying information about himself.

I know it's difficult......but think really hard about what I just said. Most nes folks known about....and understand about government overreach especially in Massachusetts and a few may....or may not.... plan accordingly with how they apply mass gun law. They are just smart enough to shut the f*** up about it on an open website because they realize that bragging about it when LE is watching negates any perceived benefit from their civil disobedience. See what I'm saying?
Do you have, in your possession, a complete list of make, model, caliber, serial number and types of finish for all of these weapons? No you don't and you never will. Cops, both municipal and private, consider such information to be none of the taxpaying public's business. If you think I am wrong, that's fine. Keep giving them records of every firearm that you own so they will have a complete list to use against you when Maura decides it is confiscation time. Happened in NYC; registered semiauto rifle and shotgun owners each received a certified letter from NYPD demanding that they turn them in or face arrest. Those who refused received a uniformed and heavily armed response. Ask the police in your home town for a complete, detailed list of the weapons in their armory and please don't forget to tell us how you made out. I refuse to comply with registration laws. No good ever results from them.
 
I think the donks have demonstrated the degree and severity of the mental illness that has taken root in all levels of their party by what we've seen in the so called house impeachment process......

If you think for one moment that the same donks wouldnt leap at the opportunity to IMPEACH every single one of trump's judicial appointments should they ever manage to control by even a single vote, both the house and senate you're delusional.

We are dealing with a democrat party full of politicians that are truly and unequivicably suffering from profound mental illness AND have no regard whatsoever for their oath of office or the constitution the swore to uphold

The pols are power hungry maniacs on one hand and on the other they regularly display the maturity level and emotional stability of a 5 year old throwing a temper tantrum......

Much of this is true. But it’s still a FAR cry from what a few of the paranoiac tinfoilers around here are convinced is going to happen RIGHT NOW, MAN!!!! GO TIME!!!!

There isn’t, even remotely, a current US legal mechanism that is likely to result in the .gov, of whatever party, being able to snap its fingers and gank over 300m firearms from its peaceable citizens. There just isn’t, despite the Second Civil War fever-dreams of some posters here.

My post had nothing to do in any way shape or form with advocating violence so why did you attempt to associate it with those actions?

MY POINT is that we've seen and continue to witness criminal/lawless behavior by individuals within government and those actions frequently result in the violation of peoples rights and often time false imprisonment and confiscation of private property......ie gross violations of constitutionally protected rights.

Obama spent 8 years undermining protections against government abuse and trump has spent 3 years trying to get to the bottom of it.....

Look at the comey/rosenstein/brennen/other cabal

Dont even get me started on Clinton

Look at the Pelosi, Schiff, Nadler debaucle

then look at how shamefully the donks in the senate treated Kavenaugh

The dem politicians are animals
 
The dem politicians are animals

ALL politicians are animals.

And even so? Nobody can credibly invent a scenario where the constitution and this country's many, many intertwined political and military officials would realistically result in everyone's guns being seized wholesale, thus "requiring" some sort of military intervention. Which would be, in itself, unlawful anyway.

That's the point of this thread, even if it's not the point of your post per se. All this whining about an alleged "gun confiscation questionnaire" is so much fantasy.
 
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