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As Massachusetts shows, strong gun-safety laws work (Boston Globe)

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"So what makes this state’s gun laws effective? Two elements are key: All gun sales, eventhose from private sellers, incorporate a federal background check at some stage in the process." Good to know... lol.




For gun-safety activists or everyday Massachusetts citizens concerned about gunviolence, it doesn’t get much better than this.
Newly released data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention show
Massachusetts is the state with the least amount of gun violence per capita
, while anew study by
Everytown for Gun Safety
concludes that the Commonwealth has thelowest-in-the-nation per capita costs from gun violence. Building on that good news, US
2/28/2021 As Massachusetts shows, strong gun-safety laws work - The Boston Globe
As Massachusetts shows, strong gun-safety laws work - The Boston Globe 2/4
“Here’s the trifecta: The gun industry in Massachusetts sells more guns nationally thanare manufactured in any other state, and yet we have the lowest per capita gun-deathrate in the nation and the lowest per capita costs from gun injuries and death in thenation,” said Rosenthal, himself a gun owner.
Take all that together, said Rosenthal, and it shows that tough gun laws work, even whilegiving the lie to the gun lobby’s claim that the real goal of gun-safety advocates isbanning the manufacturing, sale, or ownership of firearms. The only firearms that can’tbe sold in Massachusetts that are available other places are military-style assault riflesand so-called
Saturday night specials
.
So what makes this state’s gun laws effective? Two elements are key: All gun sales, eventhose from private sellers, incorporate a federal background check at some stage in theprocess. Secondly, to purchase a gun, someone must first apply to the local police chieffor a renewable license; even if the applicant passes the federal background check, thechief can deny a license if, based on reliable information, he or she deems the applicant arisk to public safety or to themselves.
In the latest available
CDC data
, from 2019, Massachusetts had 3.4 gun deaths per100,000 residents. Worst-ranking Alaska had 24.4 deaths per 100,000 people.
Alaska is hardly an outlier. Other weak-gun-law states are almost as bad. Mississippihad 24.2 gun deaths per 100,000, while Wyoming and New Mexico each suffered 22.3such deaths per 100,000. (Those rates include suicides, criminal deaths, and accidents.) NowEverytown,thenonprofitadvocacygrouplargelyfundedbyformerNewYorkCity Senator Ed Markey hopes to make the Massachusetts approach to guns the model forother states. All of which leaves John Rosenthal, cofounder of Stop Handgun Violence and a long time force for strong gun laws, feeling pretty good.
2/28/2021 As Massachusetts shows, strong gun-safety laws work - The Boston Globe As Massachusetts shows, strong gun-safety laws work - The Boston Globe 3/4
Now Everytown, the nonprofit advocacy group largely funded by former New York Citymayor Michael Bloomberg, has
put a price on gun violence Working with the Pacific Institute for Research and Evaluation, Everytown hasestimated all the expenses associated with shootings, from ambulance costs to medicaltreatment to police and criminal justice to lost income for victims and families to reducedproductivity for employers.
Everytown’s new study estimates that gun carnage costs the nation some $51 billion inlost income, another $10.7 billion in police and criminal justice expenditures, and $3.5billion in medical costs.
Some key take-aways:
▪ From first responders to ambulances to medical care to police and criminal justice, ourfederal, state, and local governments spend almost $35 million
each day coping with gunviolence.
▪ Every gun fatality costs taxpayers $270,000 on average.
▪ The total cost of a hospital stay for a nonlethal gun injury averages $67,245, which isalmost as much as the US median household income of $68,000.
▪ According to a model based on jury awards from motor-vehicle-accident and consumer-product liability cases, gun violence enacts a quality-of-life toll of $214 billion annually.
This report makes obvious that states with higher gun injuries and deaths are sufferingsignificantly greater financial burdens, both in the public sector and among individuals.Louisiana has a per capita cost of almost $1,800. Mississippi’s is about $1,700, Alaska’salmost $1,500. And Massachusetts? Just $261.
Now Markey is introducing
legislation
to offer federal grants to reward states that adoptlaws like ours. If, given the
overwhelming national support for background checks ofall potential gun buyers
, this bill can’t pass the Senate, “then there is going to be nobetter case for removal of the filibuster,” Markey said in an interview.
2/28/2021 As Massachusetts shows, strong gun-safety laws work - The Boston Globe
As Massachusetts shows, strong gun-safety laws work - The Boston Globe 4/4
As for the name of this bill? The Making America Safe and Secure — that is, the MASS —Act.
Would you expect anything less from the Bay State senator determined to make NRAstand for “Not Relevant Anymore”?
Scot Lehigh is a Globe columnist. He can be reached at
[email protected]
. Follow him on Twitter
@GlobeScotLehigh
.
 
"So what makes this state’s gun laws effective? Two elements are key: All gun sales, eventhose from private sellers, incorporate a federal background check at some stage in the process." Good to know... lol.




For gun-safety activists or everyday Massachusetts citizens concerned about gunviolence, it doesn’t get much better than this.
Newly released data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention show
Massachusetts is the state with the least amount of gun violence per capita
, while anew study by
Everytown for Gun Safety
concludes that the Commonwealth has thelowest-in-the-nation per capita costs from gun violence. Building on that good news, US
2/28/2021 As Massachusetts shows, strong gun-safety laws work - The Boston Globe
As Massachusetts shows, strong gun-safety laws work - The Boston Globe 2/4
“Here’s the trifecta: The gun industry in Massachusetts sells more guns nationally thanare manufactured in any other state, and yet we have the lowest per capita gun-deathrate in the nation and the lowest per capita costs from gun injuries and death in thenation,” said Rosenthal, himself a gun owner.
Take all that together, said Rosenthal, and it shows that tough gun laws work, even whilegiving the lie to the gun lobby’s claim that the real goal of gun-safety advocates isbanning the manufacturing, sale, or ownership of firearms. The only firearms that can’tbe sold in Massachusetts that are available other places are military-style assault riflesand so-called
Saturday night specials
.
So what makes this state’s gun laws effective? Two elements are key: All gun sales, eventhose from private sellers, incorporate a federal background check at some stage in theprocess. Secondly, to purchase a gun, someone must first apply to the local police chieffor a renewable license; even if the applicant passes the federal background check, thechief can deny a license if, based on reliable information, he or she deems the applicant arisk to public safety or to themselves.
In the latest available
CDC data
, from 2019, Massachusetts had 3.4 gun deaths per100,000 residents. Worst-ranking Alaska had 24.4 deaths per 100,000 people.
Alaska is hardly an outlier. Other weak-gun-law states are almost as bad. Mississippihad 24.2 gun deaths per 100,000, while Wyoming and New Mexico each suffered 22.3such deaths per 100,000. (Those rates include suicides, criminal deaths, and accidents.) NowEverytown,thenonprofitadvocacygrouplargelyfundedbyformerNewYorkCity Senator Ed Markey hopes to make the Massachusetts approach to guns the model forother states. All of which leaves John Rosenthal, cofounder of Stop Handgun Violence and a long time force for strong gun laws, feeling pretty good.
2/28/2021 As Massachusetts shows, strong gun-safety laws work - The Boston Globe As Massachusetts shows, strong gun-safety laws work - The Boston Globe 3/4
Now Everytown, the nonprofit advocacy group largely funded by former New York Citymayor Michael Bloomberg, has
put a price on gun violence Working with the Pacific Institute for Research and Evaluation, Everytown hasestimated all the expenses associated with shootings, from ambulance costs to medicaltreatment to police and criminal justice to lost income for victims and families to reducedproductivity for employers.
Everytown’s new study estimates that gun carnage costs the nation some $51 billion inlost income, another $10.7 billion in police and criminal justice expenditures, and $3.5billion in medical costs.
Some key take-aways:
▪ From first responders to ambulances to medical care to police and criminal justice, ourfederal, state, and local governments spend almost $35 million
each day coping with gunviolence.
▪ Every gun fatality costs taxpayers $270,000 on average.
▪ The total cost of a hospital stay for a nonlethal gun injury averages $67,245, which isalmost as much as the US median household income of $68,000.
▪ According to a model based on jury awards from motor-vehicle-accident and consumer-product liability cases, gun violence enacts a quality-of-life toll of $214 billion annually.
This report makes obvious that states with higher gun injuries and deaths are sufferingsignificantly greater financial burdens, both in the public sector and among individuals.Louisiana has a per capita cost of almost $1,800. Mississippi’s is about $1,700, Alaska’salmost $1,500. And Massachusetts? Just $261.
Now Markey is introducing
legislation
to offer federal grants to reward states that adoptlaws like ours. If, given the
overwhelming national support for background checks ofall potential gun buyers
, this bill can’t pass the Senate, “then there is going to be nobetter case for removal of the filibuster,” Markey said in an interview.
2/28/2021 As Massachusetts shows, strong gun-safety laws work - The Boston Globe
As Massachusetts shows, strong gun-safety laws work - The Boston Globe 4/4
As for the name of this bill? The Making America Safe and Secure — that is, the MASS —Act.
Would you expect anything less from the Bay State senator determined to make NRAstand for “Not Relevant Anymore”?
Scot Lehigh is a Globe columnist. He can be reached at
[email protected]
. Follow him on Twitter
@GlobeScotLehigh
.

Love when they quote an expert who has no idea what he is talking about. Also Rosenthal the "gun owner" can EABOD.

From his profile...

"What’s your favorite Massachusetts destination?

The North Shore and everywhere off the coast on my sailboat named ONWARD."

Hidden away in the story is the real agenda.
If, given the overwhelming national support for background checks of all potential gun buyers, this bill can’t pass the Senate, “then there is going to be no better case for removal of the filibuster,” Markey said in an interview.
 
a removal of a filibuster, yeah. who needs multitude of opinions, when we know that we are in the doing of the absolute best, and nothing else.
 
Of course strong gun-safety laws work great! Just look at Chicago for example. [thinking]
what do you mean? it is exactly what the law is for. population is terrorized properly, government is in control - they have there exactly what the gun safety law is intended for - to provide safety for the government officials.
 
Saturday night special is a colloquial term in the United States and Canada for inexpensive, compact, small-caliber handguns made of poor quality metal. Some states define these junk guns by means of composition or material strength. It's basically a throw away to shoot some one with. Also it's a great lynerd skynerd song
 
▪ Every gun fatality costs taxpayers $270,000 on average.
Given how cities like Chicago have a homicide clearance rate in the realm of 45%, where is this $270K cost coming from? Are crime scene cleanup services making bank?

Knowing that the average homicide victim usually has a rap sheet nearly as long as the offenders, and most shootees are cut down in the prime of their criminal career, how much does each gun fatality save taxpayers in reduced crime/victimization?
 
"▪ Every gun fatality costs taxpayers $270,000 on average.
These figures fail to account for the other side of the ledger:
  • Social security payments not made to the shootee later in life
  • Medicare payments not made (even with the small premium, Medicare runs at a loss)
  • Nursing home costs if the subject ends up on Medicaid
  • Any form of government aid paid on behalf of the individual (EBT, etc.)
  • If the person is a criminal, the cost of prosecution, public defender, incarceration, parole supervision, etc.
  • Cost of any loss on subsidized and/or defaulted student loans
  • Cost to victims of subject if (s)he is a criminal (covered in previous post)
This is a separate dimension from the human impact of the deaths, but the financial analysis from Rosenthal is flawed as it fails to account for the subtleties and breadth of financial impact.
 
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Those numbers are highly suspect. So they’re saying NH has more gun crime ‘per capital’ than mass?! I smell BS.
Everytown carefully worded the study as "gun violence" in order to include suicides and exclude non-firearm violent crimes.

MA violent crime rate in 2019 was 327/100k residents, NH rate was 152.
 
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Those numbers are highly suspect. So they’re saying NH has more gun crime ‘per capital’ than mass?! I smell BS.
Everytown carefully worded the study as "gun violence" in order to include suicides and exclude non-firearm violent crimes.

MA violent crime rate in 2019 was 327/100k residents, NH rate was 152.

NH has a bit of a suicide rate and given it's easy to buy a gun people tend to use them.

Any gun study that includes suicides in the statistics quoted for making a safe state is basically garbage.

They could look at suicides to try to figure out if guns being easy to access increases the likelihood I guess. But I still don't give a shit.
 
When drilling into the data, you find this for MA:

2005 3.4%
2014 3.2% No data from 2006 - 2013
2015 3.0%
2016 3.4% The two years prior to the AG's fake AWB law, the rate was lower
2017 3.7%
2018 3.5% Two years after the AG's fake AWB law in '17 and '18, the rates rose
2019 3.4%

So, going back to 2005, the change in the data are statistically insignificant for MA.

 
funny.. i get an email this morning for work.. from a Principal looking for an old report.. I find it in an old email from 12 yrs ago... and send it off... she fwds it off to the client..

Client responds to all thanking us for the report.. Of all the people in the world... John Rosenthal..

I told her I wasn't a fan of his and why..
 
New York, Chicago, and Washington D.C. are perfect examples of how gun control doesn't work. Regulating law-abiding citizens does not prevent criminals from buying or using firearms. Putting criminals in jail and keeping them there is the real solutions to preventing more gun crimes. Tell me, how many gun crimes are committed by repeat offenders? So, what does gun control really accomplish, it just makes ignorant people feel good.
 
Saturday night special is a colloquial term in the United States and Canada for inexpensive, compact, small-caliber handguns made of poor quality metal. Some states define these junk guns by means of composition or material strength. It's basically a throw away to shoot some one with. Also it's a great lynerd skynerd song

And usually attributed their ownership to blacks who normally coukdn't afford higher priced handguns.

Every racist oriented gun law in the country is directly attributable to democrats.
 
The title of the article is even messed up. Strong gun-safety laws over the correct gun control. The term gun safety laws is just to make them sound less like gun grabs and more about "safety"
 
"So what makes this state’s gun laws effective? Two elements are key: All gun sales, eventhose from private sellers, incorporate a federal background check at some stage in the process." Good to know... lol.
I believe that is true.

You need to have an LTC which at one point required a federal background check(?).

I know LenS has the names of the exact checks, Triple I(?), and the correct order they are done.

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“Here’s the trifecta: The gun industry in Massachusetts sells more guns nationally than are manufactured in any other state, and yet we have the lowest per capita gun-death rate in the nation and the lowest per capita costs from gun injuries and death in the nation,” said Rosenthal, himself a gun owner.

I would LOVE to know if Rosenthal has at least one magazine that holds more than 10 rounds.


I wish somebody would ask him that and have his answer on record.

"Mr. Rosenthal, if you had to defend yourself and your loved ones from a multiple violent killers in your home - would you prefer to have more than 10 rounds?"

I know he reads this forum.

He might even be a registered member.
 
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Saturday night special is a colloquial term in the United States and Canada for inexpensive, compact, small-caliber handguns made of poor quality metal. Some states define these junk guns by means of composition or material strength. It's basically a throw away to shoot some one with. Also it's a great lynerd skynerd song
I would've positive repped you but the skynard song is about getting rid of those guns which I'm not in on
 
They cite Alaska as having weak firearms laws, leading to deaths. What they omit is that AK has the highest suicide rate in the nation by a long shot.

They have no capacity for shame and will continue to conflate the suicide numbers while failing to identify confounding variables.
I feel like Wyoming is 2 or 3 in suicide rates
 
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