Did you have possession of your SBR’s and suppressors before your tax stamps were approved? How about the braced pistols?
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ATF Final Rule 2021R-08F - Grace Period (and free stamp) Expiring 5/31
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Did you have possession of your SBR’s and suppressors before your tax stamps were approved? How about the braced pistols?
Asaltweapon
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I still need my floaties for the deep end but a copy of my stamp is with my SBR and I’m tickling 11 months on the can.The water's fine, the kids stay in the shallow end.
The really deep water is the other ATF form for a giggle switch.
No need or desire for a bumpy.
NHCraigT
NES Member
^ This is a key point that many don't take into consideration ^
These are some of the real facts:
By filing the amnesty brace application, you are admitting on a legal gvt document, that you either constructed with/without intent, and/or were already in possession of = an illegal SBR, and are now asking for a one-time forgiveness.
With the brace amnesty approval, you WILL NOT receive an official gvt classification stamp, as is the case with an approved Form 1 application.
**** Realize that the ATF = HAS and WILL continue to make random arbitrary rulings and decisions in the unforeseen future (regardless of what some of their past stated public rulings were).
What does that mean?
It means that THEY CAN .... AND .... THEY HAVE gone back and CHANGED what they have officially ruled and announced in the past.****
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Caveman
NES Member
No I didn’t have possession of the SBR’s and suppressors prior to receiving the stamp. I did prepay for them. Yes I do possess the braced pistols. I planned to SBR most of them before this all dropped so I see this as an opportunity. I don’t agree with them or their actions but I did use it to my advantage within the current NFA. I will cheer if/when the NFA gets struck down or SBR’s get removed.
Caveman
NES Member
This is a good reminder. Also prior to the brace rules they were looking for a chance to apply their SBR point system. I could see them doing such if they lose their braces argument. They will just spin it as having nothing to do with the braces but use the rest of their point system.
Caveman
NES Member
It’s not cheaper but I had my own EFT file created using Print Scan at a UPS Store. that way you have the file yourself and can use it as many times as you want. It was $65 for the scan and file.
Fwiw I also did a Passport photo while I was there and had them email me the digital copy.
slap shot
NES Member
So, just walk into the post office with ID? They email you the files? Sorry I’m not familiar. Assuming you need to go to a larger PO?
Edit. Just clicked the link. Shows 2 locations about 20 miles away.
NHCraigT
NES Member
FWIW, some members on ARFcom have done their own finger print cards, and the ATF accepted them.
(The ATF instructions do not state that the print cards have to be done by any "official" LE agencies nor similar entities, which is why Shooters can offer the service). If you have done any official documents with prints, you should already know how its done (hard press with a slight "roll" of each finger tip).
Examples:
Amazon product ASIN B00E9EZZRQView: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00E9EZZRQ/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o06_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Amazon product ASIN B004C5FRK2View: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004C5FRK2/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o05_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
(The ATF instructions do not state that the print cards have to be done by any "official" LE agencies nor similar entities, which is why Shooters can offer the service). If you have done any official documents with prints, you should already know how its done (hard press with a slight "roll" of each finger tip).
Examples:
Amazon product ASIN B00E9EZZRQView: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00E9EZZRQ/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o06_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Amazon product ASIN B004C5FRK2View: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004C5FRK2/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o05_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
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Caveman
NES Member
Fillout the order info on PrintScan.com put your payment info in. make an appt at a nearby Scanner. I used the UPS store in Nashua(they didn’t actually require an appt) It’s self service when you get there. Print Scan gives you a QR code when you finished the online order. Bring your 2 ID’s with you to UPS. They will verify them when you scan your QR into the machine and off you go. once you’re done. Print Scan will verify your prints and email you the file. Mine arrived about 15 minutes after I finished scanning.
That’s where I had my passport photo taken as well.
Caveman
NES Member
You can get fingerprint cards mailed to you from the ATF as well. I have a stack of those. I just don’t trust myself to roll good ink prints. So I went the Electronic route. First through Silencershop using prints I knew would pass. and then used the EFT file from PrintScan.
Someone check me if I'm wrong here...
When a manufacturer assembled an AR-based pistol, that configuration, linked to the model and serial numbers, were reported / approved by the AFT. They advertise them on their website and sell a bunch of them. AFT now knows that Model "P15" serial numbers 11111 through 22222 were designed, marketed and sold as braced pistols or, in their "opinion", short barreled rifles.
Grace period expires and now AFT does a serial number comparison of those "P15" braced pistols that have been registered as SBRs to their original manufacturers list. For the sake of discussion, let's say they find 50 of them that were manufactured and sold but not registered. They then go to the FFLs and get copies of the 4473's for those 50 "P15"s that were transferred but not reported. They discover that Mr. Joe Gunowner owns 5 of them. They do a little research on Joe to see if he will be their Poster Boy and jackpot! Joe is a pretty outspoken 2A supporter. He's white. He has a Trump flag on his house. He has a bunch of posts online disparaging Bud Light drinkers and illegal immigration and CRT. He has online posts and videos of his pistols with their SBA4's and Magpul drums, some even published after the rule took effect.
AFT gets a warrant from an Obama appointed judge to search the residence of Joe Gunowner based on their belief that he is in possession of 5 unregistered short barrel rifles. Because he owns guns it has to be a no-knock middle of the night operation with tanks and BDUs and CNN crews. Doors get kicked in, dogs get shot and an "arsenal" is seized.
Seems extreme but would you put it past them? Echoes of Ruby Ridge...They don't need all of them. They need SOME of them, enough to send the message and sway public sentiment. Hell, look at Maura's "opinion" and how it has MA gunowners afraid of their own shadows.
When a manufacturer assembled an AR-based pistol, that configuration, linked to the model and serial numbers, were reported / approved by the AFT. They advertise them on their website and sell a bunch of them. AFT now knows that Model "P15" serial numbers 11111 through 22222 were designed, marketed and sold as braced pistols or, in their "opinion", short barreled rifles.
Grace period expires and now AFT does a serial number comparison of those "P15" braced pistols that have been registered as SBRs to their original manufacturers list. For the sake of discussion, let's say they find 50 of them that were manufactured and sold but not registered. They then go to the FFLs and get copies of the 4473's for those 50 "P15"s that were transferred but not reported. They discover that Mr. Joe Gunowner owns 5 of them. They do a little research on Joe to see if he will be their Poster Boy and jackpot! Joe is a pretty outspoken 2A supporter. He's white. He has a Trump flag on his house. He has a bunch of posts online disparaging Bud Light drinkers and illegal immigration and CRT. He has online posts and videos of his pistols with their SBA4's and Magpul drums, some even published after the rule took effect.
AFT gets a warrant from an Obama appointed judge to search the residence of Joe Gunowner based on their belief that he is in possession of 5 unregistered short barrel rifles. Because he owns guns it has to be a no-knock middle of the night operation with tanks and BDUs and CNN crews. Doors get kicked in, dogs get shot and an "arsenal" is seized.
Seems extreme but would you put it past them? Echoes of Ruby Ridge...They don't need all of them. They need SOME of them, enough to send the message and sway public sentiment. Hell, look at Maura's "opinion" and how it has MA gunowners afraid of their own shadows.
Bingo. You’ve now given them all the evidence they need to prove you’ve illegally possessed an SBR. They were just nice enough not to charge you yet. After all, that was just their opinion/rule at the time, and not actually the law!
“But they wouldn’t do that!”
They have already. See what they are doing to people with FRT’s and auto key cards and bump stocks. See what they do to people with completely legal and properly registered NFA firearms like this poor guy:
View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=x65LUeAvt_s
View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BnHePnWrBeo
View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2K3uKkicd5k
Sensational and misleading comment? The ATF does not provide an official stamp for e-filed Form 1's either, which I assume you know. The approval is emailed to you so that you can print and keep with the firearm- same goes for the former arm brace SBR. Process is the same except for no payment necessary.
As far as all the "It's a trap!!!" hyperbole, there is 26 U.S.C. 5848. The arm-flappers in this thread should look that one up.
took a half hour to do the prints, no help from staff, and the passport picture person was MIA. Gonna just take em myself and submit.
Yes. We all know the ATF has good honest intentions and would never use this as a reason to ruin people’s lives.
And LMAO about your understanding of that statute as if that’s somehow some safeguard against the government using info against you! Dear lord man.
View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UOmQe8Wvdmw
Well, living in Mass I've already got my "Baa, baa, baa" down pretty good. Other than the ridiculous fixed mag option, one cannot legally have an AR pistol here. I know NH and KY are completely different situations. For here, I can have an SBR but it's gotta have a permission slip from the ATF sheep drivers.
ATF in Massachusetts (the dog)
ATF in Kentucky (still the dog)
This one's for my fellow NES brethren still behind enemy lines in the PRM-
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