Bigotry Rears Its Ugly Head in the City of Newton, MA Against 2A Community and Possibly Destroys a Small Business

[crazymjb]

I think the city has a lot of "problems," but only in the sense that it basically prices normal people out of a good location to live. Maybe things have changed, but it was bad when I grew up there in terms of lack of diversity of thought, and background for that matter, and I'm sure it's worse now given the insane spike in wealth. I won't pretend Newton wasn't an upper-middle class city when my family moved there in the early 90s, but my parents paid what with inflation amounts to a bit under 500K for their home there in 93 (A figure below the average cost of a home in Framingham, now, by the way), and it is now worth 1.2-1.4M. If they were on a bigger lot, it is likely the next buyer would tear it down (despite it being a pretty immaculate and updated colonial) and build a $2-3M house.

People in Newton are infatuated by the idea that they live in Newton, which was evidenced by the hearing last night. I don't think its incorrect to assume many are generally arrogant, as was my experience growing up there. They have money, and they think that makes them better than other people.

 

[Mesatchornug]

I think the city has a lot of "problems," but only in the sense that it basically prices normal people out of a good location to live. Maybe things have changed, but it was bad when I grew up there in terms of lack of diversity of thought, and background for that matter, and I'm sure it's worse now given the insane spike in wealth. I won't pretend Newton wasn't an upper-middle class city when my family moved there in the early 90s, but my parents paid what with inflation amounts to a bit under 500K for their home there in 93 (A figure below the average cost of a home in Framingham, now, by the way), and it is now worth 1.2-1.4M. If they were on a bigger lot, it is likely the next buyer would tear it down (despite it being a pretty immaculate and updated colonial) and build a $2-3M house.

People in Newton are infatuated by the idea that they live in Newton, which was evidenced by the hearing last night. I don't think its incorrect to assume many are generally arrogant, as was my experience growing up there. They have money, and they think that makes them better than other people.

I keep choking on their claiming to be a "welcoming community."

I grew up in a lesser town, but have worked for folks in and around Newton throughout my life. While I've met a couple who turned out great despite the misfortune of growing up there, I've always read the town as being full of smarmy F's who believe their money (and the actual privilege it creates) makes them better than their neighbors. This classism is usually how the Northeast obscures its rampant racism - we don't hate those people for (e.g.) the color of their skin; it's just that their poverty makes them less than us.

 

[Dadstoys]

I think the city has a lot of "problems," but only in the sense that it basically prices normal people out of a good location to live. Maybe things have changed, but it was bad when I grew up there in terms of lack of diversity of thought, and background for that matter, and I'm sure it's worse now given the insane spike in wealth. I won't pretend Newton wasn't an upper-middle class city when my family moved there in the early 90s, but my parents paid what with inflation amounts to a bit under 500K for their home there in 93 (A figure below the average cost of a home in Framingham, now, by the way), and it is now worth 1.2-1.4M. If they were on a bigger lot, it is likely the next buyer would tear it down (despite it being a pretty immaculate and updated colonial) and build a $2-3M house.

People in Newton are infatuated by the idea that they live in Newton, which was evidenced by the hearing last night. I don't think its incorrect to assume many are generally arrogant, as was my experience growing up there. They have money, and they think that makes them better than other people.

 

[crazymjb]

I keep choking on their claiming to be a "welcoming community."

I grew up in a lesser town, but have worked for folks in and around Newton throughout my life. While I've met a couple who turned out great despite the misfortune of growing up there, I've always read the town as being full of smarmy F's who believe their money (and the actual privilege it creates) makes them better than their neighbors. This classism is usually how the Northeast obscures its rampant racism - we don't hate those people for (e.g.) the color of their skin; it's just that their poverty makes them less than us.

Both my parents say they probably wouldn't raise us in Newton again. It's gotten much more gross, in my opinion. But I haven't been to school there for 14 years.

 

[Mesatchornug]

Yeah. I wouldn't want to. I have friends who teach there; I know the school's are good. I couldn't put my kids through that.

I'm happy to be crazy uncle for y'all who are trying, but I have a hard time imagining raising kids today at all.

 

[Waher]

Sad thing is the part of Newton the shop location is the more blue collar side of town with plenty of what was factory/mill worker housing.

Problem is half the town has the same condescending bigoted paternal 'we know better than you unenlightened' attitude. Virtue signaling and charity provides a veneer of the deep resentment they harbor towards the little people.

 

[crazymjb]

I'm pretty sure at this point the remaining blue collar folks are being priced out at the rapid rate. Their kids are moving out, and they are selling their homes for 10X what they paid and living it up. I have a few friends whose folks did this.

 

[Mesatchornug]

I'm pretty sure at this point the remaining blue collar folks are being priced out at the rapid rate.

but it's only "gentrification" when a) someone else does it to you, or b) when it happens over there...

 

[Uzi2]

I think the city has a lot of "problems," but only in the sense that it basically prices normal people out of a good location to live. Maybe things have changed, but it was bad when I grew up there in terms of lack of diversity of thought, and background for that matter, and I'm sure it's worse now given the insane spike in wealth. I won't pretend Newton wasn't an upper-middle class city when my family moved there in the early 90s, but my parents paid what with inflation amounts to a bit under 500K for their home there in 93 (A figure below the average cost of a home in Framingham, now, by the way), and it is now worth 1.2-1.4M. If they were on a bigger lot, it is likely the next buyer would tear it down (despite it being a pretty immaculate and updated colonial) and build a $2-3M house.

People in Newton are infatuated by the idea that they live in Newton, which was evidenced by the hearing last night. I don't think its incorrect to assume many are generally arrogant, as was my experience growing up there. They have money, and they think that makes them better than other people.

That's the practice of "financial discrimination"....aka "class warfare" to keep the undesirables ( in their eyes) out of their neighborhoods.

The general population of Newton are as arrogant as they come. Same goes for Brookline and every other "upscale" community that thinks their shit doesn't stink.

They are all about virtue signalling.......until it affects them directly. Hypocrites of the highest order.

 

[Uzi2]

Sad thing is the part of Newton the shop location is the more blue collar side of town with plenty of what was factory/mill worker housing.

Problem is half the town has the same condescending bigoted paternal 'we know better than you unenlightened' attitude. Virtue signaling and charity provides a veneer of the deep resentment they harbor towards the little people.

Like I stated in another post......The Big Facade.

 

[Matt_SERE]

Like I stated in another post......The Big Facade.

'Eminence Front, It's a put on'

 

[Dr. Claw]

I think the city has a lot of "problems," but only in the sense that it basically prices normal people out of a good location to live. Maybe things have changed, but it was bad when I grew up there in terms of lack of diversity of thought, and background for that matter, and I'm sure it's worse now given the insane spike in wealth. I won't pretend Newton wasn't an upper-middle class city when my family moved there in the early 90s, but my parents paid what with inflation amounts to a bit under 500K for their home there in 93 (A figure below the average cost of a home in Framingham, now, by the way), and it is now worth 1.2-1.4M. If they were on a bigger lot, it is likely the next buyer would tear it down (despite it being a pretty immaculate and updated colonial) and build a $2-3M house.

People in Newton are infatuated by the idea that they live in Newton, which was evidenced by the hearing last night. I don't think its incorrect to assume many are generally arrogant, as was my experience growing up there. They have money, and they think that makes them better than other people.

I've lived in MA most of my life (unfortunately) and those tony towns were always like that, where the upwardly mobile would flock to them so they could make sure everyone knew they lived in one of "those" areas....Newton, Hingham, Cohasset, Winchester, Andover, Dover, Lexington....not saying there aren't exceptions living in the town and certainly some of them are worse than others, but I just figure those types gravitate to those areas.

And even if the schools might be "good" you're still dealing with the current state of the public school system which seems to focus heavily on woke indoctrination

 

[crazymjb]

Woke indoctrination only works on the weak minded. Some of the most successful people I know from the NPS system are pretty damn conservative.

 

[Radtekk]

So much for "Never Again".

I've said it before but if I were a member of the Jewish community I would be armed to the teeth to make DAMN sure "never again".

How soon we forget.

I am. It won't, to me. I haven't.

 

[Dr. Claw]

Woke indoctrination only works on the weak minded. Some of the most successful people I know from the NPS system are pretty damn conservative.

But you're talking about people who already made it through, now things are so different, kids are being taught by activists who aren't constrained by any type of moral conviction to be as objective as possible and the system supports and encourages their forcing opinions and positions on the students from the start.

 

[crazymjb]

But you're talking about people who already made it through, now things are so different, kids are being taught by activists who aren't constrained by any type of moral conviction to be as objective as possible and the system supports and encourages their forcing opinions and positions on the students from the start.

Sounds like it's just as much a failure of parenting.

 

[40 Creedmoor fan]

I am. It won't, to me. I haven't.

Yeah, what he said! This Jew is armed and has convinced 6 other Jewish families(both husband and wife and all adult children) to get their LTC. The fact is if riots begin and Jews are targeted, few will morn for us. We're too white and have all this "Jew money". By the way, if anyone finds some of that Jew money, send me some 'cause I'm a paycheck away from being broke!

 

[fishgutzy]

The best thing to do with Massachusetts (and Connecticut): LEAVE.
And take your tax-dollars-generating business with you.

Did that in 2008. Living so much better on a single income now than we could on two incomes in MA to boot. Feds and the state lost tax revenue from our move.

Re: the proposed ordinance, it is clearly implying that only those who pay the appropriate cash tips to board members will be allowed permits to sell 2A items. That is always the case where a "special permit" is required.

 

[Dr. Claw]

Sounds like it's just as much a failure of parenting.

well if by failure you mean trying to allow your children to find their own way and not trying to force your own opinions and lock them out of all media then sure, absolutely.

it seems like parents are at a competitive disadvantage these days with schools, media, social media, friends parents, friends all drinking the same stuff....you either have to shut them down and pull them out of public schools, or work every minute of every day to counter the narrative they are being sold.

I remember even through high school teachers didn't seem to take sides and it wasn't until I got to the socialist mecca in western MA that I saw what truly biased perspectives presented in "educational" format looked and felt like, but then again I didn't go to public school so I can't speak to that experience.

 

[Coyote33]

But you're talking about people who already made it through, now things are so different, kids are being taught by activists who aren't constrained by any type of moral conviction to be as objective as possible and the system supports and encourages their forcing opinions and positions on the students from the start.

Sounds like it's just as much a failure of parenting.

You must not have school aged kids yet. It is hard discussing ANYTHING with them, let alone what and how they are being taught.

 

[Dadstoys]

I am. It won't, to me. I haven't.

I'm not Jewish , but I spent a fair amount of time with a camp survivor when I was younger.
I learned enough that my mindset is anyone that even hints about doing something like that needs to be terminated with the most extreme
prejudice.
Anyone who speaks the words "It could never happen here" needs to be dope slapped into reality .

 

[crazymjb]

I'm not Jewish , but I spent a fair amount of time with a camp survivor when I was younger.
I learned enough that my mindset is anyone that even hints about doing something like that needs to be terminated with the most extreme
prejudice.
Anyone who speaks the words "It could never happen here" needs to be dope slapped into reality .

Take a listen to the Jocko Podcast in the Armenian genocide. They couldn’t believe it was happening even when it was. Common theme

 

[Dr. Claw]

You must not have school aged kids yet. It is hard discussing ANYTHING with them, let alone what and how they are being taught.

Ours would come home and the little they would say I was like wtf where did that come from....it kept getting more and more extreme.

thankfully the one good thing about COVID was the failing of our school system, we had looked at switching before as the HS parents tour was not the best, but pulled the cord and made the switch to private and now those conversations have toned down a lot, with more discussion on actual classwork.

 

[Coyote33]

Our schools did pretty well, considering. My kids have their heads on straight, for the most part, but they need a constant reminding of right from wrong, and some clear-headed thinking. Given the chance, they will interpret things out pretty well on their own.

 

[FisherTech]

Being that I graduated from high school in 1973, I did not see a lot of the indoctrination. Though at Billerica Memorial High School we did have one English teacher who was a left winged dink, A Kevin McDermott, He was anti military, Anti gun. A true product of the sixties.

 

[Picton]

But you're talking about people who already made it through, now things are so different, kids are being taught by activists who aren't constrained by any type of moral conviction to be as objective as possible and the system supports and encourages their forcing opinions and positions on the students from the start.

You're very much overgeneralizing. You don't know how teaching occurs in every school. And parents have far, far more influence on students' beliefs than even the wokest teacher out there.

Some schools are absolutely like you picture them. Some are the opposite of what you think they are. Most are in the middle somewhere, and each school has its own culture. I student-taught in Newton. When I was urged to apply there, I didn't. Even then, it would have been a bad fit for me. The kids were too entitled, but the entire building was fairly conservative in tone.

 

[Dr. Claw]

You're very much overgeneralizing. You don't know how teaching occurs in every school. And parents have far, far more influence on students' beliefs than even the wokest teacher out there.

Some schools are absolutely like you picture them. Some are the opposite of what you think they are. Most are in the middle somewhere, and each school has its own culture. I student-taught in Newton. When I was urged to apply there, I didn't. Even then, it would have been a bad fit for me. The kids were too entitled, but the entire building was fairly conservative in tone.

absolutely I am overgeneralizing, but you even note that some schools do operate in that way and I have read more than a few stories, social media posts, and incidents which ended up in people coming under fire or being fired in our district for their positions to think it isn't getting more prevalent.

As for parents influence, see my note above...sure parents can force their opinions on their kids pretty effectively, retrospectively that might make the most sense since if the parents aren't activating their kids then schools, social media, and just media are doing it instead, but from my limited observations conservative parents of boys I know have had similar opinions/positions whereas not so much with girls.

 

[TB12]

Firearms sales zoning restrictions unanimously passed the Newton zoning board tonight and goes to the full city council Monday night. Spirited debate tonight over why anyone would have the need to shop at a gun store before 10:00 am. As if anyone would ever be able to open a store with the restricted zoning, insane buffer zones and undefined special permit process.

 

[TB12]

Also several councilors pushing for a complete ban against advice of legal council and several others outright supporting zoning restrictions with goal of making it impossible to open anywhere in the city.

 

[Dr. Claw]

Firearms sales zoning restrictions unanimously passed the Newton zoning board tonight and goes to the full city council Monday night. Spirited debate tonight over why anyone would have the need to shop at a gun store before 10:00 am. As if anyone would ever be able to open a store with the restricted zoning, insane buffer zones and undefined special permit process.

that was the point right, to make it impossible to open a gun store in the town, now it is up to this business owner to sick it out and fight