Bolt action pistol/SBR

[durask]

Came across this thing and I think this may be a fun project because why not.

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[92G]

didn't realize an idea could go above 100% retard. apparently it can.

 

[atmay]

didn't realize an idea could go above 100% retard. apparently it can.

What makes you say that?

 

[Mountain]

The concept is very similar to a Remington XP-100, but with a folding arm brace. What's old is new again. Also in similar category as a Thomson Contender. What's not to like? I can imagine this will not appeal to mall ninjas.

 

[Deleted member 12999]

Might be a take my money scenario

 

[Deleted member 12999]

So.... Because I know NOTHING about nfa/sbr/pistol stuff... Do any armchair attorneys have input on how I'd go about something like this in this hold of a state?

 

[atmay]

So.... Because I know NOTHING about nfa/sbr/pistol stuff... Do any armchair attorneys have input on how I'd go about something like this in this hold of a state?

The hard part, I think, will be finding a virgin and/or pistol receiver. If it’s ever been a rifle, it can’t be a pistol.

Past that, short barrel + brace = handgun. Handgun = no tax stamp.

 

[Deleted member 12999]

The hard part, I think, will be finding a virgin and/or pistol receiver. If it’s ever been a rifle, it can’t be a pistol.

Past that, short barrel + brace = handgun. Handgun = no tax stamp.

I guess my question is, if you are buying everything new, then none of that matters right?

 

[atmay]

I guess my question is, if you are buying everything new, then none of that matters right?

I just don’t know if Remington sells 700 receivers by themselves, or as pistol-length barreled actions.

But to answer your question, if you have a receiver that’s never been part of a rifle, you’re good to go.

 

[JRT]

So.... Because I know NOTHING about nfa/sbr/pistol stuff... Do any armchair attorneys have input on how I'd go about something like this in this hold of a state?

You can buy one from Q like I did. No NFA paperwork required.

 

[ChevyGuy91]

I just don’t know if Remington sells 700 receivers by themselves, or as pistol-length barreled actions.

But to answer your question, if you have a receiver that’s never been part of a rifle, you’re good to go.

https://www.brownells.com/rifle-par...threaded-heavy-barreled-action-prod94615.aspx

Buy this, cut it to your desired length, put it in a chassis with an AR brace, profit?

 

[Deleted member 12999]

Building a Pork Sword Pistol - Black Collar Arms

Hmmmmm

 

[atmay]

https://www.brownells.com/rifle-par...threaded-heavy-barreled-action-prod94615.aspx

Buy this, cut it to your desired length, put it in a chassis with an AR brace, profit?

Can you do that? If so, sounds like a party to me.

 

[atmay]

Building a Pork Sword Pistol - Black Collar Arms

Hmmmmm

Well, shit. They have all the answers, right there, just waiting for us to read them.

 

[ChevyGuy91]

Can you do that? If so, sounds like a party to me.

I have no idea where the paper work is from when I picked up my Howa barreled action last year, but I am pretty sure this is a "firearm" much like an AR receiver, so you get to pick if it is a rifle or a pistol when you finish it.

Honestly, once Howa releases a 300blk Mini action and Brownells sells it, I am ordering one to chop down to ~9" and chassis it into a pistol.

 

[JRT]

Can you do that? If so, sounds like a party to me.

As long as you use a brace and not a stock. If you want the flexibility to use one of the folding stock chassis systems then you have to pay the $200 ticket to the party and wait 10 days for approval.

 

[atmay]

As long as you use a brace and not a stock. If you want the flexibility to use one of the folding stock chassis systems then you have to pay the $200 ticket to the party and wait 10 days for approval.

I guess I failed to realize that the “it’s a rifle” moment is putting a stock on it, and has nothing to do with the barrel length.


Also, that Fix is hella sexy. So spendy though!

 

[JRT]

I guess I failed to realize that the “it’s a rifle” moment is putting a stock on it, and has nothing to do with the barrel length.


Also, that Fix is hella sexy. So spendy though!

I know but I really love their stuff, price aside. I haven’t decided if I will take it in 300BLK or wait for the 8.6 Creedmoor.

 

[drgrant]

I just don’t know if Remington sells 700 receivers by themselves, or as pistol-length barreled actions.

But to answer your question, if you have a receiver that’s never been part of a rifle, you’re good to go.

Well, to some degree it might also be moot, Does the ATF even allow a bare frame to transfer anything besides OTHER these days, even if it was sourced off a rifle?

I know previously it was "once a rifle always a rifle" but if you strip it down, and the dealer transfers it to joe smoe as OTHER, does it get to pick its own gender again and make its own gravy?



-Mike

 

[atmay]

I know but I really love their stuff, price aside. I haven’t decided if I will take it in 300BLK or wait for the 8.6 Creedmoor.

I built myself a ghetto knockoff honey badger.

I’m tempted to do the same with a bolt-action pistol. Not sure I can justify dropping $3500 on just the gun.

 

[Salyeica]

Fugly as Uck, but I still kinda like it

 

[JRT]

I built myself a ghetto knockoff honey badger. View attachment 275725

I’m tempted to do the same with a bolt-action pistol. Not sure I can justify dropping $3500 on just the gun.

That rifle looks great, looks just like the Noveske Ghetto Blaster! I paid $3,300 with the Trash Panda. I’m at 240 days on the Trash Panda so I hope to hear it’s cleared any day.

 

[ChevyGuy91]

Not sure I can justify dropping $3500 on just the gun.

This is why the Howa/Brownells deal is so attractive. With coupons, sales, and activejunky you could likely do a pistol bolt gun for probably around $5-700 before you pay a smith to cut it.

 

[JRT]

This is why the Howa/Brownells deal is so attractive. With coupons, sales, and activejunky you could likely do a pistol bolt gun for probably around $5-700 before you pay a smith to cut it.

I was looking into doing this a few weeks back, the light weight chassis systems are not inexpensive. I saw stuff mostly in the 500 to 1200 range. What are you thinking of for a chassis?

 

[ChevyGuy91]

I was looking into doing this a few weeks back, the light weight chassis systems are not inexpensive. I saw stuff mostly in the 500 to 1200 range. What are you thinking of for a chassis?

I got the Brownells branded MDT chassis last summer for $300 during a sale they were running. Using AJ, I got a % of that in cash back. All together, this rifle cost me ~$700 before the glass and rings.



Funny enough, that chassis is just sitting on a shelf in my shop because the barrel ended up not being what I was expecting/hoping for. I am having the barrel cut and muzzle device pinned to 16" OAL (probably a 14.0" rifle bore) and dropping it into a piller bedded Hogue, with receiver mounted rings, and a PA 1-8x scope for a lighter, more handy rifle that I will actually use. I am pretty sure with my can on it, it will be the same length as my wife's 20" Rem700 SPS, and be a bit lighter. I am very excited about it.

It will likely be a while, but I may just sit on that chassis until Howa jumps on the 8.6 bandwagon, and I will pistol that shit up.

 

[smokey-seven]

The hard part, I think, will be finding a virgin and/or pistol receiver. If it’s ever been a rifle, it can’t be a pistol.

But to answer your question, if you have a receiver that’s never been part of a rifle, you’re good to go.

According to case file, you buy a pistol, you can make it into a rifle and put it back as a pistol. The Thompson Contender was the ATF case where it was a pistol purchased that way, bought a Contender long barrel and then returned it to pistol configuration. You can convert a pistol to rifle but not an as purchsed rifle to pistol without the paperwork.

 

[jkelly1229]

The hard part, I think, will be finding a virgin and/or pistol receiver. If it’s ever been a rifle, it can’t be a pistol.

Past that, short barrel + brace = handgun. Handgun = no tax stamp.

In a state without registration... prove it was a rifle first

 

[KMM696]

In a state without registration... prove it was a rifle first

That would be block 16 of the 4473 form.....

 

[atmay]

In a state without registration... prove it was a rifle first

That would be block 16 of the 4473 form.....

Not to mention, Remington (or Howa, Savage, whoever made it) has a record of what it left the factory as.

“Serial number 12A573? Yeah that’s a 700 SPS”

 

[jkelly1229]

That would be block 16 of the 4473 form.....

I meant more of a stripped lower. Obviously a manufacturer will have record