Bullet taxes

[KBCraig]

Do you know how much you're taxed on sporting goods?

One third of the New Hampshire Fish & Game Commission's funding comes from federal sources. But those "federal sources" come from excise taxes paid on firearms, ammunition, boats, trolling motors, fuel, arrow shafts, even bow quivers. Along with every kind of accessory you never imagined being taxable.

Recreational shooters who don't even hunt pay the lion's share, because all those cases of ammo they shoot up are taxed at 11% of retail.
Only a tiny fraction of handguns are used for a tinier fraction of hunting, but 100% of handguns are taxed at 10% of retail.

Remember all those guns that ATF has declared "not suitable for sporting purposes", like machine guns and other military-esque guns? Those are taxed too, for "sporting purposes".

https://wsfrprograms.fws.gov/Subpages/AboutUs/ItemsTaxedJan2018.pdf

 

[Dennis in MA]

Preach it. Same with fishing gear but it was enacted much much later. Sportsmen, specifically shooters, pay the bulk of the conservation dollars.

 

[Penniepup1]

Pittman/Robertson Act

 

[granitestater]

GOA wrote about this.

GOA SPECIAL REPORT: Your right to self-defense is taxed, and you probably don’t even realize it | Gun Owners of America

 

[boiler_eng]

Do you know how much you're taxed on sporting goods?

One third of the New Hampshire Fish & Game Commission's funding comes from federal sources. But those "federal sources" come from excise taxes paid on firearms, ammunition, boats, trolling motors, fuel, arrow shafts, even bow quivers. Along with every kind of accessory you never imagined being taxable.

Recreational shooters who don't even hunt pay the lion's share, because all those cases of ammo they shoot up are taxed at 11% of retail.
Only a tiny fraction of handguns are used for a tinier fraction of hunting, but 100% of handguns are taxed at 10% of retail.

Remember all those guns that ATF has declared "not suitable for sporting purposes", like machine guns and other military-esque guns? Those are taxed too, for "sporting purposes".

https://wsfrprograms.fws.gov/Subpages/AboutUs/ItemsTaxedJan2018.pdf

I am ok with paying taxes that pay for conservation, as long as a proportional amount of areas are available for such sporting purposes and anyone who opposes those activities is considered a persona non grata.

 

[KBCraig]

I'm writing about it because the "conservation" [sic] groups want to take over NH Fish & Game.

They're not conservationists. They're preservationists who don't understand how nature works. They want everyone to pay for their birdwatching and hiking, while having no clue how conservation is actually funded.

 

[Dennis in MA]

Dingle Johnson!

 

[38ExtraSpecial]

The issue isn't the conservation taxes. As usual the issue is that the people in charge are misusing the taxes and employing anti gun D bag fudds with the money.
More worried about bird sanctuaries and hiking trails than hunters.

 

[boiler_eng]

I'm writing about it because the "conservation" [sic] groups want to take over NH Fish & Game.

They're not conservationists. They're preservationists who don't understand how nature works. They want everyone to pay for their birdwatching and hiking, while having no clue how conservation is actually funded.

I agree with you, they should be very aware of where their funding comes from and deeply respect it. My trap habit or plinking at the range, I am happy to subsidize a balenced ecosystem where I have the option enjoying some of those resources.

I think the ethical thing to do would be to pay a nominal and donation if all one does is hiking or birdwatching in those resources, if one can afford it. $30-50 is a small amount to pay to support a joint resource.

 

[ChevyGuy91]

Soooooooo, we should disband F&G? I'm in.

 

[Arto]

Study up on the Pittman-Robertson Act of 1937 - Sportsmen themselves asked to be taxed to fund wildlife conservation... that's why you see deer & turkeys everywhere now !
Some of the $ are also used for public ranges & Hunter Safety Classes to pass on our traditions to the next generations

The North American Model of Wildlife Conservation is so successful because of us! We are the REAL Conservationists, not AOC, Greta, & Al Gore!

https://www3.nssf.org/share/PDF/safety/HunterFactCard.pdf

Sportsmen and Women Pump More than $93 Billion into US Economy • NSSF

Pittman-Robertson Act | US | Hunter Ed.com™

Study the topic “Pittman-Robertson Act” from the official National Hunter Ed Course Study Guide.

www.hunter-ed.com

 

[Mark from MA]

I'm writing about it because the "conservation" [sic] groups want to take over NH Fish & Game.

They're not conservationists. They're preservationists who don't understand how nature works. They want everyone to pay for their birdwatching and hiking, while having no clue how conservation is actually funded.

This......we all pay for conservation with our sporting goods tax dollars. Then the leftist anti hunter, green party or whatever, a**h***s now want to take over those boards and stop hunting, fishing, and whatever they don't feel is nice towards wildlife. Controlling OUR dollars and using them against us.

Hell...I'm in MA and can't hunt on Sunday in my state. I feel my state should lose 1/7th of it Pittman Robertson funds. Or where they enact gun control and you can't shoot or hunt.....those funds should not be paid to those locale's.

And I cant even get started on the bikers, walkers, birdwatchers etc, who use lands paid for by Pittman Robertson, without paying anything into the fund. And they get to use them on Sunday!!! Motherf***ers!!

 

[granitestater]

As far as I’m concerned, GOA is 100% correct it is an anti gun tax on self defense guns. Why should non hunters subsidize other people’s hobbies? And as GOA pointed out, the hunter now want to extend the tax to reloading tools and components. Screw them all.... this is way out of line and needs to stop. If they are short on funds then raise the price of a hunting license so those who hunt pay for their own hobby but please don’t tax a constitutional right.

 

[TrashcanDan]

It all goes to the m.b.t.a.

 

[FisherTech]

This......we all pay for conservation with our sporting goods tax dollars. Then the leftist anti hunter, green party or whatever, a**h***s now want to take over those boards and stop hunting, fishing, and whatever they don't feel is nice towards wildlife. Controlling OUR dollars and using them against us.

Hell...I'm in MA and can't hunt on Sunday in my state. I feel my state should lose 1/7th of it Pittman Robertson funds. Or where they enact gun control and you can't shoot or hunt.....those funds should not be paid to those locale's.

And I cant even get started on the bikers, walkers, birdwatchers etc, who use lands paid for by Pittman Robertson, without paying anything into the fund. And they get to use them on Sunday!!! Motherf***ers!!

Mass. Is losing P-R money. They are seeing less of it because of the decline in licenses being sold or issued (issued, refers to the free licenses to those over 68 years old) As the Sunday hunting that has nothing to with F&W, it has to with the legislature as it is a "STATUTE" not a regulation. That is derived from the very puritanical days of the "Colony"

 

[FisherTech]

As to the proposed legislation, Let us look back to why in this state that it got its start. Remember when NHFC got into the urinating contest with the Fish and Game Commissioners When that board over stepped their bounds (since then most of the board has been replaced) The NHFC were the ones that proposed that Bill and the New Hampshire Wildlife Coalition supported the endeavor. Now NHWC are pursuing it on their own with the support of HSUS.

 

[Broc]

This......we all pay for conservation with our sporting goods tax dollars. Then the leftist anti hunter, green party or whatever, a**h***s now want to take over those boards and stop hunting, fishing, and whatever they don't feel is nice towards wildlife. Controlling OUR dollars and using them against us.

Hell...I'm in MA and can't hunt on Sunday in my state. I feel my state should lose 1/7th of it Pittman Robertson funds. Or where they enact gun control and you can't shoot or hunt.....those funds should not be paid to those locale's.

And I cant even get started on the bikers, walkers, birdwatchers etc, who use lands paid for by Pittman Robertson, without paying anything into the fund. And they get to use them on Sunday!!! Motherf***ers!!

Dont forget that leftist will be the first ones to complain there are too many ticks, too many coyotes, too many deer ... and will soon ask for people to kill them because it inconvenience them.

 

[MassPete]

Study up on the Pittman-Robertson Act of 1937 - Sportsmen themselves asked to be taxed to fund wildlife conservation... that's why you see deer & turkeys everywhere now !
Some of the $ are also used for public ranges & Hunter Safety Classes to pass on our traditions to the next generations

The North American Model of Wildlife Conservation is so successful because of us! We are the REAL Conservationists, not AOC, Greta, & Al Gore!

https://www3.nssf.org/share/PDF/safety/HunterFactCard.pdf

Sportsmen and Women Pump More than $93 Billion into US Economy • NSSF

Pittman-Robertson Act | US | Hunter Ed.com™

Study the topic “Pittman-Robertson Act” from the official National Hunter Ed Course Study Guide.

www.hunter-ed.com

Thank you for posting this. Always a great reminder that the sportsman are responsible for all this conservation. It's a great argument when confronted by an anti-hunting liberal. We have collected over 18 billion dollars since its inception.

 

[KBCraig]

As to the proposed legislation, Let us look back to why in this state that it got its start. Remember when NHFC got into the urinating contest with the Fish and Game Commissioners When that board over stepped their bounds (since then most of the board has been replaced) The NHFC were the ones that proposed that Bill and the New Hampshire Wildlife Coalition supported the endeavor. Now NHWC are pursuing it on their own with the support of HSUS.

Can you clarify this timeline?

 

[FisherTech]

Can you clarify this timeline?

Really Kevin!! You were part of the conversation about this, on this very site. I don't know how to look up past threads.

 

[amm5061]

Dont forget that leftist will be the first ones to complain there are too many ticks, too many coyotes, too many deer ... and will soon ask for people to kill them because it inconvenience them.

Straight up f*** those people. I hope they all get attacked by coyotes and catch lyme disease.

 

[Dennis in MA]

Straight up f*** those people. I hope they all get attacked by coyotes and catch lyme disease.

Let them get bit by Lyme Coyotes! LOL


Best in life is the folks on MV and the'Tucket. Deer populations have exploded in the last 20-30 years. But they are cyute widdle deahs. So they continue to explode out of control. Your best bet of getting Lyme in the entire WORLD is MV and Tucket.

The latest idea: Introduce some sort of wasp that eats deer ticks or something. ROFL!!!! OR. . . . . introduce hunters more to reduce the deer population. Less deer, less ticks, less Lyme. It's simple math. Instead, let's introduce another invasive insect species into the area. Unreal!

 

[Broc]

Let them get bit by Lyme Coyotes! LOL


Best in life is the folks on MV and the'Tucket. Deer populations have exploded in the last 20-30 years. But they are cyute widdle deahs. So they continue to explode out of control. Your best bet of getting Lyme in the entire WORLD is MV and Tucket.

The latest idea: Introduce some sort of wasp that eats deer ticks or something. ROFL!!!! OR. . . . . introduce hunters more to reduce the deer population. Less deer, less ticks, less Lyme. It's simple math. Instead, let's introduce another invasive insect species into the area. Unreal!

Or, let people deal with the consequences of moving to a certain place.

I am not against hunting, but I cant stand it when someone moves out to the woods, or moves somewhere with a known (insert animal) population, and starts complaining about all the animals and tries to kill them.

 

[jek]

I think we need more permits! Stargazing, birdwatching,......

 

[Twigg]

Just another slice in the death of a thousand cuts.

 

[FisherTech]

"New Hampshire Fish and Games anti-gun activists, Kevin Jordan (left) and Glen Normandeau who fought against Constitutional Carry, decriminalizing carrying loaded rifles in cars and extending Constitutional Carry to snowmobiles. Their department is funded with close to $500,000 in Federal Gun Tax money."

This is Rice spreading more of his BULLSHIT!! It was the Fish and Game Commissioners who authored that letter. He knows it, you folks know it.

Also, Come this March, Normandeau will no longer be the Executive Director. He has been told that he is not being reappointed.

 

[granitestater]

Lets face it, Rice and GOA are making truthful points that you wild life people don't like to hear. The reality is even if New Hampshire Fish and Game was not an ant-gun organization, hunters and forest users want other people, namely gun owners who don't use the woods and fields and just shoot to fund their hobby. That is patently unfair, its, well its socialistic. I for one don't hunt, don't use the woods, don't care about wildlife and resent being fleeced for 11% when I buy ammunition and 10% when I buy a handgun. And according to the GOA article some hunters now want to extend the tax to reloading components and tools. Its pretty obvious that GOA will fight that but you never know what the compromisers at NRA will do.....

 

[Fritz the Cat]

If you try to sit, I'll tax your seat If you get too cold, I'll tax the heat If you take a walk, I'll tax your feet. Cause I'm the taxman!

ETA: not me personally. I'm quoting some English guys.

 

[FisherTech]

Lets face it, Rice and GOA are making truthful points that you wild life people don't like to hear. The reality is even if New Hampshire Fish and Game was not an ant-gun organization, hunters and forest users want other people, namely gun owners who don't use the woods and fields and just shoot to fund their hobby. That is patently unfair, its, well its socialistic. I for one don't hunt, don't use the woods, don't care about wildlife and resent being fleeced for 11% when I buy ammunition and 10% when I buy a handgun. And according to the GOA article some hunters now want to extend the tax to reloading components and tools. Its pretty obvious that GOA will fight that but you never know what the compromisers at NRA will do.....

Okay, Then get the Federal laws changed that provide for this.

 

[ChevyGuy91]

Okay, Then get the Federal laws changed that provide for this.

Well yeah, but in the mean time let's disband F&G.