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Can cannon now sbr?
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warwickben
bubba Kalashnikov
There counting the first 90 Feg hole jfc yeah a bullet going to randomly turn 90 degs and shoot out the side.
Sounds like the problem could have easily been fixed if the barrel was chambered to accept blanks and blanks only...
I'm guessing all they did was purchase commercially available AR barrels and modify them by drilling a few vent holes.
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warwickben
bubba Kalashnikov
It's a normal 6-10 inch barrel with holes drilled.
ATF is counting the first hole for the sbr status.
There a muzzle brake that shoots cans for u under 100$
It's a normal 6-10 inch barrel with holes drilled.
ATF is counting the first hole for the sbr status.
There a muzzle brake that shoots cans for u under 100$
The one he had at the shoot was shorter: Three holes and the end was capped. What you have pictured is different that what MFL/Shooters had at the NES shoot. I asked and he took it apart for me. Perhaps that was an early model and they have changed production, or perhaps I am misremembering.
warwickben
bubba Kalashnikov
I was just posting a picture to show its just a normal barrel . Not a two part barrel that would give you a 1.5 inch barrel that could fire a round like this .
There counting the first home as the end .
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I agree with the ATF on this one too, someone could get hurt. IMHO you should also have to get a permit at the fire department to posses one of these devices, its only $12 guys, its not really taking away any of your freedom.
warwickben
bubba Kalashnikov
Not sure if serious lol.
If it has a welded in plug I don't think it should be a sbr. Sbr is better then a dd tho .
taking away freedom ... $12 at a time
He isn't serious; he is getting back at me for the storage permit thread.
They made a few poor design decisions to save money and the ATF ****ed them over because of it. I'm not entirely surprised at the result as much as I hate the ATF and think its stupid. Wishing things were different doesn't change the reach of an agency serving King Hussein.
Full text of the ATF letter is up on their website.
Looks like the issue is that the barrel is not totally sealed at the muzzle, still has a removable set-screw as the only thing preventing firing live ammo?
Looks like the issue is that the barrel is not totally sealed at the muzzle, still has a removable set-screw as the only thing preventing firing live ammo?
I doubt it; any more energy and the cans would not make it out the "barrel". As it stands, cheap store-brand soda tends to disintegrate at launch.
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warwickben
bubba Kalashnikov
Don't tell me you really think we should need a permit to store ammo ......
The one I saw had a round end, three rows of holes, and would not have let a bullet escape. It was neither welded nor closed with a screw: The end was part of the barrel portion.
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Hell no but if my house insurance company says I should have one for them to pay out then I am damn sure going to get one. Choosing between a permission slip and a total loss on everything I own? Some battles aren't worth fighting.
Interesting. Does it match with the barrel image shown in the determination letter?
I suspect all that's really necessary, for an owner of the version with the set screw, is to silver-solder the screw so it cannot be removed.
That said, if anybody owns one and wants it out of their control, I'd like one to try on an SBR lower. Looks like fun, just not $400 worth of fun.
Tough to tell bc you can't see the end but I see where in the pic there are 3 holes on one line and 4 holes offsetting them. Based on what I see I may be misremembering what I saw and there could have been a small hole in the end. I was distracted by the RPK, sue me.
MachineHead
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I clearly see thou art jesting.
warwickben
bubba Kalashnikov
You mean the pkm or the krink ?
The June 2015 review at TFB claims "The chamber is modified so that it only accepts blanks. In the event you accidentally mix up a live .223/5.56 round in the the magazine, the round will not chamber and the BCG will stay out of battery.", however the user manual doesn't mention this feature.
The ATF should be corner STORE.. They'd make more money selling class 3, ammo, cannons, booze and cigarettes than they ever would as an enforcement agency. "For sale, one slightly use M1A tank."
I'm surprised that they didn't design it that way from the very beginning simply to avoid, or minimize any potential personal injury lawsuit should
someone be careless, or stupid enough to chamber a live round.
Question now is will they issue a recall to correct the flaw (either by rechambering the barrel, or welding the plug/set screw), or offer a full refund to buyers?
warwickben
bubba Kalashnikov
Pkm = beltfed 7.62x54r
Rpk = 7.62x39 or 5.45 ak with bulged trunnions longer thicker barrel . Normaly issue with 40 rd mags or drums. It fills the role of a saw.
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warwickben
bubba Kalashnikov
Correct, you ATF fellator
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