Does anyone knows if Caracal is MA-compliant
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Caracal 9mm
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No, and likely never in a million years. Martha would shit her pants if she knew about the trigger on those.Don't know if they make 10 round mags for them yet, either.
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What is so special, or evil, about the trigger?
It's ridiculously short (not much pretravel) and not very heavy pull. That guy Bubits that worked on the Steyr-M pistols also worked on these guns. The Steyrs have a similarly good trigger.
With something like a Steyr-M or a Caracal, there is no waffle margin for trigger control. Let's put it this way, if DEA guy Lee Paige had one he would have shot himself in the leg at home before he even made it to that school.
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It's ridiculously short (not much pretravel) and not very heavy pull. That guy Bubits that worked on the Steyr-M pistols also worked on these guns. The Steyrs have a similarly good trigger.
With something like a Steyr-M or a Caracal, there is no waffle margin for trigger control. Let's put it this way, if DEA guy Lee Paige had one he would have shot himself in the leg at home before he even made it to that school.
-Mike
Ohh, cool. I don't think I want one, but for some reason they interest me.
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Triggers are awesome on these!!
Hey look - No BS, none, zero ...
These compact Caracals with the QS system are without a doubt the nicest 9mm I have ever fired. Accurate beyond human capabilities. Quick sighting is an understatement it's almost impossible to miss. The trigger is S U P E R B, short reset, about 3lbs, that's a guess though.
I URGE anyone in the market for a G19 sized 9mm to look hard at these - they blow away all the competition. I have been collecting shooting firearms for over 45 years, had just about anything and everything you can think of in my hands, and this is the real deal.
These compact Caracals with the QS system are without a doubt the nicest 9mm I have ever fired. Accurate beyond human capabilities. Quick sighting is an understatement it's almost impossible to miss. The trigger is S U P E R B, short reset, about 3lbs, that's a guess though.
I URGE anyone in the market for a G19 sized 9mm to look hard at these - they blow away all the competition. I have been collecting shooting firearms for over 45 years, had just about anything and everything you can think of in my hands, and this is the real deal.
I was wrong about the pull distance on these. Best way to describe the trigger is like "a really cleaned up Glock trigger.". The pull weight isn't 3 lbs, more like 5 ish, but it is very clean with a short positive reset. Neat guns, they will have a winner if they can get their foot in the door marketing wise/support wise.
-Mike
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They claim .3" travel with a weight of just under 5 pounds. They seem as ergonomic as the Glock. It was made by the crew who did the Steyr MA-1 or whatever, which was a design proposed to Glock by their staff who where going to try to give it a straight upgrade. After Glock denied this, they went to Steyr (Great pistol, that MA-1, but it doesn't have a lot of support following it.) and now made the Caracal. The caracal is cheap as hell but designed well, people who use it say their iconic sighting system is great and there's very little recoil.
Unfortunately it isn't MA compliant and most likely never will be. IIRC, neither is the MA-1. They're like Glocks with some improvements mechanically.
Unfortunately it isn't MA compliant and most likely never will be. IIRC, neither is the MA-1. They're like Glocks with some improvements mechanically.
I'd love to have one. Anyone from a free state moving to MA? Bring one for me and I'll be glad to pay $100 over sticker price.
how wonderful would it be if there was a loophole that would allow dealer to sell just a stripped frame
and the rest of the parts as a parts kit separately?
and the rest of the parts as a parts kit separately?
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I knew that it exist, just was wondering if any dealer actually does it.
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Most companies will not sell just a frame and will only sell a gun not parts. As a dealer if you purchase a gun you have to bound book it as a gun not as parts, once it is booked as a gun it has to transferred as a gun and thats the problem. No loop hole with this, it is a gun the dealer's hands are tied and must comply with the list and AG's Regs. The thing with 1911's is you can purchase a frame that was never a gun and transfer that frame on a 4473 no state FA10 because it is not a gun as far as Mass. is concerned. Once you own the frame you can or you can have someone build it into a gun because it is your property then you register your gun on a FA10 no state dealer transfer no problem with the state or the dealer. That is the loop hole.
If you could find gun companies that would only sell frames and assorted parts and not a complete gun this could be done just like with a 1911 frame. A dealer can not just purchase a gun and not bound book it until it was dissassembled and booked as a frame only because it is a gun as per the mmanufacturer.
If you could find gun companies that would only sell frames and assorted parts and not a complete gun this could be done just like with a 1911 frame. A dealer can not just purchase a gun and not bound book it until it was dissassembled and booked as a frame only because it is a gun as per the mmanufacturer.
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good explanation. thank you. +1
So you're telling me an 01 FFL cannot purchase a handgun, tear it down for parts, and then sell and transfer only the frame? That doesn't make any sense to me. As far as the feds are concerned that frame will always transfer as some kind of firearm anyways, its just a matter of which box gets checked when the 4473 gets filled out. (and now I think bare frames are "other" or some crud like that). Before that administrative rule change they transferred as handguns or rifles, depending on what the intended use of the frame was for.
-Mike
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It's kind of hard to bound book as parts when you receive a gun on invoice from a manufacturer or distributor. You have to book what you receive. Purchasing gun and booking it as parts would certainly cause concern in an ATF bound book audit. Once it is booked as a gun you can't sell it as parts because it is a complete gun in the bound book. You don't want to jerk the ATF around.
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