Dude I got a new M&P

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So I went out today and shopped around a little bit and bought a new full size M&P in 40s&w. When I bought it and they said it didnt have the mag release safety but it had the internal safety. I got it home and looked it over and read the directions and it doesnt have either safety feature. It kinda sucked that it didnt have the safeties but other then that this thing is a beast. Realistically I would have never used the internal safety anyway and the when would I have ever needed a mag safety. Anyway I cant wait to go to the range today and put a box of ammo thru it. What kind of self defense ammo do you guys suggest I use? Also did anyone else pick up any new toys on the tax free weekend that the want to tell us about?
Dennis
 
I am not sure what you mean by "did not have the internal safety." Inherent in its design, the M&P has an internal safety mechanism to prevent it from being fired if dropped or otherwise discharge until the trigger is pulled.

The magazine safety prevents a pistol from being fired unless a magazine is inserted in the pistol's magazine well. This was first widely popularized with the Browning Hi-Power {although the Hi-Power was not the first to have this feature) and later S&W semi-automatic pistols, although the feature is found frequently in other European makes, and some production runs of various Colt pocket pistols. The mag safety is somewhat controversial. Many do not like this feature because they maintain that the pistol cannot be fired single shot if the magazine is lost, nor can the pistol fire while reloading. Others like it and maintain that it can be used as a sort of "kill switch" if one is in a weapons retention situation. If one is about to lose the weapon in a struggle, the magazine release button can be pushed, ejecting the magazine from the magazine well thus rendering the pistol inert. According to Massad Ayoob, there are documented cases of this happening. There are also reports of the magazine release button being pushed while a pistol is in the holster causing the magazine to drop slightly from the magazine well but not totally ejecting it, but moving it just far enough that the magazine safety is engaged. When the pistol is drawn and presented, it will not fire.

I have owned pistols that have this feature, and I have owned pistols that don't have this feature. I personally have a tendency to support the argument of the pro-magazine safety camp, but I don't lose any sleep if the pistol I have or am using doesn't have this feature. Some people, however, are quite vehement in their opposition to it.

Congratulations on your puchase. I hope that your new pistol is to your liking and that it gives you many years of accurate and reliable service.

Mark L.
 
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The "internal safety" on the M&Ps (using S&W's terminology) refers to a key-activated system, rather than an internal blocking system.
 
for self defense ammo Federal HST is great. Go for the 147 grain.

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M&P .40

Hi guys,

I am also looking into buying the M&P .40...will be my first purchase of a firearm. I have a few questions I need help with.

1. What is the real deal on Mass compliant? I have heard conflicting stories on "Mass compliant" the guys at smith and wesson when I fired thier demo stated that the magazine safety and internal key lock feature is a must for "Mass compliant" but a local gun shop said neither is required. S&W went as far as saying they only sell 1 model in mass and it has both.

2. Can I have the trigger travel distance and pull reduced to a more comfortable and accurate setting?...After fireing the test model I loved everything about it....except the travel of the trigger and the pull of it..I realize it needs to have 10 pounds of pull to be mass leagal... I read a post on here that said it isn't illeagal, but again the guys at S&W said it would be and would void the warranty on the gun.

3. Also the S&W guys stated that if I were to use the gun in a defensive situtation after the the trigger modification...now matter how "in the right I was "....I would be in a heap of trouble (jail time was mentioned) for having this done.

I am a military member, good citizen, law abiding, etc etc...I absolutely do not want to break any laws, but these Mass compliant laws and regs are confusing, unclear and rediculous. These laws/and regs...not to mention the fact that the city of Chicopee will not issue an "all lawful purposes" or "no restriction" class A to anyone but L.E regaurdless of military etc, etc...Have me reconsidering if its even worth it.....

Thanks for any help
Ron
 
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corlissrh said:
Hi guys,

I am also looking into buying the M&P .40...will be my first purchase of a firearm. I have a few questions I need help with.

1. What is the real deal on Mass compliant? I have heard conflicting stories on "Mass compliant" the guys at smith and wesson when I fired thier demo stated that the magazine safety and internal key lock feature is a must for "Mass compliant" but a local gun shop said neither is required. S&W went as far as saying they only sell 1 model in mass and it has both.

2. Can I have the trigger travel distance and pull reduced to a more comfortable and accurate setting?...After fireing the test model I loved everything about it....except the travel of the trigger and the pull of it..I realize it needs to have 10 pounds of pull to be mass leagal... I read a post on here that said it isn't illeagal, but again the guys at S&W said it would be and would void the warranty on the gun.

3. Also the S&W guys stated that if I were to use the gun in a defensive situtation after the the trigger modification...now matter how "in the right I was "....I would be in a heap of trouble (jail time was mentioned) for having this done.

I am a military member, good citizen, law abiding, etc etc...I absolutely do not want to break any laws, but these Mass compliant laws and regs are confusing, unclear and rediculous. These laws/and regs...not to mention the fact that the city of Chicopee will not issue an "all lawful purposes" or "no restriction" class A to anyone but L.E regaurdless of military etc, etc...Have me reconsidering if its even worth it.....

Thanks for any help
Ron
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With the work of a good gunsmith, you can have the mag disconnect safety and key lock removed. You can also have the trigger pull and length to reset reduced.

My gunsmith is Greg Derr. He is a dealer member here on NES and his web site is www.derrprecision.com. He is one of the best around, and an Olympian pistol shooter.

As far as defensive shootings go, a good shoot is a good shoot no matter how light or short the trigger pull is. Make sure you know the self-defense law where you live.
 
I bought mine from Four Seasons, new. And there was no magazine safety. You can be sure they wouldn't sell a gun that they had any idea might possibly be illegal. I took mine to Greg Derr to get the trigger fixed. The pre-repaired trigger was so bad it actually made the gun dangerous... if you ever need to defend yourself, you want to be accurate and not have a crappy trigger causing you to miss the BG by several feet and hit something/someone else.
 
The internal lock is NOT a safety. It plays no part in preventing negligent discharges while the gun is in use.

It is nothing more than a built in storage lock. No different than the padlock that comes in the box with the gun. Disabling it or removing it violates no laws and does not attach any liability in a deliberate use of the firearm.
 
Jose said:
The internal lock is NOT a safety. It plays no part in preventing negligent discharges while the gun is in use.

It is nothing more than a built in storage lock. No different than the padlock that comes in the box with the gun. Disabling it or removing it violates no laws and does not attach any liability in a deliberate use of the firearm.
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Not to mention even WRT the M+P appearance of it is patently rare. The impression that I get is that you'd have to go out of your way to order an M+P with one in it, because nobody wants one of the damned things. [laugh]

-Mike
 
Thanks for all the answers so far...how about the legality and waranty questions...does it void the warranty to have the trigger mod?....and after the mod is the gun still mass leagal?
 
From what I have read it does not void the warranty as long as you have documentation that it was a licensed gunsmith. I just got home from the range after putting 100 rounds thru my M&P, man I love this gun right out of the box without a trigger job. I have a sigma 9mm and from shooting that to shooting this is like comparing apples and oranges. I never realized how much the trigger sucked in sigma, that thing has to have a 15LB pull. I can shoot it fairly well but it just doesn't come close to the M&P's trigger and stability. I took some vids I'm going to post them on youtube, I'll post the link in this thread later tonight.

Dennis
 
My first handgun

Got my bonus money for last month's hard work and decided it's time to finally join a range and buy a pistol. I've had my LTCA for about 10 months. I haven't shot too many handguns but I've been looking. I'm used to long guns mostly. I wanted something cheap to shoot and fairly comfortable. I picked up a S&W 9mm with 4 mags for under $300. I can't wait to get some rounds through it.
 
The only safety you need is between your ears. The magazine safety is a pointless device that makes you and your gun less reliable and you do not want it anyway.
 
Jose said:
There is no such thing as a licensed gunsmith.
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No large capacity weapon or large capacity feeding device shall be removed from the premises except for the purposes of: (i) transferring such firearm or feeding device to a licensed dealer; (ii) transporting such firearm or feeding device to a licensed gunsmith for repair;
Ch140 Sec 131 MGL
 
Jose said:
There is no such thing as a licensed gunsmith.
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Wrong.

Again. [slap]

M.G.L.c. 140, § 122. Licenses; contents; fingerprints of applicants; procedure on refusal of license; fees; punishment for improper issuance.

The chief of police or the board or officer having control of the police in a city or town, or persons authorized by them, may, after an investigation into the criminal history of the applicant to determine eligibility for a license under this section, grant a license to any person to sell, rent or lease firearms, rifles, shotguns or machine guns, or to be in business as a gunsmith.


M.G.L.c. 140, § 123. Conditions of licenses.

Eleventh, That the second, fifth, eighth and ninth conditions shall not apply to a gunsmith with regard to repair or remodeling or servicing of firearms, rifles or shotguns unless said gunsmith has manufactured a firearm, rifle or shotgun for the purchaser, but said gunsmith shall keep records of the work done by him together with the names and addresses of his customers. Such records shall be kept open for inspection by the police at all times.


M.G.L.c. 140, § 128. Penalty for violation of statute on selling, renting or leasing weapons; evidence on sale of machine gun.

Section 128. Any licensee under a license described in section one hundred and twenty-three, and any employee or agent of such a licensee, who violates any provision of said section required to be expressed in the second, fourth, sixth, seventh, eighth, ninth, sixteenth, eighteenth, nineteenth, twentieth or twenty-first condition of said license, and except as provided in section one hundred and twenty-eight A, any person who, without being licensed as herein-before provided, sells, rents or leases a firearm, rifle, shotgun or machine gun, or is engaged in business as a gunsmith, shall be punished by a fine of not less than $1,000 nor more than $10,000, or by imprisonment for not less than one year nor more than ten years, or by both such fine and imprisonment.


G.L.c. 140, § 131. Licenses to carry firearms; Class A and B; conditions

No large capacity weapon or large capacity feeding device shall be removed from the premises except for the purposes of: (i) transferring such firearm or feeding device to a licensed dealer; (ii) transporting such firearm or feeding device to a licensed gunsmith for repair;


G.L.c. 269, § 10. Carrying dangerous weapons; possession of machine gun

... or (v) any gunsmith duly licensed under the applicable federal law.


Here's a dime. Buy a clue. [rolleyes]
 
Cross-X said:
In MA there is.
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Right.

But someone else posted that work by a "licensed" gunsmith is not going to void your warranty. Since S&W sells all over the country in states where gunsmiths are not licensed, I do not think S&W uses a gunsmith's license or lack thereof to decide to void a warranty due to non-factory work.
 
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eisenhow said:
Maybe your should check out this thread [rofl] Just kidding, nice videos.
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Haha, I didn't even need to click the link to know what thread you were talking about. Good one.

Nice gun ooglassoo, I enjoyed the vid. And seriously, don't shave the beard. It's a pretty sweet freaking beard. And consider yourself lucky that you didn't get the mag disconnect safety.
 

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