I'm not against LEOSA for a few reasons-
-It was sponsored by relatively RKBA friendly police
orgs. (some of which may come to the aid of lawful
gun owners under a similar circumstance, as many of them
probably support "civilians" CCW )
-It pisses off antis- Yes, some antis HATE the fact that
out-of-state LEOs can carry in their state. So F' em. Any
law that pisses off antis is a good thing.
-It helps prove the case/pave the way towards some kind of
national CCW. (One could create a powerful argument that
X number of LEOs carrying everywhere off duty and a lot of
CCW holders carrying in their respective locales has not caused
problems, so it would be harder for them to argue against it. Via
LEOSA the numbers of active/RET LEO get added to the "CCW"
population. )
-It gets more "good guy" guns into places they need
to be. (I won't disagree that it would be even better if
we just had friggan nationwide CCW!)
-I agree that it's gay that, for example, a non-LEO can't jump
through a few of the same flaming hoops to get the same
ability. Problem is, the shit politics would definitely
prevent that. It's very hard for a pol to say they don't
trust a cop; it's very easy for a pol to say they don't
trust the general public, and for that matter (down the line)
that a lot of the f'ing sheep don't even trust each other
enough. This is the crux of the problem...... the political
climate is unfriendly to our cause. If we could just about
entirely marginalize the antis, then passing such a law would be
a lot simpler.
The most IMPORTANT thing to keep in mind- This is a
chicken and egg problem- LEOSA would not need to exist if we, as
a nation, simply decided not to tolerate the abuse that has been
imposed on gun owners- the mere fact that ANY state requires a
"permit" for someone to carry a concealed firearm in some capacity,
is bad out of the gate. That's why we have to deal with
this shit- let's not lose sight of that fact. 95% of the gun laws
out there are, fundamentally, unconstitutional. A lot of people
say "oh, but we need the permits, blah blah blah" but we all know
it's a crock of shit- VT allows CCW by default, and I don't see an excess
of firefights erupting, and numerous other states allow open carry by
default, and it hasn't been a problem in those states, either. It's
simply authoritarian douchebag logic that a "permit" causes some
sort of magical flaming fairy hoop to weed out those who would
abuse their right to carry a firearm.
If we want to change this issue we have to push it from different
directions. I see national CCW reciprocity bills come and go
but typically they are pushed by like one guy in the house and
then they just seem to disappear off the radar- I get the
impression that even the NRA only supports them in a limpwristed
manner..... something in the mix has to change if it's to
be considered a possibility.
-Mike
-It was sponsored by relatively RKBA friendly police
orgs. (some of which may come to the aid of lawful
gun owners under a similar circumstance, as many of them
probably support "civilians" CCW )
-It pisses off antis- Yes, some antis HATE the fact that
out-of-state LEOs can carry in their state. So F' em. Any
law that pisses off antis is a good thing.
-It helps prove the case/pave the way towards some kind of
national CCW. (One could create a powerful argument that
X number of LEOs carrying everywhere off duty and a lot of
CCW holders carrying in their respective locales has not caused
problems, so it would be harder for them to argue against it. Via
LEOSA the numbers of active/RET LEO get added to the "CCW"
population. )
-It gets more "good guy" guns into places they need
to be. (I won't disagree that it would be even better if
we just had friggan nationwide CCW!)
-I agree that it's gay that, for example, a non-LEO can't jump
through a few of the same flaming hoops to get the same
ability. Problem is, the shit politics would definitely
prevent that. It's very hard for a pol to say they don't
trust a cop; it's very easy for a pol to say they don't
trust the general public, and for that matter (down the line)
that a lot of the f'ing sheep don't even trust each other
enough. This is the crux of the problem...... the political
climate is unfriendly to our cause. If we could just about
entirely marginalize the antis, then passing such a law would be
a lot simpler.
The most IMPORTANT thing to keep in mind- This is a
chicken and egg problem- LEOSA would not need to exist if we, as
a nation, simply decided not to tolerate the abuse that has been
imposed on gun owners- the mere fact that ANY state requires a
"permit" for someone to carry a concealed firearm in some capacity,
is bad out of the gate. That's why we have to deal with
this shit- let's not lose sight of that fact. 95% of the gun laws
out there are, fundamentally, unconstitutional. A lot of people
say "oh, but we need the permits, blah blah blah" but we all know
it's a crock of shit- VT allows CCW by default, and I don't see an excess
of firefights erupting, and numerous other states allow open carry by
default, and it hasn't been a problem in those states, either. It's
simply authoritarian douchebag logic that a "permit" causes some
sort of magical flaming fairy hoop to weed out those who would
abuse their right to carry a firearm.
If we want to change this issue we have to push it from different
directions. I see national CCW reciprocity bills come and go
but typically they are pushed by like one guy in the house and
then they just seem to disappear off the radar- I get the
impression that even the NRA only supports them in a limpwristed
manner..... something in the mix has to change if it's to
be considered a possibility.
-Mike