Glock 22 vs 17 recoil difference?

[Scottish_fury21]

Is the recoil from a .40 cal Glock 22 really much of a difference between a 9mm G17? Spare me the ".40 sucks/is gay/is terrible" spiel for now.

Watched a few highly skilled/qualified YouTube performers, the like of Paul Harrell says it's not really a noticeable recoil difference, but then Yaeger says people can't shoot .40 well generally.

 

[whatluck]

there is a huge difference in muzzle flip IMO, the G17 is going to get back on target faster. if you have good technique it will hardly matter, what does matter is you get hits with it.

and 40 is very homo

 

[strangenh]

I don't think it makes a huge issue, though I don't see the appeal of a .40 Glock. The high grip and the way the frame flexes in a Glock make that .40 "snappy recoil" really be not much of a difference. In a class where we had to scramble and clear someone else's set-up malfunction and get 3 shots on target, I wound up with someone's 10mm (Glock 20) instead of the 19 I was using. Recoil effect and ability to get back on target was about the same. Heck, it was only after, looking at it, that I realized it wasn't a 17 despite the wider grip.

 

[neum69]

I have a 23 and a 19. There is definitely a difference but tbh I don't find I have any problem getting back on target. Maybe whatluck needs to check his grip.

 

[Scottish_fury21]

I don't think it makes a huge issue, though I don't see the appeal of a .40 Glock. The high grip and the way the frame flexes in a Glock make that .40 "snappy recoil" really be not much of a difference. In a class where we had to scramble and clear someone else's set-up malfunction and get 3 shots on target, I wound up with someone's 10mm (Glock 20) instead of the 19 I was using. Recoil effect and ability to get back on target was about the same. Heck, it was only after, looking at it, that I realized it wasn't a 17 despite the wider grip.

I just was shopping around online and see a lot of inexpensive G22 Police Trade-Ins that it made me consider trying one out... can't say I'd spend $600 for a new one but for $389+s/h/FFL fees I'd think about it just for kicks. I'm a relativley new handgun shooter and own only 9mm. Might try one to rent at the range.

 

[neum69]

I just was shopping around online and see a lot of inexpensive G22 Police Trade-Ins that it made me consider trying one out... can't say I'd spend $600 for a new one but for $389+s/h/FFL fees I'd think about it just for kicks. I'm a relativley new handgun shooter and own only 9mm. Might try one to rent at the range.

Thats exactly what I did. A used Detroit Police model with next to no wear. I do not regret it.

 

[Scottish_fury21]

Thats exactly what I did. A used Detroit Police model with next to no wear. I do not regret it.

Any reccomendations for where to get one on the cheap? Lowest I've seen in stock was about $400

 

[appraiser]

one of those Gen 2 Detroit trade ins?

Hard pass for me... YMMV

maybe 15 years ago not now

There is nothing wrong with a G22 EXCEPT THE DREADED GLOCK KABOOM AND THAT IS NOT A JOKE I AM DEAD SERIOUS

Now a G22 with say a KKM .357 Sig barrel ( you can use the .40 magazines and extractor IIRC) will be a snappy gun and maybe not as fast to get back on target

I don't know if I would go .40 at this point considering the advances in 9MM ammo over the last 15 years

You'd have to be using something far superior to WWB generic consumer ammo to get a G22 to handle much differently than a G17 IMHO

 

[enbloc]

Not sure this chart helps, but .40 S&W is a bit snappier than 9mm...

G17 Weight (avg. loaded magazine) 32.28 oz
G22 Weight (avg. loaded magazine) 34.38 oz

Cartridge (Bullet weight in grains at Muzzle Velocity)	Pistol Wt. (lbs.)	Recoil E. (ft. lbs.)	Recoil V. (fps)
.25 ACP (50 at 800)	0.75	0.9	8.7
.30 Carbine (110 at 1400)	3.0	4.9	10.2
.32 ACP (71 at 910)	1.0	1.7	10.5
.32 S&W Long (100 at 700)	2.0	1.2	6.2
.32 H&R Mag. (100 at 1100)	2.0	2.7	9.4
.32-20 Win. (100 at 1018)	2.0	2.8	9.4
.380 ACP (90 at 1000)	1.5	2.5	10.4
.380 ACP (95 at 900)	0.6	5.4	24.2
9mm Makarov (95 at 1025)	1.5	3.0	11.2
9x19 (115 at 1100)	1.0	7.4	21.8
9x19 (115 at 1155)	1.5	5.2	15.0
9x19 (115 at 1155)	2.0	3.8	11.1
9x19 +P (115 at 1250)	1.5	7.3	17.7
9x19 (124 at 1125)	1.5	6.0	16.0
9x19 (124 at 1157)	2.0	4.4	11.9
9x19 (147 at 1000)	2.0	4.6	12.2
.38 Super (125 at 1250)	2.25	4.9	11.9
.357 SIG (125 at 1350)	1.75	7.4	16.6
.38 Spec. (125 at 850)	1.0	5.6	18.9
.38 Spec. (130 at 819)	2.25	2.2	8.0
.38 Spec. (130 at 950)	2.25	3.1	9.5
.38 Spec. (140 at 825)	2.25	2.7	8.8
.38 Spec. (148 HBWC at 738)	2.25	2.1	7.8
.38 Spec. +P (110 at 1150)	2.25	4.0	10.7
.38 Spec. +P (125 at 975)	2.25	2.9	9.2
.38 Spec. +P (158 LHP at 900)	2.25	4.3	11.1
.357 Mag. (110 at 1300)	2.75	4.1	9.8
.357 Mag. (125 at 1209)	1.75	8.9	18.1
.357 Mag. (125 at 1220)	2.75	4.6	10.4
.357 Mag. (125 at 1450)	2.75	7.2	13.0
.357 Mag. (140 at 1022)	2.75	4.0	9.6
.357 Mag. (140 at 1323)	2.75	7.9	13.6
.357 Mag. (158 at 925)	2.75	4.0	9.7
.357 Mag. (158 at 1070)	1.75	9.4	18.6
.357 Mag. (158 at 1250)	2.75	8.7	14.3
.40 S&W (155 at 1200)	1.5	10.6	21.3
.40 S&W (165 at 1080)	1.5	9.3	19.9
.40 S&W (180 at 1027)	1.5	10.4	21.2
10mm Auto (180 at 1295)	2.25	11.4	18.1
.41 Mag. (210 at 925)	2.75	6.6	12.4
.41 Mag. (210 at 1300)	2.75	15.6	19.1
.44 Spec. (240 at 750)	3.0	4.5	9.9
.44 Rem. Mag. (200 at 1000)	3.0	6.7	12.0
.44 Rem. Mag. (200 at 1219)	4.1	6.3	10.0
.44 Rem. Mag. (200 at 1295)	4.1	7.2	10.6
.44 Rem. Mag. (200 at 1326)	3.0	11.9	16
.44 Rem. Mag. (225 at 1239)	3.0	12.4	16.3
.44 Rem. Mag. (240 at 1144)	4.1	8.0	11.2
.44 Rem. Mag. (240 at 1172)	4.1	8.4	11.5
.44 Rem. Mag. (240 at 1200)	4.1	8.9	11.8
.44 Rem. Mag. (240 at 1271)	4.1	10.0	12.5
.44 Rem. Mag. (240 at 1450)	3.0	22.5	21.9
.44 Rem. Mag. (300 at 1187)	3.0	22.6	22.0
.45 ACP (185 at 1000)	2.25	7.7	14.8
.45 ACP (185 at 1047)	2.5	6.8	13.2
.45 ACP (200 at 1010)	2.5	7.6	13.9
.45 ACP (230 at 850)	2.25	7.9	15.0
.45 ACP (230 at 916)	2.5	7.5	13.9
.45 Colt (200 at 945)	2.75	7.0	12.8
.45 Colt (200 at 1081)	2.75	8.2	13.8
.45 Colt (230 at 936)	2.75	7.9	13.6
.45 Colt (255 LRN at 860)	2.75	8.2	13.8
.45 Colt (255 LFP at 914)	2.75	10.4	15.6
.45 Colt +P (250 at 1200)	2.75	17.0	20.0
.45 Colt +P (300 at 1150)	2.75	23.9	23.7
.45 Win. Mag. (260 at 1200)	4.0	10.6	13.1
.454 Casull (260 at 1800)	3.2	39.0	28.0
.454 Casull (300 at 1650)	3.2	38.6	27.9
.460 S&W Mag. (250 at 1400)	4.5	12.8	13.5
.460 S&W Mag. (260 at 1590)	4.5	20.0	16.9
.460 S&W Mag. (300 at 1784)	4.5	32.1	21.4
.475 Linebaugh (385 at 1525)	3.0	52.2	33.5
.475 Linebaugh (400 at 1300)	3.2	38.1	27.7
.480 Ruger (325 at 1330)	3.3	23.1	21.2
.480 Ruger (325 at 1477)	3.3	33.3	25.5
.50 Action Express (325 at 1294)	3.2	29.3	24.3
.50 Action Express (325 at 1431)	4.4	25.5	19.3
.500 Linebaugh (400 at 1550)	3.0	62.3	36.6
.500 S&W Mag. (350 at 1446)	4.5	25.2	19.0
.500 S&W Mag. (350 at 1739)	4.5	45.6	25.5

 

[moojpg2]

There is not enough difference to mess with a grown man that has decent grip strength, maybe enough to bother a very petite female or a kid, but it's really not a lot. My splits doing simple drills are almost exactly the same between g17/g22 and g19/g23, I'm talking like a .03-.05 difference when running .25-.30 sec splits. Not enough difference to make a difference unless your Jerry Miculek.

 

[neum69]

Any reccomendations for where to get one on the cheap? Lowest I've seen in stock was about $400

Pretty sure it was AIM surplus. This was probably 5 years ago, and the price at that time was in the high 300's IIRC.

 

[whatluck]

I have a 23 and a 19. There is definitely a difference but tbh I don't find I have any problem getting back on target. Maybe whatluck needs to check his grip.

maybe, but you never know unless you check with a shot timer

 

[drgrant]

Is the recoil from a .40 cal Glock 22 really much of a difference between a 9mm G17? Spare me the ".40 sucks/is gay/is terrible" spiel for now.

Watched a few highly skilled/qualified YouTube performers, the like of Paul Harrell says it's not really a noticeable recoil difference, but then Yaeger says people can't shoot .40 well generally.

Depends on the size of your hands, grip strength and technique.

I used to run and carry a whole bunch of
40s.

HK USPc/USP full
HK P2000 LEM
Sig P229 (x 2 guns!)
Glock 22 Gen4

I've handled and fired probably a dozen others.

They're all gone and don't miss any of them. If I was forced to pick one it'd be a P229 or a USP/USPc. They're all school buses though. Those guns were all designed around 40
though. I am one of the biggest Glock fags on this board but you won't catch me with a 22,23,27 or 35. Especially not one before a Gen4.

Go buy it though, you've obviously made up your mind. Waste the money like the rest of us did.

.40 is sort of this weird shit caliber. It works perfectly well for its intended purpose it's just f***ing stupid. If you like it great, but eventually you'll figure out why it's stupid. It might take 5, 10 yrs though. One advantage is sometimes the ammo price is more stable because nobody buys it anymore except LE agencies that haven't gotten around to dumping the .40 yet. So there's that.

 

[drgrant]

maybe, but you never know unless you check with a shot timer

....Especially one handed or weak/off handed...

 

[SDG]

Is the recoil from a .40 cal Glock 22 really much of a difference between a 9mm G17? Spare me the ".40 sucks/is gay/is terrible" spiel for now.

Watched a few highly skilled/qualified YouTube performers, the like of Paul Harrell says it's not really a noticeable recoil difference, but then Yaeger says people can't shoot .40 well generally.

the recoil difference is between the G22 and G17 is imperceptible. Espeacilly if you shoot a lot. I have a Gen 3 G17 and a Gen 4 G22. And if you are in MA you get the benefit of have your gun and preban magazines costing on average 20% less than the 9.

 

[paul73]

.40 is sort of this weird shit caliber. It works perfectly well for its intended purpose it's just f***ing stupid

to rephrase this very accurate statement in more polite terms - a set of modern 9mm 147gr jhp rounds in the G17 is a very adequate solution for any human target.
a set of 10mm rounds in the G20 will resolve 'bigger' issues better than a set of .40 in the G23.
a conversation about choosing of G20 vs G21 is a different topic, but in either scenario it renders G23 out, and for a good reason.

 

[Cuz]

Is the recoil from a .40 cal Glock 22 really much of a difference between a 9mm G17? Spare me the ".40 sucks/is gay/is terrible" spiel for now.

Op,
To answer your question, yes, there is a difference. But, that should only be a small part in your decision making process. Depending upon your ammo selection (and especially if you reload) you can get 40 cal ammo that will recoil less in a Glock 22 than some other 9mm ammo in a Glock 17. But, all things being equal, the 17 will recoil less.

There are a lot of other things you should be considering, like the cost/availability of ammo. Remember, you buy the gun once, but you have to feed it ammo for a lifetime.

You haven’t said what you want to use the gun for? That should also factor into your decision. Competition? Home defense? Carry? How often do you plan to shoot?

What good is it if you save $150 by buying the 40cal but then have to spend an extra $150 every year on ammo? There are surely some good reasons to get a 40. If you want to shoot USPSA matches there is an advantage in some Divisions.

If you plan to shoot 50-100 rounds a year at most, get whatever you want and it won’t matter, but, if you are a beginner, on a budget, you may be better off with a Canik, or some other low cost alternative in 9mm simply because it will be cheaper to shoot, and you will enjoy it more, so you may do it more often, which will make you a better shooter.
I know a lot of shooters who started with a 40 and then switched to 9mm, or wish they had. I don’t know anyone that started with a 9mm and wished they had gotten a 40.
And, lastly, if you do get the 40, you can always spend another $120 down the road and buy a 9mm conversion barrel for it. Then you can have the best of both worlds.

 

[Palladin]

Not sure this chart helps, but .40 S&W is a bit snappier than 9mm...

G17 Weight (avg. loaded magazine) 32.28 oz
G22 Weight (avg. loaded magazine) 34.38 oz

Cartridge	Pistol Wt. (lbs.)	Recoil E. (ft. lbs.)	Recoil V. (fps)
.25 ACP (50 at 800)	0.75	0.9	8.7
.30 Carbine (110 at 1400)	3.0	4.9	10.2
.32 ACP (71 at 910)	1.0	1.7	10.5
.32 S&W Long (100 at 700)	2.0	1.2	6.2
.32 H&R Mag. (100 at 1100)	2.0	2.7	9.4
.32-20 Win. (100 at 1018)	2.0	2.8	9.4
.380 ACP (90 at 1000)	1.5	2.5	10.4
.380 ACP (95 at 900)	0.6	5.4	24.2
9mm Makarov (95 at 1025)	1.5	3.0	11.2
9x19 (115 at 1100)	1.0	7.4	21.8
9x19 (115 at 1155)	1.5	5.2	15.0
9x19 (115 at 1155)	2.0	3.8	11.1
9x19 +P (115 at 1250)	1.5	7.3	17.7
9x19 (124 at 1125)	1.5	6.0	16.0
9x19 (124 at 1157)	2.0	4.4	11.9
9x19 (147 at 1000)	2.0	4.6	12.2
.38 Super (125 at 1250)	2.25	4.9	11.9
.357 SIG (125 at 1350)	1.75	7.4	16.6
.38 Spec. (125 at 850)	1.0	5.6	18.9
.38 Spec. (130 at 819)	2.25	2.2	8.0
.38 Spec. (130 at 950)	2.25	3.1	9.5
.38 Spec. (140 at 825)	2.25	2.7	8.8
.38 Spec. (148 HBWC at 738)	2.25	2.1	7.8
.38 Spec. +P (110 at 1150)	2.25	4.0	10.7
.38 Spec. +P (125 at 975)	2.25	2.9	9.2
.38 Spec. +P (158 LHP at 900)	2.25	4.3	11.1
.357 Mag. (110 at 1300)	2.75	4.1	9.8
.357 Mag. (125 at 1209)	1.75	8.9	18.1
.357 Mag. (125 at 1220)	2.75	4.6	10.4
.357 Mag. (125 at 1450)	2.75	7.2	13.0
.357 Mag. (140 at 1022)	2.75	4.0	9.6
.357 Mag. (140 at 1323)	2.75	7.9	13.6
.357 Mag. (158 at 925)	2.75	4.0	9.7
.357 Mag. (158 at 1070)	1.75	9.4	18.6
.357 Mag. (158 at 1250)	2.75	8.7	14.3
.40 S&W (155 at 1200)	1.5	10.6	21.3
.40 S&W (165 at 1080)	1.5	9.3	19.9
.40 S&W (180 at 1027)	1.5	10.4	21.2
10mm Auto (180 at 1295)	2.25	11.4	18.1
.41 Mag. (210 at 925)	2.75	6.6	12.4
.41 Mag. (210 at 1300)	2.75	15.6	19.1
.44 Spec. (240 at 750)	3.0	4.5	9.9
.44 Rem. Mag. (200 at 1000)	3.0	6.7	12.0
.44 Rem. Mag. (200 at 1219)	4.1	6.3	10.0
.44 Rem. Mag. (200 at 1295)	4.1	7.2	10.6
.44 Rem. Mag. (200 at 1326)	3.0	11.9	16
.44 Rem. Mag. (225 at 1239)	3.0	12.4	16.3
.44 Rem. Mag. (240 at 1144)	4.1	8.0	11.2
.44 Rem. Mag. (240 at 1172)	4.1	8.4	11.5
.44 Rem. Mag. (240 at 1200)	4.1	8.9	11.8
.44 Rem. Mag. (240 at 1271)	4.1	10.0	12.5
.44 Rem. Mag. (240 at 1450)	3.0	22.5	21.9
.44 Rem. Mag. (300 at 1187)	3.0	22.6	22.0
.45 ACP (185 at 1000)	2.25	7.7	14.8
.45 ACP (185 at 1047)	2.5	6.8	13.2
.45 ACP (200 at 1010)	2.5	7.6	13.9
.45 ACP (230 at 850)	2.25	7.9	15.0
.45 ACP (230 at 916)	2.5	7.5	13.9
.45 Colt (200 at 945)	2.75	7.0	12.8
.45 Colt (200 at 1081)	2.75	8.2	13.8
.45 Colt (230 at 936)	2.75	7.9	13.6
.45 Colt (255 LRN at 860)	2.75	8.2	13.8
.45 Colt (255 LFP at 914)	2.75	10.4	15.6
.45 Colt +P (250 at 1200)	2.75	17.0	20.0
.45 Colt +P (300 at 1150)	2.75	23.9	23.7
.45 Win. Mag. (260 at 1200)	4.0	10.6	13.1
.454 Casull (260 at 1800)	3.2	39.0	28.0
.454 Casull (300 at 1650)	3.2	38.6	27.9
.460 S&W Mag. (250 at 1400)	4.5	12.8	13.5
.460 S&W Mag. (260 at 1590)	4.5	20.0	16.9
.460 S&W Mag. (300 at 1784)	4.5	32.1	21.4
.475 Linebaugh (385 at 1525)	3.0	52.2	33.5
.475 Linebaugh (400 at 1300)	3.2	38.1	27.7
.480 Ruger (325 at 1330)	3.3	23.1	21.2
.480 Ruger (325 at 1477)	3.3	33.3	25.5
.50 Action Express (325 at 1294)	3.2	29.3	24.3
.50 Action Express (325 at 1431)	4.4	25.5	19.3
.500 Linebaugh (400 at 1550)	3.0	62.3	36.6
.500 S&W Mag. (350 at 1446)	4.5	25.2	19.0
.500 S&W Mag. (350 at 1739)	4.5	45.6	25.5

Awesome chart

 

[Grendizer138]

Shocking. No, not hat someone is actually considering a $400 police trade-in fortay, but that no one has called this guy a skinflint yet.

 

[drgrant]

Shocking. No, not hat someone is actually considering a $400 police trade-in fortay, but that no one has called this guy a skinflint yet.

He will be once he acquires the sacred 9mm conversion barrel, the holy grail, penultimate talisman of all skinflint gun buys.

 

[enbloc]

Awesome chart

Not my work. It is by Chuck Hawks and he should get all the credit...

Handgun Recoil Table


Rest In Peace Chuck and thanks for all the time and effort you put into Our Sport. You made it better...
~Enbloc

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January 13, 1945 ~ August 23, 2021 (of Pancreatic Cancer)

 

[SJan]

The only reason to ever get a pistol chambered in .40 is use in USPSA Limited division major scoring. (until they F with that rule)

 

[Rob Boudrie]

Thats exactly what I did. A used Detroit Police model with next to no wear. I do not regret it.

I think the Detroit PD models have the serial number rotated 180 degrees to make it easier to read when stored in their gun racks.

 

[SDG]

What good is it if you save $150 by buying the 40cal but then have to spend an extra $150 every year on ammo? There are surely some good reasons to get a 40. If you want to shoot USPSA matches there is an advantage in some Divisions.

I added the 40S&W to the calibers I shoot about a 2 years ago and I've never once paid more for 40 than 9mm. Every time I need more .40 I just offer to trade 9mm for .40 one-for-one and about 10 minutes after I post, either here or another platform. I have more responses than I can hope for. Normally I come out way ahead because when I meet whoever I'm trading with winds up saying something like this "Hey I know we agreed on 1K" but I needed up with 1100 rounds, and I don't even own a .40 so I just threw the extra in.. During the ammopoclypse of 2020, I stopped trading because I could find .40 in the stores for .30 cpr while 9 was around .60. Now that its "over" and .40 is back to being more expensive than 9m I'm trading again.

Like I said it will end eventually, but to this point its been significantly cheaper guns, mags, ammo wise than 9mm. Of course no one gets into guns to save money so you know I had to drop a .357sig barrel in it and that range stuff is about .90cpr...

 

[strangenh]

He will be once he acquires the sacred 9mm conversion barrel, the holy grail, penultimate talisman of all skinflint gun buys.

He COULD anti-skinflint like Robin. I mean, .357Sig or go home, man. Once you're set up for .40 in a Glock, might as well get the factory .357Sig and go for the wizkid ammo. (*)



* - Says the guy who hand assembled an upper from small parts to convert a Beretta 92FS to .357Sig, yeah, THAT's skinflinting on the way to spending

 

[Kisspik002]

My opinion is if your technique is solid and your doing things properly the recoil difference is minimal. That being said there is a noticeable difference in 40 v 9.

 

[Cuz]

I added the 40S&W to the calibers I shoot about a 2 years ago and I've never once paid more for 40 than 9mm. Every time I need more .40 I just offer to trade 9mm for .40 one-for-one and about 10 minutes after I post, either here or another platform. I have more responses than I can hope for. Normally I come out way ahead because when I meet whoever I'm trading with winds up saying something like this "Hey I know we agreed on 1K" but I needed up with 1100 rounds, and I don't even own a .40 so I just threw the extra in.. During the ammopoclypse of 2020, I stopped trading because I could find .40 in the stores for .30 cpr while 9 was around .60. Now that its "over" and .40 is back to being more expensive than 9m I'm trading again.

Like I said it will end eventually, but to this point its been significantly cheaper guns, mags, ammo wise than 9mm. Of course no one gets into guns to save money so you know I had to drop a .357sig barrel in it and that range stuff is about .90cpr...

Robin,
Think about it. The reason you are having such good luck trading your 9mm ammo for 40 cal is because you are taking advantage of all those other people who bought a 40 cal, and then realized they would be better off with a 9mm.
You’re not actually taking advantage in a bad way, but rather helping them dump the 40 cal ammo they don’t like/want to shoot in favor of the 9mm ammo they would prefer to shoot. That basically confirms that there is a noticeable difference between the calibers.
Your tag says you are an instructor, which generally means some level of experience. The OP is a beginner. For a beginner, there is a larger difference in felt recoil. And, where he will be getting his ammo, I bet he’ll pay more for 40 cal, and possibly have a harder time finding it as time goes on.

 

[Cuz]

Just checking TS, in stock ammo.
9mm federal 115gr is .40/ round
40 cal Blazer 165gr or PMC 180gr is .47/round.
If you compared that box of 9mm to either of those 40 cal ammo, there would be enough of a difference to scare away many new shooters who made the mistake of buying a 40 cal Glock or other lightweight polymer as their first gun. I’ve seen it happen many times when we do new member orientations at our club.

 

[Rob Boudrie]

9mm is an amazingly efficient cartridge when to figure the felt_recoil:stopping_power ratio, which I'll call fr/sp. That's not an industry standard term, but it would be if I were a famous gunwriter.

The importance of fr/sp depends on the shooter. Those who shoot a lot of 40 and above will be more likely to be used to it and be able to handle the recoil, but that does not mean that such a person will handle the recoil as well as they would with a 9.

There was the case of the well trained individual who landed 10 or 11 hits with what I assume was a 9 in a Vegas parking lot in a defensive situation. The defending shooter was a high skill individual who trained regularly - but I bet he would not have scored quite that many hits with a fotay.

I am not looking to get rid of my G23 fotay carry gun (as I have a very good supply of pre-ban mags), but have augmented it with a G43 9x19 since the older I get, the less interested I am in having something large that I have to be careful to keep concealed and prefer a smaller more easily hidden gun. But, doing it over again, I'd probably get a G19.

And, like sjain, my initial and primary reason for fotay was USPSA limited division.

 

[Buck F]

He will be once he acquires the sacred 9mm conversion barrel, the holy grail, penultimate talisman of all skinflint gun buys.

Being able to drop in a 9mm conversion barrel does take the sting off buying a .40 and being stuck with it. When I started buying handguns, .40 was all the rage and of course as a newb I fell for it. If I could do it again the four 40's I have would all be 9s. But I do have a stash of .40 ammo and drop in 9 barrels for those guns which I have run exclusively as 9's since.

Today it would be stupid to buy a .40 if you don't already have .40's.