Glock 23 Jamming

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Hello,

I am a new shooter, and my first gun is a 2nd gen. Glock 23. I have shot it 5-6 times at the range and never had a single round jam. Today I went with my friend to shoot, and the gun kept jamming. We were using Independance FMJ ammo. The shell was not fully ejecting from the barrel. After pulling the gun apart a couple times, cleaning the barrel, pushing the spring down, oiling, etc we tried again with Lawman FMJ 180 gr. We each put 20 or so rounds through, and got jams on the last rounds. I had someone at the range that knows Glocks look at it, and he said everything looked fine. He said that it might have to do with too much wrist movement on my part when firing. For him it was his first time ever shooting, so movement is possible. For me, before I was anticpating the recoil, and maybe in trying to correct that I am now not holding the gun tight enough? Any thoughts?
 
limp wristing.

Try a better grip. Most new shooters and from the looks of the pics, many experienced shooters still don't have the proper grip.

Limp wristing will make the gun go back with the ejecting case. If the gun stays there the case will eject without issue.

Look up Todd Jarret and how to hold a pistol.
 
What they're talking about is "limp wrist shooting"--you're recoiling too much. Try shooting from a bench and bracing the butt of the pistol on something. I sort of doubt that's the problem but it happens. Secondly you could be obstructing the slide as it recoils but you'd probably feel that.

Maybe you're oiling it too much. It shouldn't really require that much oil and excessive oil with just gum things up. Make sure you clean the extractor with a tooth brush. How does the casing look after it jams? Is it torn where the extractor grips the edge of the casing? Does the casing look oval or somehow distorted? First thing you should do when you get jams like that is double check you have the correct ammo size (e.g. .40 not 9 mm)--it happens to the best of us.

I don't know much about that ammo you're using but maybe try a different brand.
 
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TA77 said:
He said that it might have to do with too much wrist movement on my part when firing. For him it was his first time ever shooting, so movement is possible. For me, before I was anticpating the recoil, and maybe in trying to correct that I am now not holding the gun tight enough? Any thoughts?
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I've heard this before WRT to certain models of Glocks - "limp wristing" the recoil causing jams...

Subscribing to see what everyone has to say...
[popcorn]

P.S. any other variables? Can you reproduce with other mags?
p.p.s looks like the limp wristers chimed in already... [wink]
 
From what I could tell the shell casings looked ok. The first time around they weren't even clearing the barrel, after giving the barrel a good cleaning, this seemed to subside, but then the last ones that jammed did clear the barrel, they just did not make it all the way out of the action.
 
TA77 said:
Also, could this simply be a spring issue? Maybe the gun needs a new spring?
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If it's not extracting then the spring is probably too tight not too loose. A failure to feed would be caused by a worn--too loose--spring for the most part.

You bought this used? If it was a "factory refurbished" maybe take it back to the shop and ask them about it if you can't get someone to look at it for free.

Otherwise I'd try different ammo. Load one round, chamber it, remove the mag and fire. Bad mags will give you all sorts of problems.
 
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TA77 said:
Also, could this simply be a spring issue? Maybe the gun needs a new spring?
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as from the Glock manual..

Failure to extract can be caused by
-extractor worn/broken/missing
-defective ammunition
-dirt under extraction claw
-dirty chamber
-limp wrist

failure to eject can be cuased by
-broken or damaged extractor
-underpowered ammo
-dirty chamber
-limp wrist
-lack of lube
-dirty gun
 
I actually bought it off a friend, who got it on this website a few months ago on a FTF. Seems to be in great condition, minor wear, etc. I tried with 2 seperate mags and had the same issue with both. Function wise the gun seems like it is fine, I have been putting snap caps through it for the past hour and it is working well. I am leaning more towards a problem with my grip.
 
Try to have a more experienced shooter try the gun out. If they don't have any issues shooting the gun, then you know it's user error. This is usually what I do if I have issues I can't ID right away. I'll find another shooter and see if they experience the same thing to rule out user error. And then go from there.

[grin]
 
Glocks aren't "finicky" guns.
They work or they don't.

Cleaning it or lubing it shouldn't have an effect on whether it ejects. Something like that would be more of a "finicky" gun sort of thing.

I would say to work your wrist, look up the youtube video that I suggested and try that.

Other than that, if the case is not ejecting at all, then it may be the extractor that needs to be replaced.

On a side note: I had not cleaned my Glock 34 in several thousand rounds and it still ejects without issue. My brother has shot more rounds than me in his Glock 34 and he still hasn't cleaned it.
 
Where do you shoot? Someone here familiar with Glocks could take a look at it next time you're at the range.
 
"We each put 20 or so rounds through, and got jams on the last rounds."


Sounds like a weak spring on the mag.
 
I shoot at Braintree Rifle and Pistol. As far as the mags go, we were using two different ones. Both 10 rounders. I honestly think it is wrist movement, I suppose I could bring the gun by FS and let them look at it. I will also watch that Youtube video.
 
Drop it off at my house with some ammo and I will shoot it for you, free of charge[smile] to see if it's a wrist issue.
 
TA77 said:
I shoot at Braintree Rifle and Pistol. As far as the mags go, we were using two different ones. Both 10 rounders. I honestly think it is wrist movement, I suppose I could bring the gun by FS and let them look at it. I will also watch that Youtube video.
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Four Seasons is not going to be able to diagnose whether you are limp wristing the gun. That has to be done at the range and it is the first thing I would check.
 
some of my light reloads will work fine for me in both my 9mm's. if my 10 year old shoots them, he will get jams in both guns. it sure sounds like a case of limp wrist.......[wink]
 
john m said:
Mikey wake up it's time to go to school.[wink] I had a Glock 23 2 gen after 150 round of it 40 cal beating the Sh** out of you a limp wrist will cause it to Jam. It's a Great home defence gun, 13 rounds of you be deaf or dead[grin]
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Maybe you should sell that Glock to someone else and get one of these

toy_gun.jpg
 
Bumping this up...

im having the same issue. Im not sure if im limp wristing or not. i brought my Glock 23 Gen 2 to the range saturday. and put 100rds of Winchester white box through it. i wished i had counted, but if i had to guess, id say out of the 100rds i got 10-20ish jams. all of witch were failure to extract. most of them the casing hadnt even partially moved from the barrel, a couple had started to come out.

it was very sporadic. i felt as though i had a good purchase on the firearm, and had decent form for shooting it for the first time. i had 2 mags with me. a 10rd and a 13rd pre-ban mag. i neglected to see if it was just 1 mag that was giving me problems. i had my friend take a few shots with it and he was also having the same issue. he has had more experience than i do, but had never shot a Glock before.

im not sure how i should proceed from here. i think i may have the extractor replaced for piece of mind.
 
I would replace the extractor and the spring. The "limp writing" issue is not as big as people make it out to seem. I mean, do you really want a handgun that is so unforgiving that it will jam on you in a life/death situation because you had to shoot it limp wristed in a strange scenario? No, you don't. But Glocks aren't really that unforgiving. I have like 6 and you they are as forgiving as other pistols are, I'm sure you can get them to jam, but they don't do it often. I'd replace those parts, they are very cheap, and re-evaluate. I had someone sell me a Glock that was jamming like that, I got a great deal, replaced two parts, and it works fine. And I've done tons of dumb stuff to Glocks, such as lighter recoil springs, caliber changes, etc, and they still are reliable.

And I have small girly wrists and can barely throw a Frisbee.

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Bumping this up...

im having the same issue. Im not sure if im limp wristing or not. i brought my Glock 23 Gen 2 to the range saturday. and put 100rds of Winchester white box through it. i wished i had counted, but if i had to guess, id say out of the 100rds i got 10-20ish jams. all of witch were failure to extract. most of them the casing hadnt even partially moved from the barrel, a couple had started to come out.

it was very sporadic. i felt as though i had a good purchase on the firearm, and had decent form for shooting it for the first time. i had 2 mags with me. a 10rd and a 13rd pre-ban mag. i neglected to see if it was just 1 mag that was giving me problems. i had my friend take a few shots with it and he was also having the same issue. he has had more experience than i do, but had never shot a Glock before.

im not sure how i should proceed from here. i think i may have the extractor replaced for piece of mind.
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Reptile said:
"We each put 20 or so rounds through, and got jams on the last rounds."


Sounds like a weak spring on the mag.
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Failure to extract on the last round is usually a symptom of a bad extractor. The previous casess extracted because the round below them supported them, giving the extractor a good grip. On the last round there is not as much support (no round, just the follower) which can allow the case to drop down, decreasing the extractor's grip causing the FTE. I would replace extractor and extractor spring.
 
dvajda said:
I would replace the extractor and the spring. The "limp writing" issue is not as big as people make it out to seem. I mean, do you really want a handgun that is so unforgiving that it will jam on you in a life/death situation because you had to shoot it limp wristed in a strange scenario? No, you don't. But Glocks aren't really that unforgiving. I have like 6 and you they are as forgiving as other pistols are, I'm sure you can get them to jam, but they don't do it often. I'd replace those parts, they are very cheap, and re-evaluate. I had someone sell me a Glock that was jamming like that, I got a great deal, replaced two parts, and it works fine. And I've done tons of dumb stuff to Glocks, such as lighter recoil springs, caliber changes, etc, and they still are reliable.

And I have small girly wrists and can barely throw a Frisbee.
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they seem like theyre very easy to do yourself, well the spring is a given. ive taken the gun down many a times. im just curious about the extractor. also, would i benefit from upgrading to a stainless guide rod while im doing it?
 
It isn't really needed. A stainless guide rod will give you "smoother" feel, and will also put more weight up front (I have tungsten ones in some of mine) for faster follow ups. But it really isn't needed. The extractor is very very easy to replace, you can remove the back of the slide (make sure parts don't fly out) and pull out all the things, depress the safety plunger, and it will fall right out. It is the easiest firearm to take apart, and there are tons of vids online. All you need is a simple punch (if that). I'd get a new extractor and extractor spring. I've also played with lower weight recoil springs (on a guide rod) to slow down the slide, which can actually reduce likelyhood of limp-wrist style failures, but will also beat up the frame more (I haven't seen an issue). You can play with it, but really, its just dumping money into it with very small results. For the most part, a Glock with OEM parts will run perfectly fine, but once in a while needs a new spring or extractor.
 
Get it working with OEM parts before you even think about adding things like a stainless guide rod. Change one thing at a time and retest.
 

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