Now that I have the attention of haters and fanboys alike, I would like to lay upon you this lovely turd of knowledge I managed to acquire at the range today.
This doesn't apply to those of us here that live in a state where an individual can be trusted to own a standard capacity magazine. However, if you live behind the iron curtain and choose to carry a Glock with cripple mags, pay attention.
I'll start by saying that I have been carrying a Gen4 G17 for quite some time. As a defensive handgun, I trust it with my life. I have run over ten thousand rounds through this particular handgun, used it during two different courses (1500-2000 rounds each), and practice with it almost every week. I mention this only so that I can pretend to know what I am talking about on the internet.
Just recently I picked up a Gen4 G19 because I wanted a gun I could carry with a little more comfort without having to change platforms. It came with 3 brand new MA compliant 10 round magazines. I have never used 10 round mags in my G17 so this was my first experience with them.
Before deciding to carry a gun I make sure to test everything thoroughly, testing every mag with hundreds of rounds. If you don't make a point to do this, well then you're a moron. It is even more important that you make a point to run your gun with the self defense ammunition you intend to carry.
A friend of mine over the years has been testing various hollow points in an expansion test using water and a box full of dry wall to catch the rounds for comparison. Through his testing he has concluded that Federal HST hollow points are one of the best rounds on the market in a variety of different calibers. After learning that the hollow points I have been carrying perform poorly, I decided to test these rounds as a new replacement for my new gun.
As I have not had a chance yet to pick up some standard capacity mags for my G19 yet, I give you the following:
On the top you have a neutered, anger inducing, retard mag. On the bottom you have a standard mag. Be sure to note the difference in follower design.
Front - abortion mag, rear - standard mag.
Left - tard, right - standard.
Front - tard, rear - standard. Pay special attention to the cant of the round.
I believe this shot illustrates the added room necessary in the magazine for the chode of MA law to **** you in the ass.
Lets begin:
For your viewing pleasure I give to you 3 different Glock G19s with 3 different dumb shit MA does this to protect you mags. Two Gen4 G19s and a Gen3 G19c. All three guns will be loaded with a different cripple mag (all from different owners) and a round of Federal HST. I apologize for the poor video quality, but you will get the point.
Next video shows loading a tard mag with a round, then loading that same round into a standard mag.
Using the standard mags we ran into ZERO malfunctions using any of the hollow points we had on hand.
It is also important to point out that one of the tests was run with Gold Dot hollow points (a pretty common cartridge) with the same results. Didn't matter how many rounds were loaded into the mags, full, one, didn't matter.
The reason for the EXTREMELY RELIABLE malfunctions is a result of the follower used in the cripple mags. They are in no way the same. The followers used in standard mags are anti-tilt while the 10 rounders are not. As the slide pushes the round into the feed ramp, it takes a nose dive and slaps directly into the base of the ramp.
I am sharing this with everyone here because I know for a fact that there are MANY people on here that don't make a point of testing their equipment as they should. I also know that there are a lot of people that carry Glocks here in MA because they are reliable handguns. Additionally there are a lot of people out there carrying these guns with cripple mags in an attempt to comply with the law. After what I saw today, I would never trust my life to one of these pieces of shit. I will be carrying my G17 from now on until I can acquire some standard mags for the G19.
Some may be thinking, "well mine works just fine". Why would you take the chance? These mags reliably turned three otherwise flawless firearms into a collection of paper weights. The only other hollow point that I have tried feeding through these mags have been Hornady Critical Defense. Because these rounds have a much more narrow nose and a filled tip, they were able to feed. However, the whole point of testing the HST rounds was because I learned that the Critical Defense rounds suck.
I will be testing these mags using different hollow points as I get the chance, but they have been put aside for range use only.
Hopefully this has been helpful to at least one person.
This doesn't apply to those of us here that live in a state where an individual can be trusted to own a standard capacity magazine. However, if you live behind the iron curtain and choose to carry a Glock with cripple mags, pay attention.
I'll start by saying that I have been carrying a Gen4 G17 for quite some time. As a defensive handgun, I trust it with my life. I have run over ten thousand rounds through this particular handgun, used it during two different courses (1500-2000 rounds each), and practice with it almost every week. I mention this only so that I can pretend to know what I am talking about on the internet.
Just recently I picked up a Gen4 G19 because I wanted a gun I could carry with a little more comfort without having to change platforms. It came with 3 brand new MA compliant 10 round magazines. I have never used 10 round mags in my G17 so this was my first experience with them.
Before deciding to carry a gun I make sure to test everything thoroughly, testing every mag with hundreds of rounds. If you don't make a point to do this, well then you're a moron. It is even more important that you make a point to run your gun with the self defense ammunition you intend to carry.
A friend of mine over the years has been testing various hollow points in an expansion test using water and a box full of dry wall to catch the rounds for comparison. Through his testing he has concluded that Federal HST hollow points are one of the best rounds on the market in a variety of different calibers. After learning that the hollow points I have been carrying perform poorly, I decided to test these rounds as a new replacement for my new gun.
As I have not had a chance yet to pick up some standard capacity mags for my G19 yet, I give you the following:
On the top you have a neutered, anger inducing, retard mag. On the bottom you have a standard mag. Be sure to note the difference in follower design.
Front - abortion mag, rear - standard mag.
Left - tard, right - standard.
Front - tard, rear - standard. Pay special attention to the cant of the round.
I believe this shot illustrates the added room necessary in the magazine for the chode of MA law to **** you in the ass.
Lets begin:
For your viewing pleasure I give to you 3 different Glock G19s with 3 different dumb shit MA does this to protect you mags. Two Gen4 G19s and a Gen3 G19c. All three guns will be loaded with a different cripple mag (all from different owners) and a round of Federal HST. I apologize for the poor video quality, but you will get the point.
Next video shows loading a tard mag with a round, then loading that same round into a standard mag.
Using the standard mags we ran into ZERO malfunctions using any of the hollow points we had on hand.
It is also important to point out that one of the tests was run with Gold Dot hollow points (a pretty common cartridge) with the same results. Didn't matter how many rounds were loaded into the mags, full, one, didn't matter.
The reason for the EXTREMELY RELIABLE malfunctions is a result of the follower used in the cripple mags. They are in no way the same. The followers used in standard mags are anti-tilt while the 10 rounders are not. As the slide pushes the round into the feed ramp, it takes a nose dive and slaps directly into the base of the ramp.
I am sharing this with everyone here because I know for a fact that there are MANY people on here that don't make a point of testing their equipment as they should. I also know that there are a lot of people that carry Glocks here in MA because they are reliable handguns. Additionally there are a lot of people out there carrying these guns with cripple mags in an attempt to comply with the law. After what I saw today, I would never trust my life to one of these pieces of shit. I will be carrying my G17 from now on until I can acquire some standard mags for the G19.
Some may be thinking, "well mine works just fine". Why would you take the chance? These mags reliably turned three otherwise flawless firearms into a collection of paper weights. The only other hollow point that I have tried feeding through these mags have been Hornady Critical Defense. Because these rounds have a much more narrow nose and a filled tip, they were able to feed. However, the whole point of testing the HST rounds was because I learned that the Critical Defense rounds suck.
I will be testing these mags using different hollow points as I get the chance, but they have been put aside for range use only.
Hopefully this has been helpful to at least one person.
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