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I have been wanting to buy an H&K for the last 15 years. And although I could afford it they seemed to be a bit too expensive compared to other brands.
Recently I had the opportunity to shoot a usp .45. My impression and experience with it was stellar. I have never shot a handgun so accurately the very first time I used it. So I think it is time.
I would really like to stick with .45. what is everyone's experience and opinions.
Thank you.
Scott

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H&Ks are over-priced, terrible factory support and nobody works on them. Three or four years ago at KTP I was blown away with the $800-950 prices for new USPcs, I thought that pricing was the MA-premium, but I guess not!

I own some and will admit that my H&K 45 USPc shoots like an extension of my arm, however the USPcs all have terrible triggers and there is no really good solution to them.

There are better guns out there for less money.
 
H&Ks are over-priced, terrible factory support and nobody works on them. Three or four years ago at KTP I was blown away with the $800-950 prices for new USPcs, I thought that pricing was the MA-premium, but I guess not!

I own some and will admit that my H&K 45 USPc shoots like an extension of my arm, however the USPcs all have terrible triggers and there is no really good solution to them.

There are better guns out there for less money.

The one time I called HK, they put me right to technical support person who knew what he was talking about and he was happy to stay on the phone as long as needed with me. Is there any actual evidence of their factory support being as bad as you say?

Regarding price, I don't see that HKs are much more expensive that many competing SIG models. For example, a P30L and SIG MK25 are essentially the same price at a place like http://www.topgunsupply.com.
 
Hk is a premium brand - like BMW or Mercedez - cost more to own and operate/fix. Their pistols are ok, some overall better than others, triggers can suck. Their rifles on the other hand are mostly all good in my opinion, of the models I own or have fired anyway.
 
A close friend of mine has owned a usp .45 since they came out in 1995. He has had zero problems ever with his with over 10k rounds thru it. I know there are lower priced pistols out there. I own several already but nothing has felt as natural to me. Not even my 1911.


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A close friend of mine has owned a usp .45 since they came out in 1995. He has had zero problems ever with his with over 10k rounds thru it. I know there are lower priced pistols out there. I own several already but nothing has felt as natural to me. Not even my 1911.


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You have hands like a bunch of bananas?
 
The one time I called HK, they put me right to technical support person who knew what he was talking about and he was happy to stay on the phone as long as needed with me. Is there any actual evidence of their factory support being as bad as you say?

Anecdotal evidence - sample size = 1 (but have heard similar from many others over the years).

I bought a used 45 USPc where the prior owner (moron) had plucked out all 3 white dots from the sights. I called H&K hoping they could send me just the white inserts. No, they had to send me the entire sights, no charge. I'm still waiting for them to arrive (NOT!) . . . this was in 1999!!

I just put Bright Sight paint in them and they are fine, but I don't call that good support. They were polite, but just never followed thru to deliver what they promised. There were lots of similar complaints on many H&K forums/threads back over the years.
 
I have been wanting to buy an H&K for the last 15 years. And although I could afford it they seemed to be a bit too expensive compared to other brands.
Recently I had the opportunity to shoot a usp .45. My impression and experience with it was stellar. I have never shot a handgun so accurately the very first time I used it. So I think it is time.
I would really like to stick with .45. what is everyone's experience and opinions.
Thank you.
Scott

If you really like it, and it works for you, buy it. They are built like brick outhouses. If you pick up a USP .45 get yourself a spare sear spring (looks like a snakes tongue), trigger bar, and firing pin, and just stash them away somewhere. If you shoot the gun enough eventually one of those things WILL
break- and murphys law says that when it does break, you won't be able to find those parts anywhere.

I had a half dozen HKs and now I have zero.... I miss them from time to time, but not that much. Some Observations:

-The newer HKs- like the P2000, P30, HK45, etc.... I have horrible NPOA problems with them- I point the things at the ground by default, I actually have to roll my hands backwards slightly to align the sights. Your mileage may vary- Bring a USP to the range, close your eyes, pick the gun up and point it where you think it's supposed to be at about eye level- open your eyes and see where the sights are. Whenever I do this the front sight is just about pointing at the ground, its the polar opposite of the problem a lot of people have with Glocks.

-The DA triggers on many of their guns are pretty terrible but with a 12 lb wolff spring and some GENTLE polishing of friction surfaces (use high grit sandpaper, by hand) can be improved dramatically.

-Bore axis on everything HK makes, except for the P7 (which they don't make anymore) is stupidly high. If you have oven mitts for hands you probably won't notice this much, if you have smaller hands you will find a lot of their guns to be muzzle flippy, particularly in .40 and .45 ACP. This of course doesn't become apparent until you put in a lot of time on guns that have a low bore axis. [laugh]

-The slide and barrel finishes are probably the best in the industry. I've never seen a corroded HK slide or barrel. Even people with weird skin issues can't get those guns to corrode. IMHO they are also the most accurate plastic framed handgun you can buy, from a mechanical accuracy standpoint... but most people aren't shooting bullseye matches with these things, though. (If I shoot my G21SF and an HK USP at 25 yards off a rest, with decent ammo, I bet the HK will make a smaller group.... but it's the old "how much do you care about an inch or less difference at 25 yards" type of thing. )

-The Magazines are REALLY ****ING EXPENSIVE. (Always $40+) There is NO WAY (or very rarely a way, it happened from like 2004 to 2006 CDNN and Cals had some for cheap, but not anymore) around this- all the aftermarket mags are garbage, there is no good but cheap alternative like mecgar, etc.

-The slides on the full size USPs are really easy to operate. Something like a USP 9 makes a great training gun for this reason- because of the way the spring works, it starts out very light at the first 80% of its travel and then there is a heavy duty buffer spring at the end that takes the real abuse.

-The USP slide stop is gigantic. Makes it really easy to reload quickly.

I owned a USP .45 std, USP .45 Elite, USP .45 Compact.... and a Mark 23. All were nice guns, but the Glock 21SF I have now works way better for me. It doesn't flip as much.

The Mark23 was truly something special. That's about the only one I really miss from the lot of .45s. I have no idea what they do to the barrels on those things, but they were stupidly easy to keep clean. A little solvent, a quick pass or two with a brush, and all the crud just comes right out on the patch.

-Mike
 
Anecdotal evidence - sample size = 1 (but have heard similar from many others over the years).

I bought a used 45 USPc where the prior owner (moron) had plucked out all 3 white dots from the sights. I called H&K hoping they could send me just the white inserts. No, they had to send me the entire sights, no charge. I'm still waiting for them to arrive (NOT!) . . . this was in 1999!!

I just put Bright Sight paint in them and they are fine, but I don't call that good support. They were polite, but just never followed thru to deliver what they promised. There were lots of similar complaints on many H&K forums/threads back over the years.

Yes, I realize that both or our sample sizes suck. It was nice of them to say they'd send the sights. Did you call them back to ask where they are?

IMO, none of this really reflects on their customer service (for better or worse). Does anyone actually have experiences of sending a gun in for repair and getting it back as expected?
 
Thank you Mike! That is one of the best and most informative replies I have ever seen. I am an avid shooter and I did find the usp .45 flippy but At the same time I hit everything I aimed for. Most of my handguns take a lot of range time before I can be that consistent. Although my 1911 is close. Thanks again.

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Yes, I realize that both or our sample sizes suck. It was nice of them to say they'd send the sights. Did you call them back to ask where they are?

IMO, none of this really reflects on their customer service (for better or worse). Does anyone actually have experiences of sending a gun in for repair and getting it back as expected?

Paul, no as I walked into a shop and spotted Bright Sights for $5/bottle, bought one and solved the problem. I didn't like the idea of totally replacing sights anyway as it means you have to re-zero it vs. just drop some paint in a hole.

I guess I could have sent the gun to them to repair but that seemed extreme and cost even then was more than I would have cared to pay for shipping over such a small problem.
 
Hk is a premium brand - like BMW or Mercedez - cost more to own and operate/fix. Their pistols are ok, some overall better than others, triggers can suck. Their rifles on the other hand are mostly all good in my opinion, of the models I own or have fired anyway.

One thing with triggers is that is personal preference. There are people that love Hk triggers and are extremely accurate with them, I am not one of them even though I owned almost every model in their lineup.
 
I own a H&K USP Compact .45, I am also left handed. To convert the USP from right to left handed, it is not ambi, I ordered the part, $125!, from HK Parts on line store and waited 9 months for the part to be in stock. I have the gun, the part and now need an H&K armorer and can't find one.
 
I own a H&K USP Compact .45, I am also left handed. To convert the USP from right to left handed, it is not ambi, I ordered the part, $125!, from HK Parts on line store and waited 9 months for the part to be in stock. I have the gun, the part and now need an H&K armorer and can't find one.

You don't need an armorer to do this, it takes about maybe a half hour or so to do it. (and that's if you're going reeeeeely slow) You just need to hunt around and find a USP dissasembly guide. If this was 2 years ago I would do it for you for free... but at this point my ability to do it from rote memory has probably decayed. I don't remember it being extroardinarily difficult
though... it's not like taking a PPS apart or anything heinous like that.

-Mike
 
Mike, Do you have the same point of aim problem with SIGs?

Also, P2000sk mags are a bit of an exception price wise. I've been able to find them for $32 or so. HK45 mags are ridiculously expensive though and it makes no sense. Yes, somewhat more materials but I doubt the manufacturing is any more difficult.
 
Yes, I realize that both or our sample sizes suck. It was nice of them to say they'd send the sights. Did you call them back to ask where they are?

IMO, none of this really reflects on their customer service (for better or worse). Does anyone actually have experiences of sending a gun in for repair and getting it back as expected?

H&K rebuilt my old USP 45 when it came back it was much better than I expected.
Right now I have a different USP 45. Awesome gun. Used it last year for a pin match. Needless to say I was undefeated in every match I competed in.
 
The one time I called HK, they put me right to technical support person who knew what he was talking about and he was happy to stay on the phone as long as needed with me. Is there any actual evidence of their factory support being as bad as you say?

Perhaps it has gotten better since I dealt with them. My gunsmith needed a new spring for my USPc 45. The rep that he spoke with would only send it to him if he ordered $10,000 of HK inventory. I called up to order it along with a few very overpriced magazines. It took several phone calls a couple months to get them.
 
I have a brand new P30 9mm that I brought to the range this week for the first time.
300 rounds through it. I only had 5 "high flyers" total. I call them high flyers when I jerk the muzzle up due to a excessively long trigger pull. If there was one thing I could change on the gun it would be the trigger (though I did completely shred the 10 ring on three targets at 35').
I had planned on buying a Sig 226 but when I saw the P30 and felt it in my hand I just knew it was the one for me.
I love the sights on it, they are very clear and give a great sight alignment. I agree with Mike that the magazine prices are completely ridiculous. I picked up 2 spares after being waitlisted for them (2 week wait for them to come into stock at $40 each).
All said, I would probably still buy one again. Though I still want a Sig in 9mm (I have gone to the shop to buy one 3 times and bought something else each time damn it).
 
If you get the chance to hold either the p30 of hk45 you'll fall in love right away. The ergonomics of the grips of those are just fantastic. They fit the hand so well. From the statements i have read by people at hkpro.com the customer service from HK has greatly improved. The SA/DA triggers in all HK guns are known for being horrible, but as HK puts it they are a "battle trigger". If you dont like it put the light LEM kit in it and enjoy. Not sure where your located, but if your close to the south i wouldnt mind letting you shot my HK45t.
 
Mike, Do you have the same point of aim problem with SIGs?

Not that I can remember. I used to shoot my P228's like they were an extension of my hand. (I had more trigger time on those guns than all my other Sigs combined). I sorta miss those guns, both of them had SA triggers that probably broke at less than 4 pounds, easy.

-Mike
 
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Comes with me everywhere via a crossbreed that makes it disappear under my clothes. Love it.
And I have a G17, just prefer this beast.
 
After looking at my options I really like the H&K P30LS. I can't get a usp in .45 in Mass so I think I am going with the p30 in .40.

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It's a hell of a jump to go from a USP in 45 to a P30 in 40. The USPs are out there just keep an eye out and one will turn up.
 
I love thier rifles hate the pistols,I think the glock or the Sig are better.
 
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