How can this not be a SAWED OFF SHOTGUN ? ROSSI Trail Judge TJ410SS 410GA Stainless

[SalemCat]

ROSSI Trail Judge TJ410SS 410GA Stainless TJ410SS

Very cool, but it's got to be Class III ?

It is a 12" Barrel .410 Shotgun 6+1 $433.37

I don't see how it can be legal anywhere, let alone MA.

Well, Rossi has decided not to manufacture it http://www.downrange.tv/blog/update-on-the-rossi-trail-judge/9064/

And the .410 is a HANDGUN ROUND, at least in this case. This is not a shotgun. I saw .410 and jumped to an incorrect conclusion. My Bad.

 

[knoxy]

Is it technically a pistol?

 

[SalemCat]

Is it technically a pistol?

Short-barreled rifle (SBR) is a legal designation in the United States, referring to a shoulder-fired, rifled firearm with a barrel length of less than 16 inches (40.6 cm) or overall length of less than 26 inches (66.0 cm). In the United States, an SBR is an item regulated by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (BATFE) as an NFA firearm. In the absence of local laws prohibiting ownership, American civilians may own an SBR provided it is registered with the BATFE, and a $200 tax is paid prior to taking possession of or creating the firearm.

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Perhaps Rossi was hoping the very short stock would disqualify it as a shoulder-fired firearm, and bring it into the Pistol Cataegory.

As cool as it looks, I'm thinking it would be difficult to operate.

 

[mclina]

The ranch hand rifles were classified as handguns for this reason.

Rossi USA

 

[Moderator]

If I remember correctly, I believe they have a rifled barrel.

 

[ColdDayInHell]

How can this not be a SAWED OFF SHOTGUN ? ROSSI Trail Judge TJ410SS 410GA Stain

Damn I want one.

 

[warwickben]

How can this not be a SAWED OFF SHOTGUN ? ROSSI Trail Judge TJ410SS 410GA Stain

Yup I want

 

[SalemCat]

Even if Rossi manufactured it I'll bet Rossi would not bother to pay for MA Testing so as to put it on the LIST.

It sure is pretty, though. And inexpensive.

 

[SalemCat]

Check out the CIRCUIT JUDGE and RANCH HAND sections on Rossi's Web Site: Rossi USA

Quite a few head-turners.

 

[WallHack]

Even if Rossi manufactured it I'll bet Rossi would not bother to pay for MA Testing so as to put it on the LIST.

It sure is pretty, though. And inexpensive.

You can buy Rossi Ranch Hands at numerous dealers in MA, why not this? You're over-thinking it, Rossi ain't in the business of selling felonies.

It technically has a "grip" and not a "stock" because its so short, its not "designed" to be fired from the shoulder.

I must be slacking at work, because this was sent using Tapatalk

 

[glide]

It's not designed to be fired from the shoulder.

 

[atilla]

Damn I want one.

Yup I want

as a previous owner of a ranch hand: no, no you don't they are pieces of shit. mine went back to taurus three times and then i traded it.

It's not designed to be fired from the shoulder.

correct. it is also a registered pistol, not a SBS.

 

[theGringo]

Wicked cool. I want one.

 

[not new guy]

How idiotic is it that there are OAL laws?

 

[Cabin Fever]

It's not designed to be fired from the shoulder.

And if you have handled one, it certainly is not very comfortable holding it to one's shoulder! I was skeptical about the whole pistol designation even though it appears to have a stock. But after I handled one at the SHOT show, I completely understand.

 

[Kevin_NH]

Not bad, half the price of a Henry "Mares Leg" pistol, which won't chamber a .410 shotshell (The Henry is available in various pistol calibers, including 45 Long Colt and 22 rimfire).

Too bad Rossi decided not to make this, could be a nice step up from the Judge, especially in NH where you can't have a loaded shotgun in a vehicle. While the Henry product is twice the price, it's probably at least twice the quality/fit/finish...

 

[Harleynut]

That looks like a bitch to try to conceal.

 

[Kevin_NH]

But fun to open carry.

 

[richc]

At a gun show last year I saw a Mares Leg or something similar on display. A few tables over there were a couple of ATF agents. So I asked him to look at the Mares Leg and explain why it was legal.

He was honest. He said he was not sure exactly, but since it was from a well known brand he would assume it fit a legal definition. And he said when they are in doubt they have a department that they can send things to for a decision.

Interesting...

 

[drgrant]

It's not a SBS because it has a rifled barrel and its bore diameter is small enough to not trigger DD status... it falls in as a Title 1 pistol.

It's a piece of shit though, just like everything else Rossi/Taurus makes, but that's a separate problem.

-Mike

 

[45collector]

It looks cool, but doesn't seem like it would be much fun to shoot.