• If you enjoy the forum please consider supporting it by signing up for a NES Membership  The benefits pay for the membership many times over.

I need your help, and to help yourselves! *2A Battle*

Having only browsed through this thread, I'm going to do a more careful reading of it.

So far though, I tend to agree with Doc.

I absolutely despise MA laws especially gun laws, those that make them and those who enforce them with regard to guns, firearms, and every other weasel word law they invent.
If ever empaneled on a jury regarding anything to do with a gun rights violation I will vote against the state unquestionably every time.
 
People seem to believe, after being told lies by the media, the schools, their beaten down friends and of course the government, that somehow, some way the government got a new power that was prohibited to them by the constitution to regulate the right of the people to keep and bear arms.

But that just ain't so. The Bill of Rights is not subject to legislation, popular vote or any Mass. backward politician --

"The very purpose of a Bill of Rights was to withdraw certain subjects from the vicissitudes of political controversy, to place them beyond the reach of majorities and officials, and to establish them as legal principles to be applied by the courts. One's right to life, liberty, and property, to free speech, a free press, freedom of worship and assembly, and other fundamental rights may not be submitted to vote; they depend on the outcome of no elections." West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette, 319 U.S. 624 (1943)

The right to keep and bear arms is in no manner dependent upon the license to carry:

Professional entitlements are undoubtedly subject to licensing as the "requirement of a licensee to engage in the business specified in the statute [are] appropriate to protect the people in the enjoyment of their relative rights and privileges, and to guard them against fraud and imposition, and is not forbidden by the Fourteenth Amendment;" W. W. Cargill Co. v. Minnesota, 180 U.S. 452 (1901) but, "the Second Amendment, like the First and Fourth Amendments, codified a pre-existing right. ... As we said in United States v. Cruikshank, 92 U.S. 542, 553 (1876), "[t]his is not a right granted by the Constitution. Neither is it in any manner dependent upon that instrument for its existence." District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008) The Constitution merely instructs that "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

I BEAR ARMS and Carry Nothing!
 
Dr. Kang Lu said:
Oh I've made the right decision my friend.

The question is why do so many people not see what I plainly see?

The "gun laws" are an abstraction, they are not there to limit your rights, but to furnish you with professionals to help enjoy your natural rights and the blessings of life and liberty. The LTC is for police officer -- that's just the same as the medical practice act, they are for doctors to serve the public, not to control or limit what you can do for your own healthcare!

My only mistake is that I give too much credit to some people and their ability to think...
Click to expand...

Most people don't see what you see is because your 'clarity' comes at a price most of us can't afford.

You are a Radiologist and can most likely afford a lawyer and the time.

Most people can not afford a court battle, and that is what the system counts on.

Like I said, I hope you prevail.. You are fighting for those who can't afford the fight.
 
VetteGirlMA said:
Look I'm all for constitutional carry but sadly Massachusetts will have to be dragged kicking and screaming to that barbeque. They won't go down that road to defeat without taking a few people with them. So be careful. I'd like to live in a world where I can pop down to the local convenience store and buy a newspaper, pack of smokes, some lottery tickets and maybe even a Glock 27 (okay maybe I'll stick to 9mm) without the government having to know a damn thing. It's simply none of their goddam business. I think firearm prohibition and regulation is so 100 years ago and today I'm a modern day 2A suffragette but there is no end to the insanity of the gun grabbers. Believe me I have sat in my chair of power in my office up in the hills of western mass and pondered as a thought experiment of how nice Massachusetts could be if a giant volcano popped out of Beacon Hill tomorrow morning and buried the Eastern 1/3rd of the state in 20 feet of molten lava. At least no more D+80 voting districts and maybe just maybe sanity would come back from the hands of the insane. But alas I'm snapped back into reality living in a nanny state wracked with debt and filled with arrogant self aggrandizing liberals.

In the meantime if I ever were selected for jury duty I would 100% engage in jury nullification on a gun case like yours or a self defense case no matter what a judge/prosecutor would say. Carrying a firearm over an imaginary line on a map is insane especially when our civil liberties are supposed to extend to all 50 states. I don't lose my right to vote, or privacy or right to an attorney by crossing an imaginary line on a map, so I shouldn't sacrifice my second amendment rights.

If you have a solid legal argument and I personally believe you are innocent (and I believe that the act of simply carrying a gun is not a crime no matter what cry baby police and politicians have to say) but remember you will go to trial in a D+50 or more district meaning you will be judged by liberal citizens, liberal judges who will hate your guts and don't even know you and the whole thing will smell like the carcass of a dead kangaroo with the air and imprimatur of authentic justice when it's anything but that.

Remember in this state you can be a gang banger and in and out of prison 100 times for carrying guns and the prosecutors will drop the charges almost immediately. The laws of this state are not for them. They are there to punish the innocent with no criminal record, no history of violence and no bad intention.

This is why I am so virulently anti-cop. Want to stop innocent people from being hassled? Fire lots and lots of cops, prosecutors and judges. They're simply not necessary if laws are only designed to punish the innocent and lionize the wicked.

Best of luck with your case. Make sure you have a damned good attorney who will zealously fight for you.
Click to expand...
It is about money. Don't fool yourself. If the good Dr. was penniless, he would never have been charged. He has cash, the state likes cash, yours. It allows them to give it to the gangbangers and keep the cycle going.
 
Dr. Kang Lu said:
Wrong buddy…

"It is axiomatic that the statutory definition of the term excludes unstated meanings of that term." Meese v. Keene, 481 U.S. 465 (1987).
Click to expand...
True, however, this is overriden by definitions contained with the law which makes them stated definitions.
 
Dr. Kang Lu said:
I always find it disheartening to see that the people most invested in the second amendment are
also the least likely to actually look into the statutes, which purport to exert control over them.

Enslavement is not oppression, it's voluntary.
Click to expand...
I AGREE AND SUPPORT YOUR THINKING Dr. Kang Lu!
 
Last edited:
42! said:
Well, Doctor, please keep us up to date as you challenge the prosecution for unlawful possession.
Click to expand...
He'll just point out the gold fringe on the flag, the prosecutor will hang his head, and the judge will mutter, "Curses! Foiled again!" as he dismisses the case.


Dr. Kang Lu said:
The question is why do so many people not see what I plainly see?
Click to expand...
No, the question is why you see that so plainly. And the answer to the question, is that you seek what you wish to see, then stop looking.

Yes, all gun control is unconstitutional. So are most laws, and yet the prisons are full of people who weren't harming anyone else.
 
Greg said:
Most people don't see what you see is because your 'clarity' comes at a price most of us can't afford.

You are a Radiologist and can most likely afford a lawyer and the time.

Most people can not afford a court battle, and that is what the system counts on.

Like I said, I hope you prevail.. You are fighting for those who can't afford the fight.
Click to expand...

i just study and I think for myself.
then I’m gonna stand up for the truth, come hell and high water.
and yeah, I got the best lawyer I can find — me.
when I prevail I’m throwing a party 🎉 with guns and hookers,

Who’s coming?!
 
KBCraig said:
He'll just point out the gold fringe on the flag, the prosecutor will hang his head, and the judge will mutter, "Curses! Foiled again!" as he dismisses the case.



No, the question is why you see that so plainly. And the answer to the question, is that you seek what you wish to see, then stop looking.

Yes, all gun control is unconstitutional. So are most laws, and yet the prisons are full of people who weren't harming anyone else.
Click to expand...
That's where you got it wrong -- The license to carry is 100% constitutional as written.

It is intended to be an entitlement for professionals and a benefit for the people:

The legislative authorization for the license to carry entitles public safety and security professionals to protect the people in the enjoyment of their lives and liberties, and guards them against incompetence, fraud and imposition. These professional entitlements do not diminish the original right of the people to defend themselves, but merely furnish to them a means to delegate their power to well trained safety and security professionals, who may act on their behalf.

That's why the license to carry is authorized by Part I of our General Laws, entitled the "Administration Of The Government," which is "to secure the existence of the body politic, to protect it, and to furnish the individuals who compose it with the power of enjoying in safety and tranquility their natural rights, and the blessings of life." Read the Preamble to the Massachusetts Constitution.

They're not hiding this stuff, go read it for yourself!
 
Rob Boudrie said:
True, however, this is overriden by definitions contained with the law which makes them stated definitions.
Click to expand...
Really?!

Plz show me where the MGL 140 § 121 definition of a firearm includes the military arms, uniforms and equipment we get to keep in our households per MGL 60 § 24.

You gotta stop assuming things, and start proving things. I would suggest first reading the actual law.
 
KBCraig said:
He'll just point out the gold fringe on the flag, the prosecutor will hang his head, and the judge will mutter, "Curses! Foiled again!" as he dismisses the case.



No, the question is why you see that so plainly. And the answer to the question, is that you seek what you wish to see, then stop looking.

Yes, all gun control is unconstitutional. So are most laws, and yet the prisons are full of people who weren't harming anyone else.
Click to expand...
So, it’s almost like he’s fighting the good fight.
 
Dr. Kang Lu said:
i just study and I think for myself.
then I’m gonna stand up for the truth, come hell and high water.
and yeah, I got the best lawyer I can find — me.
when I prevail I’m throwing a party 🎉 with guns and hookers,

Who’s coming?!
Click to expand...

If you're representing yourself in court as your own lawyer then you have a fool for a client. Auntie Maura, our very own bojack horseman AG, will use every legal trick and tool to toss you into a cell and let you rot. Like I said in Massachusetts the punishment for crime is used against the most innocent of people while the vile, wicked and violent of our society are allowed to roam free. I like what you have said and agree with you but the state has near infinite resources, they can spend millions wiping you out financially in order to make an example of you. Without adequate legal representation they will wear you down dollar by dollar until you have nothing left.
 
Many on here are scared of their own shadow. The Target sports thread is the one that sent that home for me. Here I was with a major ammo supplier standing up to the MA AG(in writing) and all the whining and crying on here over saying their name publicly. The only revolution that would ever happen in MA again is if Beacon Hill passed a law legalizing it. [rofl]
 
KBCraig said:
Yes, all gun control is unconstitutional. So are most laws, and yet the prisons are full of people who weren't harming anyone else.
Click to expand...

This is why I voted for marijuana legalization and by legalization I was hoping for no regulations but I didn't vote for it to partake I just think that a group of idiot cops arresting a black man and shoving him in the prison system for having a joint in the back pocket is morally wrong. There's so many laws I would like to see rolled back but until we get politicians with a spine and unfortunately that excludes about 99.99% of all republicans in office, nothing will ever happen. We're stuck in this dystopia.
 
MagGus1820 said:
Many on here are scared of their own shadow. The Target sports thread is the one that sent that home for me. Here I was with a major ammo supplier standing up to the MA AG(in writing) and all the whining and crying on here over saying their name publicly. The only revolution that would ever happen in MA again is if Beacon Hill passed a law legalizing it. [rofl]
Click to expand...

Were you facing felony charges or just using words to make a case? There's a difference here.
 
VetteGirlMA said:
If you're representing yourself in court as your own lawyer then you have a fool for a client. Auntie Maura, our very own bojack horseman AG, will use every legal trick and tool to toss you into a cell and let you rot. Like I said in Massachusetts the punishment for crime is used against the most innocent of people while the vile, wicked and violent of our society are allowed to roam free. I like what you have said and agree with you but the state has near infinite resources, they can spend millions wiping you out financially in order to make an example of you. Without adequate legal representation they will wear you down dollar by dollar until you have nothing left.
Click to expand...
How do you expect to win with an attitude like that?!
Don’t you even know who is on my side?
Auntie Maura serves me, and you, and we the people.
She is our substitute and assign, and accountable to us at all times.
Stay tuned and you shall see.
 
Dr. Kang Lu said:
How do you expect to win with an attitude like that?!
Don’t you even know who is on my side?
Auntie Maura serves me, and you, and we the people.
She is our substitute and assign, and accountable to us at all times.
Stay tuned and you shall see.
Click to expand...

Just like I wouldn't hire a plumber to be a radiologist in a hospital, I wouldn't expect someone representing themselves to be very successful.

Auntie Maura is like every other politician, she serves whoever makes the biggest donation to her campaign and one of the largest are the gun grabber orgs.
 
VetteGirlMA said:
Just like I wouldn't hire a plumber to be a radiologist in a hospital, I wouldn't expect someone representing themselves to be very successful.

Auntie Maura is like every other politician, she serves whoever makes the biggest donation to her campaign and one of the largest are the gun grabber orgs.
Click to expand...
Most Plumbers I know are legitimately smart, clever and skillful people.
they are certainly capable of doing radiology if properly trained.
so why can’t a radiologist defend himself in court?
 
Dr. Kang Lu said:
Most Plumbers I know are legitimately smart, clever and skillful people.
they are certainly capable of doing radiology if properly trained.
so why can’t a radiologist defend himself in court?
Click to expand...
I believe that the point being made is not relating to smart, but to trained.

If you enter an arena where practice and experience are important, then the lack of that can be a severe liability.

I know a bunch of smart people that almost don't know what end of a hammer to hold, but can do advanced math. They may be able to fix the Hubble, but I'd not want them building me a deck, or running water pipes.

Sure, a plumber could transition to radiology, but I'd not want them reading my MRI until they had training.

MsHappy is an RN. She once had a guy collapse at a Bridge game, so she started CPR. Another person jumped in to help. EMT arrived, and the other CPR person gave the details in a very professional manner. "Are you a Doctor? Do you want to run the Code?" asked the EMT.

"Oh, God no! I'm a radiologist!" (true story). The point is that specialist training, experience, and practice can make a huge difference.


That said, best wishes.
 
Dr. Kang Lu said:
Most Plumbers I know are legitimately smart, clever and skillful people.
they are certainly capable of doing radiology if properly trained.
so why can’t a radiologist defend himself in court?
Click to expand...
Most plumbers I know are not only legitimately smart, clever and skillful, they are also far more honest than any politician currently drawing a breath.

I'm on your side.

The laws of MA drove me out. I'll never set foot in the state again or subject myself to their tyranny.

Anyone ever notice how concerened politicians were regarding "Stare Decisis" during the Kavanaugh and Amy Coney Barret appointment hearings?

Stare Decisis allows bad law to continue to stand. It should be obliterated from the U.S. judicial system.
 
Dr. Kang Lu said:
I fought the IRS, and won.
they sent me back my money + plus + interest.
then they sent me a letter telling me not to write them, and zeroed out my tax liabilities.
havent paid a dime in federal or state income tax Since 2015.

Molon Labe, bitches.
Click to expand...
Oh please, that's not a big deal, anyone with their own business can do it. I got audited when I ran my own business with a handful of subcontractors, I was paying next to nothing in taxes and the IRS didn't like that. I wrote out some explanation, copied some receipts, even gave them a hand written list of expenses I didn't have receipts for (little surprised they accepted that), and wrote a check for $3.00 For my "calculation" error. They accepted the whole thing and moved on. Not paying taxes gets easy when you have a business and are willing to stretch the truth, my guess is they will get around to you sooner or later.
Dr. Kang Lu said:
i just study and I think for myself.
then I’m gonna stand up for the truth, come hell and high water.
and yeah, I got the best lawyer I can find — me.
when I prevail I’m throwing a party 🎉 with guns and hookers,

Who’s coming?!
Click to expand...
You don't have a lawyer because no lawyer would take this position in court. Most of your stuff won't even be allowed by the judge, a jury is never going to hear it. You'll appeal and appeal and appeal, but eventually you're going to jail.

Not saying it's right or wrong, just saying its reality. You either fight in the real world or live in a fantasy (in jail).
 

Similar threads

Help identify
Replies
4
Views
202
Taipan01
Taipan01
  • Poll
Help me decide
2 3
Replies
73
Views
1K
Supermoto
Supermoto
Need a good 2A attorney for a friend
2 3 4
Replies
96
Views
3K
Len-2A Training
Len-2A Training
Help me ID this bit of ammo
Replies
10
Views
374
straightshooterjake
S
Help me learn to love .22
3 4 5
Replies
145
Views
3K
PATRON
PATRON
Back
Top Bottom