Is ATF Using AI-Powered Facial Recognition To ID Gun Owners?

[Reptile]

Several reports now indicate that ATF has access to and utilizes facial recognition technology to identify gun owners. In fact, two Government Accountability Office reports confirm that ATF does have access to various facial recognition systems, including Clearview AI, Vigilant Solutions, and other systems owned by other federal, state, local, tribal, or territorial law enforcement agencies.

The Government Accountability Office described the Clearview AI database as:

"A web-based facial recognition service using 30+ billion facial images sourced from publicly available websites, including news media, mugshot, and social media websites, among others."

A 2021 GAO report found that ATF did not have sufficient accountability mechanisms "to track what non-federal systems with facial recognition technology are used by employees."

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[lutstribe]

Yes. Not "registration"but faces.

 

[MGnoob]

I’d be more worried about fleshlight recognition

 

[Mark from ?]

I thought they used 4473's to do that already for like 100 years now......but yeah....Im sure we have been on lists for a long time now and it doesnt take AI to do it.

 

[Picton]

...obviously the .gov is going to use AI for facial rec. Why would anyone think they wouldn't?

It's one of my many, many problems with the existence of AI.

 

[BroncoAZ]

After yesterday’s Apple update be sure to go click this option.

 

[Dennis in MA]

I have too many other things to worry about than the ATF using "AI" to look at my face. LOL

 

[Warm_Garand]

Remember the push for a "Real ID" drivers license? They didn't allow you to opt out. You had to get one.

The camera they used was not just taking your picture in 2D. It was collecting biometrics.

Biometrics | Homeland Security

At the Department of Homeland Security, biometrics are used for detecting and preventing illegal entry into the United States, granting and administering proper immigration benefits, vetting and credentialing, facilitating legitimate travel and trade, enforcing federal laws, and enabling...

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Back in the day I recall a quote from a high-ranking official who (regarding RFID chips in driver's licenses) said his goal was to develop the tech so that anyone passing by a highway checkpoint on a bus could be tracked seamlessly by sensors without the bus even slowing down.

 

[pastera]

Remember the push for a "Real ID" drivers license? They didn't allow you to opt out. You had to get one.

The camera they used was not just taking your picture in 2D. It was collecting biometrics.

Biometrics | Homeland Security

At the Department of Homeland Security, biometrics are used for detecting and preventing illegal entry into the United States, granting and administering proper immigration benefits, vetting and credentialing, facilitating legitimate travel and trade, enforcing federal laws, and enabling...

www.dhs.gov

Back in the day I recall a quote from a high-ranking official who (regarding RFID chips in driver's licenses) said his goal was to develop the tech so that anyone passing by a highway checkpoint on a bus could be tracked seamlessly by sensors without the bus even slowing down.

That's why I refuse the real ID and won't do the facial scan at the airport

 

[Rob Boudrie]

That's why I refuse the real ID and won't do the facial scan at the airport

It does not really matter. The RMV database includes facial recognition software and you cannot opt out if you get a driving license or non-driver RMV ID.

MA updated procedures a while ago so local PD's now need a warrant to do a RMV facial ID search.

Every once in a while a DL applicant gets a false positive on an existing photo of another driver and is required to show up in person so the RMV can verify their papers to be order.

 

[Qwikdraw45]

Remember the push for a "Real ID" drivers license? They didn't allow you to opt out. You had to get one.

The camera they used was not just taking your picture in 2D. It was collecting biometrics.

Biometrics | Homeland Security

At the Department of Homeland Security, biometrics are used for detecting and preventing illegal entry into the United States, granting and administering proper immigration benefits, vetting and credentialing, facilitating legitimate travel and trade, enforcing federal laws, and enabling...

www.dhs.gov

Back in the day I recall a quote from a high-ranking official who (regarding RFID chips in driver's licenses) said his goal was to develop the tech so that anyone passing by a highway checkpoint on a bus could be tracked seamlessly by sensors without the bus even slowing down.

REAL ID is optional in NH, and our DMV cameras are NOT recording any biometrics. It's just a picture.

 

[Rob Boudrie]

REAL ID is optional in NH, and our DMV cameras are NOT recording any biometrics. It's just a picture.

For 2D facial ID, it is not what the camera records but what software does with the info once it is gathered.

 

[lutstribe]

bondi redirected atf resources to guns from tobacco and alcohol . brandon herrara for atf director .

 

[namedpipes]

I’d be more worried about fleshlight recognition

I understand they are "signed" somehow. Maybe on the case? @Reptile, do you know how they're identified?

 

[Qwikdraw45]

For 2D facial ID, it is not what the camera records but what software does with the info once it is gathered.

NH is not doing anything but storing it. If someone wants to opt out of keeping their photo in the system they can do so - as long as they don't have REAL ID which requires keeping it on file.