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yeah the dems are going to steal the election. Trump will not concede if there's obvious voter fraud. if Trump clearly wins on election night but then over the following 2 weeks as absentee/provisional ballots are counted Biden will close the gap. the importance of getting this scotus seat filled is pretty obvious.

the post election riots are going to be absolute mayhem. I never though I'd see the country in the shape it's in. I really don't see how a country this divided can survive long term.
 

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The democrats are not even trying to steal the election. They are just trying to discredit the election. Wouldn't be surprised if the democratic graveyard votes went for Trump, bigger the margin Trump wins with the louder they can screech Russia Russia Russia.
 
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yeah the dems are going to steal the election. Trump will not concede if there's obvious voter fraud. if Trump clearly wins on election night but then over the following 2 weeks as absentee/provisional ballots are counted Biden will close the gap. the importance of getting this scotus seat filled is pretty obvious.

the post election riots are going to be absolute mayhem. I never though I'd see the country in the shape it's in. I really don't see how a country this divided can survive long term.
you're right. and you have no idea how angry people are in in section of NC. something like 9 days after the election ballots can be counted.

Do you have any idea how easy it is to acquire a post office date stamp?
 

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sure looks like it. if they're military ballots, then, yeah....carefully removed trump votes..
The "beauty" of Fraud-By-Mail is they need not do it with a significant degree of precision. Merely attacking certain Census tracts works, or military voters. Even better is if they can make note of whose vote got dumped - that way, they could file a fraudulent ballot in said person's name.

The avenues of fraud this opens up are IMMENSE:
- Ballot harvesting: offering to "assist" people complete their ballots (with, instead, a completed ballot sent in on their behalf).
- The aforementioned: removing a valid ballot from the mail stream, with or without replacing it with a substitute.
- Filing ballots in the name of likely non-voters (e.g. the young or very old): this is likely a biggie as it's difficult to detect - you'd need to interview the people in question and ask if they've actually filed a ballot themselves.
- The usual: dead etc. "voting"
- My NPC example: adding fictitious people to the roles and using their names to cast votes.
 

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The democrats are not even trying to steal the election. They are just trying to discredit the election. Wouldn't be surprised if the democratic graveyard votes went for Trump, bigger the margin Trump wins with the louder they can screech Russia Russia Russia.
This might be it right here.

Let's play this out:

Hillary was supposed to win, RBG retire, the grand conspiracy march on.
Trump broke their carefully planned and executed scheme. He wasn't supposed to win. He wasn't even supposed to run, but the GOP played by the rules and when he won the primary, they ran him.
Then he won.

The left screeched and cried and refused to believe it. The Democrats started digging for dirt to get Trump out. The problem is that being the bombastic, egotistical b*stard he is, all the dirt that would have hurt him had been discovered and used by everyone else over the years. There were no skeletons to dig up. So they started making things up. We get "scandal" after scandal all of which appear to be their own doings with Trumps name glued over their own. Nothing sticks and eventually gets exposed as fakery. They go so far as to impeach which predictably doesn't stick.

So here we are. You would think that the Democrats would run someone who could beat Trump, but instead they trot out candidates with the same values that America outside of leftist cities rejected. America is rejecting those values again. So the Democrats have to run someone nice and neutral to have a chance. All they have left is Biden. Biden isn't lefty enough for the radical side of the Democratic party but too wishy washy write them off and try to win the middle. So, they are set up to lose again.

What are their options?

Try to win normally. Unlikely to succeed.
Try to cheat to win. Unlikely to succeed at this point since the cat is out of the bag already. The whole world is watching and everything is going to be scrutinized.
Do nothing and try again in four years. An achievable goal.
Cheat to lose.

I believe that at this point, with a candidate that would be lucky to hold together long enough to make inauguration, Hillary II waiting to replace him, and Trump lining up for a repeat of 2016 their best bet for crushing the Republican party is to try to make Trump's second term somehow illegitimate. If they make the election process questionable, make the results arguable, and get a decision via the courts rather than the traditional way, you have already called the President's legitimacy into question. If they then concentrate on burning everything they can to the ground (both literally and figuratively) and making everyone in America hurt and angry they can point to Trump and say "There is the reason! There is the cause! Do you want another Republican or do you want us to fix it?" and in four years they can run their socialist and lefty platform and people will say "Yes, please. Anything to make the pain stop!".

I believe the Democrats are going to shoot the moon. They are going to try to lose so hard they win. When you are out of options you will try anything.
 

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This might be it right here.

Let's play this out:

Hillary was supposed to win, RBG retire, the grand conspiracy march on.
Trump broke their carefully planned and executed scheme. He wasn't supposed to win. He wasn't even supposed to run, but the GOP played by the rules and when he won the primary, they ran him.
Then he won.

The left screeched and cried and refused to believe it. The Democrats started digging for dirt to get Trump out. The problem is that being the bombastic, egotistical b*stard he is, all the dirt that would have hurt him had been discovered and used by everyone else over the years. There were no skeletons to dig up. So they started making things up. We get "scandal" after scandal all of which appear to be their own doings with Trumps name glued over their own. Nothing sticks and eventually gets exposed as fakery. They go so far as to impeach which predictably doesn't stick.

So here we are. You would think that the Democrats would run someone who could beat Trump, but instead they trot out candidates with the same values that America outside of leftist cities rejected. America is rejecting those values again. So the Democrats have to run someone nice and neutral to have a chance. All they have left is Biden. Biden isn't lefty enough for the radical side of the Democratic party but too wishy washy write them off and try to win the middle. So, they are set up to lose again.

What are their options?

Try to win normally. Unlikely to succeed.
Try to cheat to win. Unlikely to succeed at this point since the cat is out of the bag already. The whole world is watching and everything is going to be scrutinized.
Do nothing and try again in four years. An achievable goal.
Cheat to lose.

I believe that at this point, with a candidate that would be lucky to hold together long enough to make inauguration, Hillary II waiting to replace him, and Trump lining up for a repeat of 2016 their best bet for crushing the Republican party is to try to make Trump's second term somehow illegitimate. If they make the election process questionable, make the results arguable, and get a decision via the courts rather than the traditional way, you have already called the President's legitimacy into question. If they then concentrate on burning everything they can to the ground (both literally and figuratively) and making everyone in America hurt and angry they can point to Trump and say "There is the reason! There is the cause! Do you want another Republican or do you want us to fix it?" and in four years they can run their socialist and lefty platform and people will say "Yes, please. Anything to make the pain stop!".

I believe the Democrats are going to shoot the moon. They are going to try to lose so hard they win. When you are out of options you will try anything.
It could be, but we've been down this merry garden path before, in 2000, with the "hanging chads" and all that.

They're not even pretending to play by the rules any longer. They know they cannot win on their own merits with legitimate (and ONLY legitimate) voters in this country.

They're going to CHEAT. They're going to cheat HARD. And they're going to rely on allies in the judiciary to apply the imprimatur.

This is, of course, the thing that has them in an absolute panic about the sudden demise of RBG. Mayhaps he'll get his justice seated in time for the inevitable challenge to SCOTUS. After which they're only option becomes open socialist revolution/civil war.
 

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It could be, but we've been down this merry garden path before, in 2000, with the "hanging chads" and all that.

They're not even pretending to play by the rules any longer. They know they cannot win on their own merits with legitimate (and ONLY legitimate) voters in this country.

They're going to CHEAT. They're going to cheat HARD. And they're going to rely on allies in the judiciary to apply the imprimatur.

This is, of course, the thing that has them in an absolute panic about the sudden demise of RBG. Mayhaps he'll get his justice seated in time for the inevitable challenge to SCOTUS. After which they're only option becomes open socialist revolution/civil war.
And they'll lose that too when tens of millions of well equipped, fed up, pissed off real patriotic Americans litter the streets with their dead and wounded bodies.
Take note of the blm signs, the media outlet offices, etc.......they're going to be the first and hardest hit when the time comes. A "press credential" hanging on a reporter's neck in the open is going to look like a swinging steel target. [laugh]
 

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This might be it right here.

Let's play this out:

Hillary was supposed to win, RBG retire, the grand conspiracy march on.
Trump broke their carefully planned and executed scheme. He wasn't supposed to win. He wasn't even supposed to run, but the GOP played by the rules and when he won the primary, they ran him.
Then he won.

The left screeched and cried and refused to believe it. The Democrats started digging for dirt to get Trump out. The problem is that being the bombastic, egotistical b*stard he is, all the dirt that would have hurt him had been discovered and used by everyone else over the years. There were no skeletons to dig up. So they started making things up. We get "scandal" after scandal all of which appear to be their own doings with Trumps name glued over their own. Nothing sticks and eventually gets exposed as fakery. They go so far as to impeach which predictably doesn't stick.

So here we are. You would think that the Democrats would run someone who could beat Trump, but instead they trot out candidates with the same values that America outside of leftist cities rejected. America is rejecting those values again. So the Democrats have to run someone nice and neutral to have a chance. All they have left is Biden. Biden isn't lefty enough for the radical side of the Democratic party but too wishy washy write them off and try to win the middle. So, they are set up to lose again.

What are their options?

Try to win normally. Unlikely to succeed.
Try to cheat to win. Unlikely to succeed at this point since the cat is out of the bag already. The whole world is watching and everything is going to be scrutinized.
Do nothing and try again in four years. An achievable goal.
Cheat to lose.

I believe that at this point, with a candidate that would be lucky to hold together long enough to make inauguration, Hillary II waiting to replace him, and Trump lining up for a repeat of 2016 their best bet for crushing the Republican party is to try to make Trump's second term somehow illegitimate. If they make the election process questionable, make the results arguable, and get a decision via the courts rather than the traditional way, you have already called the President's legitimacy into question. If they then concentrate on burning everything they can to the ground (both literally and figuratively) and making everyone in America hurt and angry they can point to Trump and say "There is the reason! There is the cause! Do you want another Republican or do you want us to fix it?" and in four years they can run their socialist and lefty platform and people will say "Yes, please. Anything to make the pain stop!".

I believe the Democrats are going to shoot the moon. They are going to try to lose so hard they win. When you are out of options you will try anything.
The cat may be out of the bag , but so what ?
No one , not a one has been charged or sent to prison .
And they won't be either.
The Republicans have had a good long while to counter it knowing what was coming and haven't done a damn thing.

The plans are already in the works for the Anifags to disrupt polling places especially in areas know to support Trump.
The feds are well aware of it and will do nothing to stop it .
This one is going to get sporty kids.
 

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anyone who wants their vote to count, particularly if they are voting Trump, needs to show up in person to vote. Double check the machine is registering your vote correctly if it's an electronic screen as we have also seen that be "messed up" as well.
 

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anyone who wants their vote to count, particularly if they are voting Trump, needs to show up in person to vote. Double check the machine is registering your vote correctly if it's an electronic screen as we have also seen that be "messed up" as well.

Even the democrats are beginning to realize that voting in person is important. Maybe the nervous "we're all gonna die from the commie virus if we vote in person" will sit at home. I really think that Trump sending in the feds is going to highlight the bad aspects of the election very quickly. I don't think that democrats are going to be able to print out enough ballots on the copier machine at Staples to sway an election without the people noticing what is going on. I expect to see lots of lawsuits.
 

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Even the democrats are beginning to realize that voting in person is important. Maybe the nervous "we're all gonna die from the commie virus if we vote in person" will sit at home. I really think that Trump sending in the feds is going to highlight the bad aspects of the election very quickly. I don't think that democrats are going to be able to print out enough ballots on the copier machine at Staples to sway an election without the people noticing what is going on. I expect to see lots of lawsuits.
you under estimate the Dems. Last election HRC "received" more votes in some districts than there were actual registered voters (including the dead ones still on the rolls). They may have learned something from that election and I am betting they have their bases covered.
 
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Best thing the GOP can do is to ensure someone besides Trump claims office in 2021. The peaceful transition of power is a cornerstone of democracy. Find some other posterboy to run the country and at least you can stave off riots.
 

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Best thing the GOP can do is to ensure someone besides Trump claims office in 2021. The peaceful transition of power is a cornerstone of democracy. Find some other posterboy to run the country and at least you can stave off riots.
Mittens or Jeb? I'd rather have a Trump monarchy then another gopcuck president.
 

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Plan on voting via absentee ballot, my question is there a cut off date for receiving mail in/absentee ballots by state law.
No. I will vote in person. I can see my name checked off coming in for the ballot and checked off when I turn it in.
We are still old school paper in town.
 
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