John Ross, author of "Unintended Consequences" died April 30, 2022

[Fixxah]

Anyone looking for a copy we can thank @June4th for a quality pdf copy in post #4 of this thread.

I don't think my phone would be the best platform to read it on.

 

[KBCraig]

My Ross ancestors lived in St. Francois County, MO (just south of St. Louis), but as far as I know, we're not related (despite there being a bunch of John Rosses in my family tree).

 

[KBCraig]

This post from Indiana Gun Owners forum is informative:

Being a Democrat from a certain era, and being "liberal in many ways", can mean taking the same stance as many libertarian-leaning Republicans today.

There was a time when being "liberal" meant supporting liberty and rights.

 

[AllaSnackbah]

Shit i had an audiobook copy somewhere

EDIT: I have it on my phone still. Files too big to put on the thread as an attachment, one of you tech nerds help me out

 

[June4th]

Shit i had an audiobook copy somewhere

EDIT: I have it on my phone still. Files too big to put on the thread as an attachment, one of you tech nerds help me out

Create a dummy gmail account and upload it to YouTube, or simply upload to G-drive and share the link here.

 

[AllaSnackbah]

@Fiishfinder was kind enough to loan us his google drive

UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES - Google Drive

drive.google.com

 

[AllaSnackbah]

That drive link worky? ^^^

 

[AJK129]

That drive link worky? ^^^

It comes up as empty for me

 

[AllaSnackbah]

It comes up as empty for me

Ok i saw one file in there and another uploading

 

[OU812]

RIP, John. What a great blend of history, drama and inspiration you put together in a book. Indeed the world is a lesser place now. I'm putting the eBook here. Mods, please remove if there are copy right concerns.

Thank you! Much better than the $89 price on Amazon and eBay.

 

[AllaSnackbah]

It comes up as empty for me

Try now

 

[June4th]

I don't think my phone would be the best platform to read it on.

I suggest go with the audio book Snacks posted, or read it on a tablet/computer or paperwhite ebook reader such as Amazon Kindle.

 

[AJK129]

Try now

I see it now, thanks

 

[KBCraig]

I'm re-reading it, and I'm at U.S. v. Miller.

While it is a fictionalized and dramatized version of an historic event, Ross gives Heartsill Ragon way too much credit.

Reality: Ragon was't sympathetic to Miller. In fact, he was part of the conspiracy to create this case and fast-track it to SCOTUS. He favored a total ban on private ownership of handguns.

Heartsill Ragon - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

http://www.law.nyu.edu/sites/default/files/ECM_PRO_060964.pdf

 

[KBCraig]

I knew the book started out as a highly dramatized semi-autobiography, before veering into a dark future many of us have thought about. There are many similarities between Henry Bowman and John Ross (aerobatic pilot, skydiver, self defense handgun instructor, enthusiast of big-bore guns). Henry's father and John's father were both named Walter. IIRC, John's ex-wife was named Cindy, and reportedly shared many traits with Cindy Caswell (including a preference for women that led to their amicable divorce).

One of John's sisters lives in NH.

As for resemblances, Henry Bowman's month-long African safari was John Ross's actual safari. Including the Rodda 4 Bore double rifle.

Rodda & Co. 4 Bore Double Rifle - Revivaler

The 4 Bore: the Black Powder Era Elephant Gun The early elephant hunters back in the black powder era of the early to mid nineteenth century did not have access to rifles or guns that could...

revivaler.com

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSUkmiz4nhg

 

[whacko]

You forget that in the land before time some democrats were actually normal. Go to a square state 20 yrs ago, most dems were pro gun in those places.

Absolutely

1994 AWB was not supported by the majority of Democrat voters especially in the south. This hard split with dems and the gop has happened over the last 15 to 20 years or so.

 

[KBCraig]

You forget that in the land before time some democrats were actually normal. Go to a square state 20 yrs ago, most dems were pro gun in those places.

John Ross described himself as a "Pre-Roosevelt Democrat: a Democrat without the Socialism".

I hope he didn't mean he was a Woodrow Wilson Democrat: a Democrat with all the racism.

 

[whacko]

I'm re-reading it, and I'm at U.S. v. Miller.

While it is a fictionalized and dramatized version of an historic event, Ross gives Heartsill Ragon way too much credit.

Reality: Ragon was't sympathetic to Miller. In fact, he was part of the conspiracy to create this case and fast-track it to SCOTUS. He favored a total ban on private ownership of handguns.

Heartsill Ragon - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

http://www.law.nyu.edu/sites/default/files/ECM_PRO_060964.pdf

I'm reading the book now as well. Wonder why Ross changed the ragon story? He easily could have told the real ragon events.......as the book is basically about government corruption.

 

[Road_Clam]

He was a Democrat ???, a gun rights guy and a Democrat doesn’t sound right.

Unfortunately my wife is as well. She considers herself a "soft conservative dem" ? . She loves guns, hated trump. We live under a house divided , no talking politics. It works.