I have Kahr PM40 the one with the Night sights and CT that I picked up used from my local shop. The issue Im having is that at 25 yards the thing shoots into the dirt? I realize this the PM40 is a close range weapon and is not a target pistol but at 15 yards if I aim at the head of a human silhouette target I get a beautiful group below the belt. This is unacceptable and have not carried it since talking it to the range. What are my options? Every magazine with reviews praise the Kahr for being accurate with such a short barrel and I believe it is. It keeps a tight group just very low. What should I do?
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Kahr PM40 shoots extremely low
- Thread starter Mr Bubbles
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Even at 15 and 10 yards it extremely low. With a tight group. Most of the time I get top shot for my at my facility with my service pistol. But it was my first time shooting the Kahr. I think if I was pulling the shots I wouldn't be able to do it so consistent.
I have not shot the Kahr yet, and I'm no expert, but I have shot similar guns in the Walther PPS .40 and the Ruger LC9. That Kahr should be accurate even up to 25 yards easy.
#1) Establish it's not the sights by shooting it off a bench set-up.
If it's the sights, adjust them and problem solved.
#2) If it's not the sights, have a proficient shooter shoot it and see if their good technique makes for bad accuracy.
If it shoots well in their hands, it's likely your poor technique.
#3) If it shoots like crap in a proficient shooter's hands, the problem is likely a trigger problem. The trigger could be too heavy or too long, which causes the muzzle to move excessively even when using decent technique.
If it's a heavy or long trigger issue, get a trigger job done that will lighten, and or, shorten the trigger to make it easier to shoot accurately.
Some say you can train to adjust your technique to accommodate the crappy trigger, but I don't think that's a good idea as you will end up using bad technique on a decent gun trigger.
The only answer to this may be a trigger job, which will lighten the trigger.
I'm no expert, but those are my thoughts on the matter.
#1) Establish it's not the sights by shooting it off a bench set-up.
If it's the sights, adjust them and problem solved.
#2) If it's not the sights, have a proficient shooter shoot it and see if their good technique makes for bad accuracy.
If it shoots well in their hands, it's likely your poor technique.
#3) If it shoots like crap in a proficient shooter's hands, the problem is likely a trigger problem. The trigger could be too heavy or too long, which causes the muzzle to move excessively even when using decent technique.
If it's a heavy or long trigger issue, get a trigger job done that will lighten, and or, shorten the trigger to make it easier to shoot accurately.
Some say you can train to adjust your technique to accommodate the crappy trigger, but I don't think that's a good idea as you will end up using bad technique on a decent gun trigger.
The only answer to this may be a trigger job, which will lighten the trigger.
I'm no expert, but those are my thoughts on the matter.
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Maybe the issue is the front sight? If you are shooting low, maybe you need one with a higher post?
A lot of problems regarding fixed sight guns i.e. windage and elevation issues are really sight problems assuming you have no flaws in your technique (which apparently you don't).
A lot of problems regarding fixed sight guns i.e. windage and elevation issues are really sight problems assuming you have no flaws in your technique (which apparently you don't).
Well, since you can shoot service pistol very well I'm sure it's not technique. How's the slide lockup? Is there any play on the front of the frame? Does the front sight 'dive' when you dry fire? Have you tried shooting from a rest?
Yeah, my M&P .40c shot low and to the left like a champ. But I'm a novice pistol shooter, and low and to the left is a typical sign of poor technique so I wasn't sure what to do.
It was so consistent that if I wanted to hit the bullseye all I had to do was aim up and high from the bullseye.
Instead of doing the rigamarole of all the stuff I listed in my previous post, however, I went and had the trigger job done and it shot like a champ after that. Massachusetts makes gunmakers put heavy, heavy triggers in the guns. Good, accurate guns usually have a 3-6 pound trigger. Commiechusetts forces manufacturers to make many of their triggers 10-15 pounds!
This actually makes the weapon even more dangerous to innocent people if it was to be used for personal defense as it won't easily shoot where you point it, but to the left, right, below, wherever innocent people may be. Crazy...
Action seems smooth consistent and don't bind. But part of the "safty" is a long trigger. I think it has more to do with the sights then technique. Is there a brand of sights that are longer then others? I would like to keep the night sights as I do use it for home defense as well as concealed carry.
I have no issues shooting the small framed Glock .40. I have tried different types of ammo as well. They all shoot dead center just low. It just sucks because I love how small it is and it still feels comfortable to shoot and carry. I can hide it under a white T with my Crossbreed SuperTuck. May have my pops work the trigger on it. If that don't work I think Im just going to sell it.
Thanks for the suggestions.
Thanks for the suggestions.
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Every Kahr I own or have shot it as accurate ( if not more ) than any stock glock...... This IS technique and and need for lots of practice with the sidearm you decide to carry
If thats the case It's gone. Im not going to change what works for every other pistol. It's not practical, under pressure your just going to revert back to muscle memory. In this case it's a bad thing. Just wish I knew the PM40 wasn't for me before I purchased the thing.
Maybe I will try that new single stack XD
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Take this with a huge grain of salt: I heard from a local gun shop that Kahr is using the same trigger for all its PM guns across the nation. Knowing what we know about Mass. compliance and awful, heavy triggers, and knowing that the gun is still considered Mass. compliant, perhaps they've made all their triggers awful, heavy triggers on a national scale?
