Leftwing hypocrisy on parade.

[drgrant]

None of the countries that have better health care outcomes than the US are even close to the running water is optional" level of poverty. Are you really suggesting that the scope and quality of healthcare has nothing to do with health outcomes? That is quite counter-intuitive and I think requires some explanation beyond suggesting that I lack a brain.

You misread my statement. The reason I drew that parallel was to illustrate that countries below that bar, in relative terms, have much bigger "healthcare problems" than we do. They lack things like running water and basic sanitation, things which kill a shitload of people. My point in mentioning this is to illustrate that people who live below that bar are probably not dying of the same things someone in the first world is dying of.

You're not going to sit there and try to tell me that, something like the difference in life expectancy of 2.5 years in favor of Canada is entirely attributable to the differences in healthcare systems?

My point is that comparison would work if "all other things were equal" but they clearly are not. This type of argument is as stupid as the one where antis and pro gunners who compare violent crime rates in the US relative to other countries- when the reality is, that it's one of the dumbest ways to make the comparison because it completely ignores all the other significant, low order factors that make up the statistic. It's being disingenuous, on a good
day.

-Mike

 

[Jose]

Well. Infant mortality rates show a number of socialist or countries with active socialist parties sharing or having power that have better rates than the US. Sweden #5; Italy #9; France #11; Finland #12; Norway #14; USA #49.

Life expectancy finds the US again behind most other European countries and Canada providing national medical care--socialized medicine as it is negatively called in our country. Single payer systems to those in the know.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy

We have death camps for libtards, that's why our mortality rates are so high.

 

[cekim]

You're not going to sit there and try to tell me that, something like the difference in life expectancy of 2.5 years in favor of Canada is entirely attributable to the differences in healthcare systems?

Yes, yes he is...

Which is even more amusing given the data from the Great Depression which showed that life expectancy actually increased, suddenly by something like 6 years - as a result of constricted calorie diets actually increasing lifespan. A phenomenon which is still not fully understood.

What it reminds us of though is we do have a problem with excess consumption of food and/or poor choice in food in this nation which can easily explain, independent of access to healthcare (just look at the diabetes rates). That isn't a government problem though, that is a cultural problem.

No, I guess it is just more of the same "just give .govey more power and they will fix it all" nonsense from Baikal49... [sad2]

 

[LowSider]

So, let's summarize your argument:
1. "Death camps are ok, because in the end, life expectancy goes up!" (which is likely true since you kill the weak - you fit right in with the progressives of the last century).

2. "Medicare has been around a long time so it works"
No, no it doesn't... Much as with your European argument it ignores some very broken, but long timeline malfunctions that are currently adding up to a currency crisis that has only just begun.

It does not matter if it is popular, it is unsustainable. It will fail in our lifetimes (it is failing now by virtue of polluting prices of medical care to the point that most people can no longer afford it).

Both parties can put their fingers in their ears and ignore this along with those on it and headed that way, but it doesn't change the structural failure in the system.

3. "Lower life expectancy due to lack of access to care"

ok, now that's a reasonable argument, to which I respond:
a. See cost issue from broken system - not from market failure, but failure of socialist systems we have already tried.
b. War on drugs and "normalization" of welfare has created a massive underclass of people incapable of participating in our economy.
c. Our economy has been crippled by other statist and socialist policies that have made it too cumbersome and expensive to keep production here that would have provided legitimate jobs.

The current climate of waiting around for .gov to decide which businesses live and die based on subsidy and risk guarantee is absolutely stifling to any sort of recovery. So, even if we had a work force unencumbered by ridiculous regulations and elevated costs, it currently makes more sense to do business elsewhere.

The life expectancy in this nation - one of the most diverse on the planet - is not evenly distributed. You are drawing a straight correlative (not causal) line to the lack of Euro-socialist healthcare as the cause when in reality there are quite a few factors that are feeding into that independent of healthcare which will remain even if you do manage to implement ObamaCare.

That was perfect.

/Thread closed.

 

[Baikal49]

Yeah, you just keep telling yourself that Buckwheat!

And you have a butt in your mouth. Who's stupid??

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I'm not sure if they are gay I just know they are anti-gun like most liberals. And don't be so shocked if you are the liberal Democrat you say you are, then you know your core group.

Going out on a limb here but I bet you enjoy the Valley Advocate also.

Your limb just broke clean and dumped you in the horse dung.

 

[LowSider]

See 1:37.

 

[Baikal49]

I think you missed the point - Medicare has been around a long time, people that are on it generally do not want to give it up, that implies that they prefer having Medicare to not having Medicare. Which, considering the sorry performance of private health insurance, is no surprise.

BINGO!! We have a winner!

 

[Jose]

Not sure how "stupid" I am, but I am a lot smarter and better informed than you are, my friend.

No, you just think you are, pulling bullshit statistics out of the internet and discarding any alternate hypothesis that don't fit the bill.

But don't worry, there's plenty of conservatives that will keep calling out your lame attempts to appear intelligent and well read.

 

[HTRN]

BINGO!! We have a winner!

So, because some people want some service, that justifies slavery and other civil rights violations? Cool!! I want to get laid more, what can the all oppressive state do for me?

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[Jose]

I want to find at least one liberal with the balls to carry out the threats they posted on twitter against that woman.

Just one.

 

[Baikal49]

So, because some people want some service, that justifies slavery and other civil rights violations? Cool!! I want to get laid more, what can the all oppressive state do for me?

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I really wish you had written something cogent that I could respond to. Please, try again.

 

[Jose]

I really wish you had written something cogent that I could respond to. Please, try again.

Can you show me someone from the left with balls? Cojones? Anyone?

Do your parents geld you guys instead of circumsizing you?

 

[LowSider]

BINGO!! We have a winner!

I really wish you had written something cogent that I could respond to. Please, try again.

You missed the other point:
Just because some people like it, it does not mean it is a good system or sustainable!

 

[HTRN]

I really wish you had written something cogent that I could respond to. Please, try again.

Sorry I can only offer you truths, I cannot make you think.

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[Jsfitzgerald85]

There are many liberals I know who are against hunting until you bring to their attention a) the conservation program nature of hunting, and b) the fact that many, if not most, hunters consume the animals they take. I don't hunt, but have enjoyed liberal friends' venison stews every fall. It's never a good idea to paint with too broad a brush. There are nut jobs of all persuasions.

your right there are however given the sample size of the people i have met, the odds are heavily in favor of the left wingers being nastier when it comes to something they dont like. There are Right Wingers like this also (westboro baptist church) im not saying there arent but given my history, ive never been attacked for being a gun owner by a right winger, but i cant tell you how many times ive been insulted by left wingers simply for the fact i exercise my 2nd amendment right

 

[CosmicIrony]

So, because some people want some service, that justifies slavery and other civil rights violations? Cool!! I want to get laid more, what can the all oppressive state do for me?

Wow! That is at least a non sequitur, coupled with irrelevance! Where did slavery get into this discussion? I was going to give you advice on getting laid more, but thought better of it...

 

[drgrant]

I see this thread has gone FR, much like the armless man here in the hotel lobby...