Letter From Ted Nugent

[Finalygotabeltfed]

Who said he was expected to show up with a road crew? Who expected a rock and roll show.

He could have rolled into town for a day like everybody else and given a speech. Others did it without a road show.

People expected that he would lend his stature to the cause. I don't think the focus was on entertainment.

Yes, and the other 179,988,453 people stayed home..............

 

[Titan]

Yes, and the other 179,988,453 people stayed home..............

Interesting, I suppose, but irrelevant to whether or not Ted Nugent is committed to the cause he purports to champion.

Just imagine how many more folks MIGHT have attended if Ted had thrown his weight behind the event AS PROMISED at the outset, and helped promote it nationally (he has a TV show and is interviewed often).

 

[rattletrap1970]

I'm sure lots of folks showed up, with families and normal jobs. Using up their vacation time that they worked for, traveling and lodging on their own dime. What the hell is so special about, an equal that believes in the same cause as passionately as everyone else. Personally I could give a crap less if he shows up or not, his opinions don't sway me one way or the other and are no less important or valid than my own and I sure ain't gonna pay someone to hear their opinions. But don't drone on about how much you care and what a patriot to your cause you are if you have to get paid to show up to support it.

 

[Finalygotabeltfed]

Interesting, I suppose, but irrelevant to whether or not Ted Nugent is committed to the cause he purports to champion.

Just imagine how many more folks MIGHT have attended if Ted had thrown his weight behind the event AS PROMISED at the outset, and helped promote it nationally (he has a TV show and is interviewed often).

Comparatively, This board promoted the event for months in advance and with 11,000+ members, coudn't fill a bus.....even giving the seats away.


EDIT: Bueller? Bueller? Bueller?

 

[Rockrivr1]

A better example would be fund raisers like the Pan MA Challenge. That event is a legit charity, very low percentage of money raised goes to overhead, most of the people doing the work are volunteers .... but, the charity pays $900K for marketing firm owned by the founder of the challenge that pays him $400K per year for his services.

There a significant difference though with the PMC example. The money donated for the Marketing, Salaries and Overhead come directly from Corporate Sponsorship that know what their donation is going towards. These donations also get the Corporate name added to things like Jerseys, banners, advertisements, etc'. There's no percentage of donations skimmed from donors thinking they are supporting the Jimmy Fund and Dana Farber. 100% of all donations given to the riders go directly to the charity with no amount taken off the top.

Ted wanted money right from the donations and coordinator to show up and support a cause that he supposedly feels strongly about. If you feel strongly about it, you support it full boar and don't demand money to support it. I ride in the PMC for no gain other then trying to help those in need. As others have said, he talks the talk but failed miserably at walking the walk. What I find the worst part of this saga is that he not only backed out, but ultimately sabotaged the DC rally. When he pulled out most people thought the rally was falling apart. he did nothing to inform people otherwise. He knew what backing out would do to the cause and he didn't care. For that alone he's a jackass in my book. Anything he has to say going forward again talks the talk, but when push comes to shove he can't be counted on.

 

[rattletrap1970]

Maybe because most people on this board have jobs and prefer to save their vacation time to spend with their families. Just a "what it".
This thread, last I looked, was first, about an article written by Ted Nugent and secondly about how much no one cared because of his not showing up at an event. It was not about how many people from NES didn't who up to an event. Clearly you are a Ted supporter maybe even a fan of his, and that's ok. But to say that Joe average with a normal job is similarly culpable is just silly.

 

[kingfisher]

TN should have done all he could possibly do, FOR FREE, to make the Second Amendment March as huge as possible, but I didn't go down there to see him or to hear his music. I went to make my own personal statement and to hang around with a great bunch of patriotic NESers.

Lucas Hogue's band, with their pro-2A songs, was much more appropriate and inspiring than Cat Scratch Fever would have been anyway.

 

[TomH]

I hope all Americans are raising hell like I am, letting elected officials know that we are deeply offended at the course America is currently on.

Like you did in DC, right?

 

[Sprocket]

 

[Finalygotabeltfed]

Maybe because most people on this board have jobs and prefer to save their vacation time to spend with their families. Just a "what it".
This thread, last I looked, was first, about an article written by Ted Nugent and secondly about how much no one cared because of his not showing up at an event. It was not about how many people from NES didn't who up to an event. Clearly you are a Ted supporter maybe even a fan of his, and that's ok. But to say that Joe average with a normal job is similarly culpable is just silly.

If you are referring to me, I'll bite.

I'm not particularly a Ted Nugent supporter, nor am I a fan(whatever that is)......I've never listened to his music, nor bought his records, but I do and have listened to him speak about gun rights and rights in general and he does so with clarity and conciseness.
I respect the vigor with which he speaks in defense of his rights and from that alone people should get a message.
Whether or not someone like him supports,promotes or shows up to an event, the bottom line is that people have to pull their heads out of their asses, get out of their chairs and stand up and demand to be counted.....because government from local on up doesn't think you count....to include the supreme court.

When a group of 2000 or so out of 180,000,000 gun owners nationwide show up to an event....people are still sitting in their chairs with their heads packed squarely up their asses.

The basic jist of his letter was that we have a supreme court that is morally and ethically tainted and no longer stands for Americans rights, but stands for the right of government to diminish or abolish those rights. That is tyranny, it is wrong and cannot be permitted to stand if this country is expected to exist past the next two SCOTUS appointments.

I fully and whole heartedly agree.....the supreme court has become an enemy of the people for not sledge hammering this case and all others like it, in every degree, completely into the ground forever, in favor of the natural rights of the citizens of this country. There was no room for any opposing views, period.

I also agree with this part in particular and have written and spoken these same words to many :" If anyone thinks for one minute that I am waiting for Miss Ginsburg or anyone else to give me the green light to practice the religion of my choice, or to speak my individual mind, or to write what I damn well please in song or on the pages of newspapers, magazines or websites, they have another painful think coming. Headsup blackrobers, I am in charge of my life, survival, thoughts, statements, writings, religious practices and without a shadow of a doubt, my God given individual right to keep and bear arms to defend myself from evil in any shape or form. And with all due respect, I see and know clear and present evil in tyranny, dictatorships, Emperors, kings, despots, slavedrivers and the history of abuse of power. And I defy it out of hand."

 

[Cato]

I think that the criticism of Nugent is unfounded.

He is not and should not be considered a leader or champion of gun rights. He is simply the equivalent but opposite of a Jane Fonda, Barbara Streisand or Alec Baldwin.

He is a musician-entertainer-TV personality that is outspoken about supporting gun rights.

So he did not go to the march. So what? He is NOT our leader.

There have always been many entertainers that were outspoken about liberal/socialist and anti gun positions. So very few entertainers speak out in favor of gun rights, we should be grateful when some do.

He's just an entertainer. That's all.

 

[drgrant]

I'm sure he's not the only person who gets paid an appearance fee to support a cause.

Yeah, but he was the one that was all gung ho about the idea and drumming up support for it... until he discovered he couldn't make any money on the deal, then he backed out.

I have no problem with people getting appearance fees, etc... that said, it was the way he "sold himself" that didn't sit well with me.

-Mike

 

[Rob Boudrie]

I ride in the PMC for no gain other then trying to help those in need.

The comparison is actually pretty close. You do the PMC as a volunteer to help it out. The person promoting the event believes in the cause, but get a $400K salary for himself and $50K for his wife (figures have probably gone up since this was disclosed). The people attending the DC march were not paying any incremental amount to the Nuge, nor are sponsors of the PMC riders having any of that money filtered off at Mr. Starr's cut. In both cases, the cause relys on volunteer labor but some people expect to be handsomely compensated for their contribution.

I ride in the PMC for no gain other then trying to help those in need.

You do. The PMC leader does not - although he may have in the early days. That being said, the charity is legit, and the "100% of incremental donations go to the cause" is a very positive selling point.

 

[LoginName]

Ted Nugent?

You mean Mr Gung-Ho, kick-ass, love it or leave it, Team America Ted Nugent?...

October 1977 interview of Ted Nugent: How did you get out of the draft? Ted: So I got my notice to be in the draft. Do you think I was gonna lay down my guitar & go play army? Give me a break! I was busy doin it to it. I had a career Jack. If I was walkin around, hippying down, getting loaded & pickin my *** like your common curs, Id say Hey yeah, go in the army. Beats the **** out of scuffin around in the gutters. But I wasnt a gutter dog. I was a hard workin, ************ rock-n-roll musician!

I got my physical notice 30 days prior. Well, on that day I ceased cleansing my body. No more brushing teeth, no more washing hair, no baths, no soap, no water. 30 days of debris build. I stopped shavin & I was 18, had a little scraggly beard, really looked like a hippie. I had long hair, & it started gettin kinky, matted up. Then 2 weeks before, I stopped eating food with nutritional value. I just had chips, Pepsi, beer-stuff, buttered ****, little jars of Polish sausages, & Id drink syrup. I was this side of death. Then a week before, I stopped going to the bathroom. I did it in my pants. ****, piss the whole shot. My pants got crusted up.

See, I approached the whole thing like, Ted Nugent, cool hard-workin dude, is gonna wreak havoc on these imbeciles in the armed forces. Im gonna play their own game, & Im gonna destroy em. Now my whole body is crusted in **** & piss. I was ill. And 3 or 4 days before, I started stayin awake. I was close to death, but I was in control. I was extremely anti drug as Ive always been, but I snorted some crystal methedrine. Talk about a wounded ************. A guy put up four lines, and it was for all four of us, but I didnt know and Im vacuuming that **** right up. I was a walking, talking hunk of human ****. I was six-foot-three of sin. So the guys took me down to the physical, & my nerves, my emotions were distraught. I was not a good person. I was wounded. But as painful & nauseous as it was cause I was really into bein clean and on the ball I made gutter swine hippies look like football payers. I was deviano.

So I went in. Those guys in uniform couldnt believe the smell. They were ridiculin me, pushin me around. I was cryin, but all the time I was laughin. When they stuck the needle in my arm for the blood test, I passed out.When I came to they were kicking me into the wall. They made everybody take off their pants so I did, & this sergeant says, Oh my God, put those back on! You ****** swine! Then they had a urine test & I couldnt piss, but my **** was just like ooze, man, so I **** in the cup & put it on the counter. I had **** on my hand & my arm. The guy almost puked. I was so proud. I knew I had these chumps beat. Last thing I remember was wakin up in the ear test booth. They were sweepin up, so I went home & cleaned up.

They took a putty knife to me & got the street rats out of my hair, ate some steaks, beans, potatoes, cottage cheese, milk. A couple days & I was ready to kick ***, and in the mail I got this big juicy 4F. Theyd call dead people before theyd call my ***. But you know the funny thing about it? Id make an incredible army man. Id be a colonel before you knew what hit you, & Id have the baddest bunch of ************ killers youd ever seen in my platoon. But I just wasnt into it. I was too busy doin my own thing, you know?

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[blindfire]

I couldn't even get through it. He's a scumbag opportunist...I hold Ted Nugent in about the same regard as Nancy Pelosi...

Amen. Its easy for a man who makes millions to sit high up on a throne and critique. Just because he's a celebrity, he thinks it gives him the right to spout off. Does he realize that a lot of those Justices were nominated and / or approved under Republican presidents / congress?

I guess the main thing I find annoying with the letter is his sanctimonious attitude. You disagree with me...therefore...you are wrong. I lean pretty left on most things but I've changed my opinions on guns recently. That being said, I see the other sides arguments. I disagree with them, but I don't belittle them either.

FAIL

 

[drgrant]

When a group of 2000 or so out of 180,000,000 gun owners nationwide show up to an event....people are still sitting in their chairs with their heads packed squarely up their asses.

And that has what to do with the price of tea in china? I showed up. A bunch of other people on NES showed up, and countless more here donated. An anonymous NES benefactor even paid for the balance of the seats on the bus! Did you go? If not, then you have very little right to complain about the lack of attendance, since you were effectively part of the problem. It's not much different than the people who gripe about the outcome of the election but they didn't cast a vote in it.

The bottom line is Ted promised to show and he didn't. What part of that do you ted-petters have difficulty understanding? That was a huge part of the reason only 2000 people showed up- everyone thought the event was dead/dying and the inertia was basically sucked out of it after he backed out of it. If they had known up front that he was going to effectively crap out, things probably would have been planned a lot differently.

-Mike

 

[Finalygotabeltfed]

Ted Nugent?

You mean Mr Gung-Ho, kick-ass, love it or leave it, Team America Ted Nugent?...



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Ya, Ted Nugent, along with a shitload of other very wealthy, well connected, corrupt and politically powerful people, including many current and past senators, congressmen, judges, governors, and more than a few presidents in history, including the current commie chicago thug in the White House and most of his cabinet and Czars. Also, one of the greatest boxers in history and many contrarian, commie hollywood actors......who are now support those who trying to enslave the same public THEY refused to fight for or serve in the military with when it was their time, through confiscatory taxation schemes, complete oppression of property rights and denial of their God given rights.

You think he was the only person to do the things listed in your post? I know a couple personally who did that. Thousands of people with the same mindset fled over the border into Canada for years until amnesty was granted to them to return. Lots of them are now those who we are working against to maintain this country under some semblance of liberty which they live under the veil of but would gladly see yours removed. At least Ted has stated his views and is his own man when it comes to his rights and his determination to defend them.

 

[tele_mark]

This is like an I-Phone thread.

 

[Skald]

What Nugent did to the march, and then this little 'letter' doesn't shock me. The guy has only cared about 1 thing in his life and one thing only, himself. From the way it was talked about, it sounded like the march was his brain child. Then to ask for an appearance fee for a 'cause' he supposedly is so gung ho about? Guess he is only gung ho and for the cause when it puts some cash in his wallet.

 

[Finalygotabeltfed]

And that has what to do with the price of tea in china? I showed up. A bunch of other people on NES showed up, and countless more here donated. An anonymous NES benefactor even paid for the balance of the seats on the bus! Did you go? If not, then you have very little right to complain about the lack of attendance, since you were effectively part of the problem. It's not much different than the people who gripe about the outcome of the election but they didn't cast a vote in it.

The bottom line is Ted promised to show and he didn't. What part of that do you ted-petters have difficulty understanding? That was a huge part of the reason only 2000 people showed up- everyone thought the event was dead/dying and the inertia was basically sucked out of it after he backed out of it. If they had known up front that he was going to effectively crap out, things probably would have been planned a lot differently.

-Mike

No, I didn't go and I'm glad you asked. I had plans to go to the other event across the river...the one where people were actually carrying guns, but due to a temporary physical condition and given prior intelligence, I didn't figure it was the time or place to walk into a potential trap and end up in a gun battle with federal agents and cops who already had plenty of time to secure their own positions on their own turf. Usually, large groups of well armed, peaceable citizens doesn't sit well with government hired guns and usually doesn't end well for either side so discretion won the day. Thankfully it was uneventful for those who attended on both sides, but it could have turned on a dime, most likely spurred by the actions of a government provocateur.

You have my word that I'll take better care of my health prior to the next one and will be attending....armed.....I'll even hold a sign with a smilie face that say's HI NES!

As for Ted, his message is far more important than his presence.....and most people still don't get his message.

 

[BigMike]

"I was extremely anti drug as Ive always been, but I snorted some crystal methedrine."

You have got to be kidding me....

 

[Skald]

As for Ted, his message is far more important than his presence.....and most people still don't get his message.

Hard to really believe in his message when he demands a fee to tell it, and if not paid wont show up. As I stated above, when he first started to talk about the whole DC thing, it sounded like it was all his idea. And if he believed that his message was so vital, he would have waived the appearance fee. The fact he didn't lays credence that he is more in it for the possible money and air time in the media than the message.

 

[Finalygotabeltfed]

Hard to really believe in his message when he demands a fee to tell it, and if not paid wont show up. As I stated above, when he first started to talk about the whole DC thing, it sounded like it was all his idea. And if he believed that his message was so vital, he would have waived the appearance fee. The fact he didn't lays credence that he is more in it for the possible money and air time in the media than the message.

Rubbish. It doesn't matter if he believes his message is important, he knows it is to him, its whether the millions of other citizens grasp it and have some inkling of what its about.

 

[Skald]

Rubbish. It doesn't matter if he believes his message is important, he knows it is to him, its whether the millions of other citizens grasp it and have some inkling of what its about.

If it meant so much to him, why did he ditch the rally?

 

[Auspicious Aspect]

Nugent has never balked at playing anti-gun venues, such as Meadowbrook Farm. His attitude is "Hey, man, its just a gig."

I am surprised that no one ever cares that he when he was 30, he became legal guardian to an underage girl to have sex with her.

 

[ArmedMainer]

And, as I understand it, frequently returns the fee to the Tea Party.

Lots of people get paid appearance fees.

As individuals they need to decide when to take the fee and when the cause justifies appearing for free. Similarly, lawyers get paid for their time but have a goal for a certain amount of pro-bono work.

For the 'godfather' of the 2A movement to whiff on the most important 2A event in many years because they CAN'T AFFORD his fee, was inexcusable!

The 'NUGE' knew full well that this was a grass roots operation of people coming together for an event solely funded by donations. He knew there were no deep pockets here.

He also helped INITIATE the whole idea of the event and caused it to fall way short of its objectives by failing to properly support and promote the event. Who would have predicted that his interest was based on a potential money making opportunity, and not solely based on the priniciple of protecting our rights?

He could have made all the difference in the world, and DECIDED NOT TO!


For me, he's now no different than anyone else who picks a theme to build a profitable career around. Good luck to him, but he has no special significance to my life. There are many more gun owners who believe more that EVERYONE needs to 'grab an oar and help row the boat' because of the importance of the principles involved.

Great Post.

Comparatively, This board promoted the event for months in advance and with 11,000+ members, coudn't fill a bus.....even giving the seats away.


EDIT: Bueller? Bueller? Bueller?

If you remember correctly alot of us were unemployed and having a hard time paying our regular bills when this trip occurred . Personally when this trip took place I couldn't even have afforded a brown bag lunch if someone had giving me a free seat on the bus. Had the economy been different I'm sure NES members would have shown up in much larger numbers.

I think that the criticism of Nugent is unfounded.

He is not and should not be considered a leader or champion of gun rights. He is simply the equivalent but opposite of a Jane Fonda, Barbara Streisand or Alec Baldwin.

He is a musician-entertainer-TV personality that is outspoken about supporting gun rights.

So he did not go to the march. So what? He is NOT our leader.

There have always been many entertainers that were outspoken about liberal/socialist and anti gun positions. So very few entertainers speak out in favor of gun rights, we should be grateful when some do.

He's just an entertainer. That's all.

He was much more than an entertainer in regards to this march......he was instrumental in getting it off the ground.

And that has what to do with the price of tea in china? I showed up. A bunch of other people on NES showed up, and countless more here donated. An anonymous NES benefactor even paid for the balance of the seats on the bus! Did you go? If not, then you have very little right to complain about the lack of attendance, since you were effectively part of the problem. It's not much different than the people who gripe about the outcome of the election but they didn't cast a vote in it.

The bottom line is Ted promised to show and he didn't. What part of that do you ted-petters have difficulty understanding? That was a huge part of the reason only 2000 people showed up- everyone thought the event was dead/dying and the inertia was basically sucked out of it after he backed out of it. If they had known up front that he was going to effectively crap out, things probably would have been planned a lot differently.

-Mike

BINGO !!!

What Nugent did to the march, and then this little 'letter' doesn't shock me. The guy has only cared about 1 thing in his life and one thing only, himself. From the way it was talked about, it sounded like the march was his brain child. Then to ask for an appearance fee for a 'cause' he supposedly is so gung ho about? Guess he is only gung ho and for the cause when it puts some cash in his wallet.

The reason so many gun owners are mad with "Draft Dodger Teddy" is because his whole involvement with this march was ONLY done to line his pockets. Him backing out clearly showed everybody what his true colors were.

 

[BigMike]

Rubbish. It doesn't matter if he believes his message is important, he knows it is to him, its whether the millions of other citizens grasp it and have some inkling of what its about.

I have trouble reconciling how it can be important to him personally but not important publically.

Bottom-line is that the reason he didn't show was because of money. He could of said, "Ok you can't pay me X, how about 3/4 of X?" Some money is better than no money in my book.

But apparently it was all or nothing for Teddy. He just showed what was more important to him, and for that we should cast him aside.

 

[Cato]

He was much more than an entertainer in regards to this march......he was instrumental in getting it off the ground.

AM, this is where I disagree. He is nothing more than an entertainer. If people want to trust a wacky entertainer to organize an event then they better be ready to take responsibility when things go wrong. Choosing the right people to do any job is extremely important.

You might or might not agree that most modern entertainers are on the wacky side. There were some entertainers form the old days that I respected, like James Stewart or Jerry Horwitz. But today's singers, musicians and actors are nuts. I would venture to guess that Nugent has been a no-show at many of his shows over the years. He used to pull his pants down and moon the crowd at his concerts. If you want someone like that to organize your event go right ahead but don't complain when something goes wrong.

I am glad to have him speak out in favor of gun rights. It makes gun ownership more mainstream when people from all walks of life enjoy firearms. The left has had people like Barbara Streisand advocate their crazy ideas for many years. She is a nut that can reach a large audience. Nugent is kind of a nut and brings a pro gun message to a large audience. He's a nut, but he's our nut.

 

[Lamina]

I don't like the dude because he's a hardcore drug warrior.

You're either for liberty, or not for liberty. If you think it's hunky dory to lock people up for possessing a plant, it's tough to say you're "pro liberty".