Lifting Restrictions?

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Hello!

I've had my LTC-A w/ target & hunting restrictions in Brookline for a year now. I'd like to try to get my restrictions lifted.

I know Brookline is "red", so any replies pointing out I should pound sound aren't helpful, but if anyone has any advice on how to go about it or whether they've done it, I'd love the help.

Thanks!
 
The non-helpful part -

Brookline is probably the single worst town to try to get an LTC-A unrestricted. Unless you are a person of privilege, power and influence it is not going to happen. While most towns use the LTC licensing process to make a determination if someone poses a risks to public safety, Brookline seems to regarding the licensing process as a scavenger hunt to find a reason, any reason, to issue a denial.

I would rate Brookline black, not red.

The helpful part -

In order to stand any chance, you will probably have to prove you are subject to a high and specific risk of violence to which members of the general public are not subject. In other words, if you have to make night deposits in the tens of thousands for a business, ou have a decent reason. Any reason that consists only of an essay about the general fear of crime to which all members of the public are subject won't fly. In other words, if you have a specific reason that could not be used by other LTC holders wanting an upgrade, you could have a chance. If your reason is simply one of assertion, not so much.
 
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In order to stand any chance, you will probably have to prove you are subject to a high and specific risk of violence to which members of the general public are not subject. In other words, if you have to make night deposits in the tens of thousands for a business, you have a decent reason. Any for of reason that consists only of an essay about the general fear of crime to which all members of the public are subject won't fly. In other words, if you have a specific reason that could not be used by other LTC holders wanting an upgrade, you could have a chance. If your reason is simply one of assertion, not so much.

This in the town where I got pulled over by a bike cop for speeding by his estimation. The city with the highest number of traffic violations to support their socialist agenda. Where the citizens agreed to allow illegal immigrants vote at their town meetings. Where Barny Frank beat a decorated soldier in the State Senate election. Where 80% of the voters voted for BO in 2008. A place with a dense population of AMA members, law makers, and liberal college professors. This is not America. I'm sorry, but you will need to spend thousands to restore your Constitutional, and God given rights. Start with a lawyer.
 
I'm sorry, but you will need to spend thousands to restore your Constitutional, and God given rights. Start with a lawyer.
The lawyer will tell that your chances of prevailing are between slim and none. Remember, this is the state where the courts upheld an LTC denial for someone found NOT GUILTY of OUI since "evidence of guilt still exists".

The only hope is a federal decision that would remove the entire MA restriction process.
 
I just want to be clear, I already have an LTC-A, it's good for another 5 years as today is my birthday. I've got T&H restrictions, what process do people think I should take to try to get my restrictions lifted.
 
I just want to be clear, I already have an LTC-A, it's good for another 5 years as today is my birthday. I've got T&H restrictions, what process do people think I should take to try to get my restrictions lifted.

I'm not sure you understand... They aren't getting lifted unless you move..
 


I'm being serious, too. Brookline is probably top 5 worst IAs in the state, it's nearly impossible to game the system there. Even Boston is way less red than they are. At least in Boston you can usually do some skillful maneuvers and place yourself into the "box" they use to grant unrestricted.

-Mike
 
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The non-helpful part -

Brookline is probably the single worst town to try to get an LTC-A unrestricted. Unless you are a person of privilege, power and influence it is not going to happen. While most towns use the LTC licensing process to make a determination if someone poses a risks to public safety, Brookline seems to regarding the licensing process as a scavenger hunt to find a reason, any reason, to issue a denial.

And when their Captains and Lieutenants move on to higher ranking positions into other towns, they take Brookline's philosophies along with them, and spread the poison further.
 
I got my restrictions removed in a red town with a letter to the chief. I was able to get the original issuing authority to early expire my license and requested that the new town (also red) issue an unrestricted license. I spoke to the new licensing officer and visited the station (in a suit) no less than 8 times. I assume owning part of a business was the major reason why I was granted an unrestricted license. But a well written, well thought out letter couldn't hurt.
 
But a well written, well thought out letter couldn't hurt.

Just remember, if you do this in Brookline they will maintain a record of it and deny you for lying on you renewal application if you do not report their "denial of your request to change your license to unrestricted" as a denial on the renewal application. Like I said, scavenger hunt to look for a denial reason.

I'm not sure you understand... They aren't getting lifted unless you move..
And that is a maybe. There is a chance (probability actually) that Brookline will refuse your request to expire the license early, thus preventing the issuing authority in the town you move to from issuing a new unrestricted LTC.
 
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Just remember, if you do this in Brookline they will maintain a record of it and deny you for lying on you renewal application if you do not report their "denial of your request to change your license to unrestricted" as a denial on the renewal application. Like I said, scavenger hunt to look for a denial reason.


And that is a maybe. There is a chance (probability actually) that Brookline will refuse your request to expire the license early, thus preventing the issuing authority in the town you move to from issuing a new unrestricted LTC.

Wait, if I ask to have my restrictions lifted, and they don't do it, they can deny me a renewal because that counts the same as being denied in general for a license?
 
Wait, if I ask to have my restrictions lifted, and they don't do it, they can deny me a renewal because that counts the same as being denied in general for a license?

No they can't deny you the restricted permit (OK, technically they could if they just wanted to be DBs), but you'll then have to report it in the future as a denial because you did in fact request a license and were in fact denied it.

Rob, will they make him file the renewal twice if he takes that course? Once for the unrestricted and once again later for the permit he already has?

Seriously, you need to move.
 
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Just remember, if you do this in Brookline they will maintain a record of it and deny you for lying on you renewal application if you do not report their "denial of your request to change your license to unrestricted" as a denial on the renewal application. Like I said, scavenger hunt to look for a denial reason.

wow what a chickenshit thing to do
 
If you can figure out how to move the Brookline policy, you will have accomplished a feat like paying off the national debt. Some towns are hard, and some are hopeless. Brookline is about as bad as you can get.
 
I'm not a business owner, But I thought to take this approach with mine. I wrote a letter to my Chief of Police here in Reading, am currently awaiting a response. I'll let you know how it works out.
 
I called the police department today about getting my restrictions lifted. The new sergeant running the desk is a lot nicer than the old lieutenant. I spoke with him for a couple of minutes and he said, ultimately the decision rests with the chief, but it's not a definite "no" the way the Lt explained it to me last time.

I also brought up the concern that a "no" would count as a denial on my future renewals and he said that's ridiculous and it's an internal document, the state never sees it, unless it's a "yes", and I'm not applying for a new license, so there's no downside.

He seemed fairly honest and actively involved in the "gun control" debates and was part of a panel with a harvard professor recently discussing firearm safety. He told me to write the new letter to the chief, sign and scan, then email him and he'll make sure the chief sees it.

I'll keep you guys posted.
 
No they can't deny you the restricted permit (OK, technically they could if they just wanted to be DBs),
You gave an incorrect answer and then corrected yourself in the same sentence - a most impressive inlguistinc feat. Rep inbound.
 
I called the police department today about getting my restrictions lifted. The new sergeant running the desk is a lot nicer than the old lieutenant. I spoke with him for a couple of minutes and he said, ultimately the decision rests with the chief, but it's not a definite "no" the way the Lt explained it to me last time.

I also brought up the concern that a "no" would count as a denial on my future renewals and he said that's ridiculous and it's an internal document, the state never sees it, unless it's a "yes", and I'm not applying for a new license, so there's no downside.

He seemed fairly honest and actively involved in the "gun control" debates and was part of a panel with a harvard professor recently discussing firearm safety. He told me to write the new letter to the chief, sign and scan, then email him and he'll make sure the chief sees it.

I'll keep you guys posted.

I am sorry to share my conviction that you are merely being glad handed - they make empty, but nice sounding statements to make you feel better about walking out of the station 'cause you achieved something.

Please note that he basically said nothing useful - you are not a guaranteed denial, yipee.

Post again when you get your answer... but we all know what it will be - a big fat no.

I wish you the best of luck in getting Brookline to grant you the privilege of carrying concealed - I just don't think that any amount of politeness will work, nor will suing... nor will moving, either. Brookline owns you until the current license expires. Serve your 6 year sentence like a man and try not to be a resident of Brookline when renewal time comes around.
 
Seriously, is moving a possibility?

Moving isn't a possibility and I also wouldn't move just to get a different license.... I love where I live and my LTC is only a small part of my life.

Serve your 6 year sentence like a man and try not to be a resident of Brookline when renewal time comes around.

I don't really intend on moving for this and you're kind of being a jerk about this whole thing. I was just updating my thread with some new information. The new LO is at the very least nicer than the old one, who wouldn't even answer my calls during normal business hours.
 
Moving isn't a possibility and I also wouldn't move just to get a different license.... I love where I live and my LTC is only a small part of my life.

I don't really intend on moving for this and you're kind of being a jerk about this whole thing. I was just updating my thread with some new information. The new LO is at the very least nicer than the old one, who wouldn't even answer my calls during normal business hours.

I am sorry that you find my factual post offending. But if being able to defend your life is "only a small part of your life", you'll be happy in Brookline - it's a great town if you can afford both the financial price and the loss of your freedom.

Looking forward to hearing from you after the new, nice, communicative and highly improved officer hands you the letter denying you the restriction removal. Care to take a bet on the outcome? I'll give you 10 to 1 odds you do not get your restrictions removed... and at those odds I'm robbing you blind.
 
Are there actual unicorns in Brookline? Even then I'm not sure it would be worth it to live there.

The nicely worded rejection letter it coming. But that's better than him just being rude about it right? I mean the Nazi's who said "Please walk into this prison camp" were actually decent guys.

I mean when you think about it, prison camp isn't that bad. Food, jobs and roof over your head. What else could you want?
 
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Are there actual unicorns in Brookline? Even then I'm not sure it would be worth it to live there.

The nicely worded rejection letter it coming. But that's better than him just being rude about it right? I mean the Nazi's who said "Please walk into this prison camp" were actually decent guys.

I mean when you think about it, prison camp isn't that bad. Food, jobs and roof over your head. What else could you want?

While I understand what you're saying, that's not quite a valid comparison... Who knows, maybe I'll get the "yes". It's not likely, but the vitriol and hostility in this thread is unexpected.
 
While I understand what you're saying, that's not quite a valid comparison... Who knows, maybe I'll get the "yes". It's not likely, but the vitriol and hostility in this thread is unexpected.

Nobody is trying to hurt your feelings here, as opposed to the nice Brookline officer who will do that later. You choose to be in denial about how Brookline works for gun owners - you'll wake up at some point in the future.

In the meantime... vitriol and hostility? People are telling you how things are and you somehow perceive that as vitriol and hostility. Nobody wished you harm - if anything, people advised about the only way to get an unrestricted LTC (moving), and you stated you'd rather not move out of Brookline, which is entirely your prerogative, so there is not much point in continuing this thread, especially since my posts seem to stress you out and I cannot seem to find a way to avoid that

Thus, I'll bow out of this thread. Good luck in your quixotic quest of getting an unrestricted LTC in Brookline.
 
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