Looking for a new Cary gun

[Buck F]

Get the 938. If you already like the 238, there's no downside. It's not even that much flippier.

Do they still make the 938?

Try the 365 first

 

[Broc]

Just remember that you want to take perp in one shot.
Do not discount revolver. Small 357 .

I posted a video a while back going over some studies.

Summary: there is very little difference between 9mm, 357 and 45. Statistically it is not very significant and in most situations the person doesnt go down with one shot.

 

[Slant6]

I posted a video a while back going over some studies.

Summary: there is very little difference between 9mm, 357 and 45. Statistically it is not very significant and in most situations the person doesnt go down with one shot.

That is hard to believe!
And I don’t.

 

[Sterg]

Do they still make the 938?

Try the 365 first

I saw a 938 at Cabelas for $699. Usually they are over $700. I pride $510.00 for mine new. I consider myself fortunate.

 

[Jbarila]

Get the 938. If you already like the 238, there's no downside. It's not even that much flippier.

Read the previous posts. 938 didn’t work for me

 

[Picton]

Ahh, right. The torqued mag.

 

[AHM]

Read the previous posts. 938 didn’t work for me

Ahh, right. The torqued mag.

I may have a bargain for you.

Over on RugerForum.net, some El Exigente has taken apart his $700 Mk IV .22LR
and is dissatisfied with, among other things, how hard it is to put back together.

Offer him $350 to take it off of his hands...

 

[fencer]

I posted a video a while back going over some studies.

Summary: there is very little difference between 9mm, 357 and 45. Statistically it is not very significant and in most situations the person doesnt go down with one shot.

That is hard to believe!
And I don’t.

Well it's true. Something like 70% of all shootings with a handgun are not fatal, and surprisingly even head shots are survived more often than not. Lots of people have taken multiple handgun rounds but kept fighting long enough to maim or kill, which is why you train to fire until the threat is stopped. Unless you are Mel Gibson. Then every shot is fatal from a 9mm.
357 magnum is essentially a 9mm round with more powder behind it. And when it comes to handgun rounds, there are no reliable studies to show proof of a "one shot stop" caliber.
Where 357 and 40 really excel is barrier penetration, like a windshield or car door. And while I don't think shooting blocks of ballistic gel tell the whole story, it does provide data for comparison.
And barrel length comes into play as well. Snubbies in 357 not only suck to shoot, they suffer from low capacity, decreased accuracy and reduced effectiveness. 357 with a barrel length of 4" or longer performs much better.
I carry 9mm a lot but 45acp or 40 is what I carry when I can.

 

[Slant6]

Well it's true. Something like 70% of all shootings with a handgun are not fatal, and surprisingly even head shots are survived more often than not. Lots of people have taken multiple handgun rounds but kept fighting long enough to maim or kill, which is why you train to fire until the threat is stopped. Unless you are Mel Gibson. Then every shot is fatal from a 9mm.
357 magnum is essentially a 9mm round with more powder behind it. And when it comes to handgun rounds, there are no reliable studies to show proof of a "one shot stop" caliber.
Where 357 and 40 really excel is barrier penetration, like a windshield or car door. And while I don't think shooting blocks of ballistic gel tell the whole story, it does provide data for comparison.
And barrel length comes into play as well. Snubbies in 357 not only suck to shoot, they suffer from low capacity, decreased accuracy and reduced effectiveness. 357 with a barrel length of 4" or longer performs much better.
I carry 9mm a lot but 45acp or 40 is what I carry when I can.

357 even from a two inch pipe will still deliver more energy than 9 or 45, according to the interwebs lol.
I think most shooting situations are less than 20ft. Any farther and you should be beeting feet.
I am more likely wrong according to some.

I am here to learn.

 

[Broc]

357 even from a two inch pipe will still deliver more energy than 9 or 45, according to the interwebs lol.
I think most shooting situations are less than 20ft. Any farther and you should be beeting feet.
I am more likely wrong according to some.

I am here to learn.

Yes, it will deliver more energy, shoot someone in the gut and you won't kill them.

There are plenty of videos of cops shooting someone 6 or 7 times and the person still running at the cop.

I found the video:


View: https://youtu.be/nycYxb-zNwc


It is a starting point, you should still research it. But the video is a nice summary.

 

[fencer]

Yes, it will deliver more energy, shoot someone in the gut and you won't kill them.

There are plenty of videos of cops shooting someone 6 or 7 times and the person still running at the cop.

I found the video:


View: https://youtu.be/nycYxb-zNwc


It is a starting point, you should still research it. But the video is a nice summary.

Can't we all just agree that 45acp is the best.... because I said so?

 

[Slant6]

My 1911 is my favorite at shooting steel.

 

[Sterg]

I’ve posted this video a few times in different threads, maybe this one also with Larry Seecamp talking about stopping power and “stretch cavity”. Interesting to say the least. You can lethally shoot someone but not stop them. If Mike Tyson hit you in the stomach, he wouldn’t kill you but he would stop you.

View: https://youtu.be/rbG7mQ7QMSY

 

[Buck F]

357 even from a two inch pipe will still deliver more energy than 9 or 45, according to the interwebs lol.
I think most shooting situations are less than 20ft. Any farther and you should be beeting feet.
I am more likely wrong according to some.

I am here to learn.

If you use the Google machine there are plenty of articles, videos and references to what @Broccoli Iglesias & others have said about there being little difference in documented shooting results between 9mm, .45 & .357. There was even a table the FBI [i believe] put out re the number of shots needed to incapacitate w different calibers and there was no noticeable difference even when they included .380. There wasn’t a single handgun caliber that didn’t take multiple shots to incapacitate. Fatalities require something like 3.something shots on average.

@fencer was spot on about snub .357s. A .357 out of a typical snub carry gun sucks to shoot so people won’t train w it like they will w a 9mm. You lose a lot of energy out of a 2” or even smaller Barrel, 6” is optimum, 4” is good for .357. Typical snub carry type .357s have 5 round capacity. Many are also double action only, the rest are usually single/double action which means either a long trigger pull or manually cocking the hammer, both of which take time & practice. Now do it effectively after the first shot just reverberated through your entire upper body. You can get more shots off accurately & quickly w a micro 9 than a snub .357

There are a lot of reasons to carry snub revolvers. Moar stawping power isn’t one of them.

Welcome to NES, great place to learn. I learned many a lesson from making sweeping and often incorrect generalizations early on, mostly stuff I was told by LGS/range folks or reading one too many articles (opinions) on the interwebs. You’re talking to someone who bought a .40 as my first handgun because I bought into the stopping power hype. I don’t regret it, but if I was doing it again, everything I have in .40 would be in 9 or .45.

 

[Slant6]

If you use the Google machine there are plenty of articles, videos and references to what @Broccoli Iglesias & others have said about there being little difference in documented shooting results between 9mm, .45 & .357. There was even a table the FBI [i believe] put out re the number of shots needed to incapacitate w different calibers and there was no noticeable difference even when they included .380. There wasn’t a single handgun caliber that didn’t take multiple shots to incapacitate. Fatalities require something like 3.something shots on average.

@fencer was spot on about snub .357s. A .357 out of a typical snub carry gun sucks to shoot so people won’t train w it like they will w a 9mm. You lose a lot of energy out of a 2” or even smaller Barrel, 6” is optimum, 4” is good for .357. Typical snub carry type .357s have 5 round capacity. Many are also double action only, the rest are usually single/double action which means either a long trigger pull or manually cocking the hammer, both of which take time & practice. Now do it effectively after the first shot just reverberated through your entire upper body. You can get more shots off accurately & quickly w a micro 9 than a snub .357

There are a lot of reasons to carry snub revolvers. Moar stawping power isn’t one of them.

Welcome to NES, great place to learn. I learned many a lesson from making sweeping and often incorrect generalizations early on, mostly stuff I was told by LGS/range folks or reading one too many articles (opinions) on the interwebs. You’re talking to someone who bought a .40 as my first handgun because I bought into the stopping power hype. I don’t regret it, but if I was doing it again, everything I have in .40 would be in 9 or .45.

 

[Buck F]

So pretty but that’s gotta sting like a mofo... including on the wallet. What is that barrel, an inch?

 

[Slant6]

Every tool has its purpose and time and place.

 

[meh]

So pretty but that’s gotta sting like a mofo... including on the wallet. What is that barrel, an inch?

It's actually 2", but it looks like less because the gun is so big and a lot of it is inside the frame rather than inside the titanium sleeve. I always wondered why they didn't just make it a 2.5" so that it wouldn't look quite so weird.

 

[Slant6]

So pretty but that’s gotta sting like a mofo... including on the wallet. What is that barrel, an inch?

You have not made your self aware.
It is good to learn and keep an open mind.

 

[Buck F]

It's actually 2", but it looks like less because the gun is so big. I always wondered why they didn't just make it a 2.5" so that it wouldn't look quite so weird.

Looks like it got shrinkage from the cold water. And scandium frame... I fell in love w the 329PD (.44mag) the first time I held it but could tell it was too light to comfortably shoot that caliber. Have seen many posts/reviews that attest to how crappy it is to shoot. Damn beautiful to look at & hold tho.

 

[Picton]

You have not made your self aware.
It is good to learn and keep an open mind.

Maybe that's why he's asking...

And pointing out an exorbitant price is not a bad thing. That's collectors' item pricing. I can think of other "tools" that do just as good a job just as well at half the price or less, but to each his own.

 

[Buck F]

You have not made your self aware.
It is good to learn and keep an open mind.

Yes, you certainly seem like one of the open minded folks w your sweeping and often incorrect generalizations.

 

[Slant6]

So pretty but that’s gotta sting like a mofo... including on the wallet. What is that barrel, an inch?

Do some research.
2” pipe and still around 1200fps.
Federal hst and you will stop and think about what you thought you were doing.

 

[Slant6]

It’s a tool. I have many for different reasons.

 

[Buck F]

Do some research.
2” pipe and still around 1200fps.
Federal hst and you will stop and think about what you thought you were doing.

Do research says the guy who still doesn’t understand that [multiple] shot placement is more important than muzzle velocity.

 

[Slant6]

Do research says the guy who still doesn’t understand that [multiple] shot placement is more important than muzzle velocity.

I have been in a firefight. Everyone somehow keeps missing lucky in my situation.

retail robbery

 

[Buck F]

I have been in a firefight. Everyone somehow keeps missing lucky in my situation.

retail robbery

Better to have luck than brains... good that you survived it.

 

[Slant6]

Many services people have great intelligence and training. You do a disservice to them by your statement

 

[Buck F]

Many services people have great intelligence and training. You do a disservice to them by your statement

Nah, I was talking to you

You can have the last word. Peace out.

 

[Slant6]

I only look to learn from others.
Peace to you and yours.