Lowell Leo not being charged

[Palladin]

for having firearm stolen from his vehicle

Retired Lowell police officer cleared of mishandling firearm

Because the motor vehicle was locked and the firearm's locking mechanism was engaged, Webb said police detectives did not find Miles in violation of state law.

 

[babygorilla]

Some animals are better than others.......

 

[Chevy 2 65]

Maybe this can be used to help the unwashed masses? I don't know?

 

[Horrible]

"small caliber" firearm. Interesting how it would have been an "assault revolver" if the victim was an avg citizen and not a former LEO.

Still, it sounds like they made the right call not charging him. I hope that us regular schmos will be as lucky when we are in compliance with the lawr.

Trigger lock?

Interim Lowell Police Superintendent Jonathan Webb told The Sun the firearm was in a knapsack-like carrying bag. It was properly secured with a locking mechanism, Webb said.

 

[BigTimber]

Good

 

[Compooky]

Trigger lock and car must have been made of adamantium to be considered “secured” in Massachusetts.

 

[BarnB]

Unobtanium

 

[FrugalFannie]

Trigger lock and car must have been made of adamantium to be considered “secured” in Massachusetts.

Trigger locks satisfy the state law of "securing" a firearm. You can keep your guns in your house without a safe or car so long as they have trigger locks.

 

[BTSDOG]

anybody care to be a test subject, Im out......

 

[glide]

How do we know it was locked in accordance with MGL’s if it was stolen?

It’s nice that they are taking people’s word now. Hopefully they apply that across the board.

 

[Junior314]

How do we know it was locked in accordance with MGL’s if it was stolen?

It’s nice that they are taking people’s word now. Hopefully they apply that across the board.

I wouldn’t count on it.

 

[DPR]

"small caliber" firearm. Interesting how it would have been an "assault revolver" if the victim was an avg citizen and not a former LEO.

Still, it sounds like they made the right call not charging him. I hope that us regular schmos will be as lucky when we are in compliance with the lawr.

Trigger lock?

this and other articles state “internal locking mechanism”. Doubt it was a trigger lock

 

[mibro]

this and other articles state “internal locking mechanism”. Doubt it was a trigger lock

Struck me the same way. They're finessing the truth which is the pistol was in a zippered bag and the pistol's safety was on......."and the firearm's locking mechanism was engaged"

 

[Lip]

Some animals are better than others.......

fify
Some pigs are more equal than others.

 

[Zappa]

A couple of guns stolen from a parked car isn't so bad compared to this:

Plutonium went missing in San Antonio, but the government says nothing

Two security experts from the Department of Energy's Idaho National Laboratory drove to San Antonio, Texas, in March 2017 with a sensitive mission: to retrieve dangerous nuclear materials from a nonprofit research lab there.

Their task, according to documents and interviews, was to ensure that the radioactive materials did not fall into the wrong hands on the way back to Idaho, where the government maintains a stockpile of nuclear explosive materials for the military and others.

To ensure they got the right items, the specialists from Idaho brought radiation detectors and small samples of dangerous materials to calibrate them: specifically, a plastic-covered disk of plutonium, a material that can be used to fuel nuclear weapons, and another of cesium, a highly radioactive isotope that could potentially be used in a so-called "dirty" radioactive bomb.

But when they stopped at a Marriott hotel just off Highway 410, in a high-crime neighborhood filled with temp agencies and ranch homes, they left those sensors on the back seat of their rented Ford Expedition. When they awoke the next morning, the window had been smashed and the special valises holding these sensors and nuclear materials had vanished.

This was over a year ago and the missing nuclear materials have still not been recovered.

 

[clampett]

Trigger locks satisfy the state law of "securing" a firearm. You can keep your guns in your house without a safe or car so long as they have trigger locks.

What about the ammunition? Mass law also requires that to be locked up also. A trigger lock will still leave the ammo in the magazine unsecured.

 

[atmay]

A couple of guns stolen from a parked car isn't so bad compared to this:

Plutonium went missing in San Antonio, but the government says nothing



This was over a year ago and the missing nuclear materials have still not been recovered.

Sealed-disk check sources have such a low level of radioactivity that one can literally toss them in the trash can if/when you no longer need it.

In this case, they’re not making a big deal out of it, because it quite simply is not a big deal.

 

[Toast]

A couple of guns stolen from a parked car isn't so bad compared to this:

Plutonium went missing in San Antonio, but the government says nothing

This was over a year ago and the missing nuclear materials have still not been recovered.

You left out that at least one of the people who lost the material was given a bonus and re-upped a year later when her contract wound down.

"Monday’s report said that one of the specialist workers assigned to safeguard the equipment in San Antonio received a “Vision Award” by her colleagues one month after the theft. A few months later, the Energy Department gave an “A” grade and overall performance assessment of “excellent” to Battelle Energy Alliance, the contractor that employed the guards assigned to pick up the nuclear material."​

 

[Toast]

Sealed-disk check sources have such a low level of radioactivity that one can literally toss them in the trash can if/when you no longer need it.

In this case, they’re not making a big deal out of it, because it quite simply is not a big deal.

They lost the test equipment as well. Can't speak for every one, but losing $$,$$$ worth of test equipment because I was too lazy to carry it into the hotel room from the car would have been a big deal at just about every place I ever worked.

 

[amm5061]

What about the ammunition? Mass law also requires that to be locked up also. A trigger lock will still leave the ammo in the magazine unsecured.

Ammo storage is a fire code thing. Not a criminal charge.

 

[atmay]

They lost the test equipment as well. Can't speak for every one, but losing $$,$$$ worth of test equipment because I was too lazy to carry it into the hotel room from the car would have been a big deal at just about every place I ever worked.

In the private sector, maybe.


Additionally, it should be noted that the bulk of the outrage in the quoted article, and the post I replied to, was at the missing “nuclear material”.

ETA: the Ludlum Measurements model 9-3, which is the basic survey meter we use at my work for beta-gamma detection, goes for about $900/ea. The loss of two of them, and two disk-type check sources, would be a loss of ~$2500.

 

[johnN]

What about the ammunition? Mass law also requires that to be locked up also. A trigger lock will still leave the ammo in the magazine unsecured.

there is no mass law for ammo to be locked, stored separately or not in a gun (excluding transportation). there is a fire code on storage of ammo and components.

 

[clampett]

Ammo storage is a fire code thing. Not a criminal charge.

there is no mass law for ammo to be locked, stored separately or not in a gun (excluding transportation). there is a fire code on storage of ammo and components.

Thanks for setting me straight.

 

[rocket500]

If the guy wasn’t charged it won’t help you avoid getting jammed up for the same thing as it’s not a legal precedent. He’d have to be charged and acquitted of the charge on those grounds to create that (I’m not a lawyer but I am pretty sure this is how it works).

 

[Al458]

If the guy wasn’t charged it won’t help you avoid getting jammed up for the same thing as it’s not a legal precedent. He’d have to be charged and acquitted of the charge on those grounds to create that (I’m not a lawyer but I am pretty sure this is how it works).

Like the FBI said about Hillary-"To be clear, this is not to suggest that in similar circumstances, a person who engaged in this activity would face no consequences." Us peasants have to follow a different set of laws than the special people.

 

[free]

(I’m not a lawyer but I am pretty sure this is how it works).

I love these: I am not a lawyer BUT! I will still pretend, talk like, and pontificate on the chat room, like I am.

 

[Bonesinium]

I love these: I am not a lawyer BUT! I will still pretend, talk like, and pontificate on the chat room, like I am.

You don't have to be a lawyer to understand how legal precedent works (not that he does). A person acquitted of a crime at trial isn't legal precedent.

 

[tuna]

I'm not seeing this as "some animals are more equal" at all. His car was locked, the gun had a trigger lock (or equivalent), and he was robbed. I don't see the big deal. This wasn't him shooting someone during a road rage incident or drunk driving on duty.

I realize that him being a cop probably made the right call easier, but it was still the right call.

 

[Bonesinium]

I'm not seeing this as "some animals are more equal" at all. His car was locked, the gun had a trigger lock (or equivalent), and he was robbed. I don't see the big deal. This wasn't him shooting someone during a road rage incident or drunk driving on duty.

I realize that him being a cop probably made the right call easier, but it was still the right call.

It's not that it wasn't correct. It's that the correct decision was made likely along because of his political status, or more specifically, the correct call is NOT made when it comes to others who don't have the same political status. I don't think people want him to be charged. They want others in similar situations to not be as well.

 

[Admin]

Some animals are better than others.......

LOL, different set of rules. Thankfully they have "meaner" penalties if someone tries to kill them too.