MA Firearms Roster questions / Maine to MA transfer

[maverickx31996]

Hey Guys/Gals
Before anyone says anything, yes i did search for a while and came up with many right or wrong answers and found lots of helpful information however i am still confused.

Is the firearm roster ONLY for dealers selling firearms. Does the same roster apply to transfers?
Hypothetically, if i was able to purchase a FN-9C from another state (maine) via private sale, can i legally have it transferred to MA? Or no?
i saw one post about just "finding the right dealer" .. meaning I gotta know somebody.......... which i dont to be honest. My friend group is in Maine, i live in MA. None of my buddies here shoot or own.

I am so confused - and also very new to this. I am still waiting for my LTC to come in the mail. so i am very green with all of this.

 

[Shevchenko]

Listen, Maura, no one is crossing you. no one is ignoring your totally cool/legit/legal limitations on our freedoms. please don't put us in a prison camp.

 

[Shevchenko]

Hey Guys/Gals
Before anyone says anything, yes i did search for a while and came up with many right or wrong answers and found lots of helpful information however i am still confused.

Is the firearm roster ONLY for dealers selling firearms. Does the same roster apply to transfers?
Hypothetically, if i was able to purchase a FN-9C from another state (maine) via private sale, can i legally have it transferred to MA? Or no?

roster only applies to FFLs selling to customers. i'm no lawyer or ffl, but i think they CAN "frame transfer" to you off roster items and you build/fa10 them on the mass portal

 

[Night_solstice]

You are correct, the firearm roster is what dealers can sell, it doesn't limit what you can own. However, out of state transfers of handguns MUST go through a local FLL.

That said, you could not have one of your friends in Maine, or a Maine FFL sell you a FN-9C directly via a private sale, as that would have to go through a mass FFL. You could however, purchase a FN-9C via a private sale between yourself and a Mass resident who owns one, and wishes to sell it.

Private sale between yourself and Mass LTC holder = ok!
Private sale between yourself and an out of state individual = not ok, and would need to be transferred through an Mass FFL.

That said, if you're looking to meet a FFL, you can email several of them who post on the forum, or by visiting the Mill in Littleton you'd be able to drop in to speak with a large number of dealers in one visit. While most dealers will be happy to answer your questions, if you're really interested in being 'known' to a dealer, the best way to do that, is to take the time and drop in to ask in person. Also, I'm not familiar with the FN-9C, however, the FN-509C is on the mass roster so would be available from any FFL..

 

[Mesatchornug]

roster only applies to FFLs selling to customers. i'm no lawyer or ffl, but i think they CAN "frame transfer" to you off roster items and you build/fa10 them on the mass portal

frame game has narrowed since summer...

 

[maverickx31996]

thank you all. apologies, i havent checked for responses. greatly appreciate the clarification.

 

[drgrant]

frame game has narrowed since summer...

Well, since 10/23/24 if we want to be pedantic.

 

[Mesatchornug]

Well, since 10/23/24 if we want to be pedantic.

10/2, if you're going to be that way.

 

[Rob Boudrie]

Hey Guys/Gals
Before anyone says anything, yes i did search for a while and came up with many right or wrong answers and found lots of helpful information however i am still confused.

Is the firearm roster ONLY for dealers selling firearms. Does the same roster apply to transfers?
Hypothetically, if i was able to purchase a FN-9C from another state (maine) via private sale, can i legally have it transferred to MA? Or no?
i saw one post about just "finding the right dealer" .. meaning I gotta know somebody.......... which i dont to be honest. My friend group is in Maine, i live in MA. None of my buddies here shoot or own.

I am so confused - and also very new to this. I am still waiting for my LTC to come in the mail. so i am very green with all of this.

You cannot legally purchase a handgun in another state from either a dealer or as a private sale.

The only workaround besides diplomatic immunity or governmental immunity is to inherit a handgun, or frame/receiver*, in which case the transfer does not require an FFL and may occur in a state other than your residence.

As to the roster - ONLY a dealer can violate the roster. Same for the AG double secret non-list - and if you buy a gun denounced by the AG you are a VICTIM, not a perputrator, of an unfair and deceptive trade practice.

* - The BATFE changed the 4473 years ago to add "frame/receiver" as a category in order to exclude AR lowers and other receivers from the exception allowing sales of long guns legal
in the buyer's home state to residents of another state.

 

[HorizontalHunter]

Hey Guys/Gals
Before anyone says anything, yes i did search for a while and came up with many right or wrong answers and found lots of helpful information however i am still confused.

Is the firearm roster ONLY for dealers selling firearms. Does the same roster apply to transfers?
Hypothetically, if i was able to purchase a FN-9C from another state (maine) via private sale, can i legally have it transferred to MA? Or no?
i saw one post about just "finding the right dealer" .. meaning I gotta know somebody.......... which i dont to be honest. My friend group is in Maine, i live in MA. None of my buddies here shoot or own.

I am so confused - and also very new to this. I am still waiting for my LTC to come in the mail. so i am very green with all of this.

Lots of good information above.

The word transfer is vague:
Are you a Mass resident and want to bring it into the state?
Are you a Maine resident and want to sell it to another individual in Mass?
Are you a Maine resident moving to Mass?

Specific help requires specific information.

Beware of the first sentence in the above post by @Rob Boudrie as buying a handgun in a private sale in another state is a federal and possibly a state crime.

Asking the mods to delete this thread is also an option depending on the details.

Bob

 

[drgrant]

10/2, if you're going to be that way.

True dat, i forgot about the retard preamble

 

[maverickx31996]

Are you a Mass resident and want to bring it into the state?

Yes that was the question i was originally asking. Like others have said, it is not possible if the firearm is not on MA roster. Or by doing the "frame" transfer however i am not looking to do any of that.

Beware of the first sentence in the above post by @Rob Boudrie as buying a handgun in a private sale in another state is a federal and possibly a state crime.

It is possible from what i have read it needs to go through a FFA and the dealer does the transaction. At that point i dont think it is considered a "private sale" because the dealer is doing the transaction. the dealer in ME would transfer to a dealer in MA, and the dealer in MA would "sell" the firearm to me? I think? not sure of the correct term to be used.
this would only be *if* the firearm is on the roster, which in the case of the specific handgun i am talking about, i have found out is not on the roster in MA anyways, so i have not thought about pursuing this specific firearm anyway.

Correct me if i am misunderstanding

Asking the mods to delete this thread is also an option depending on the details.

and also im not trying to do anything under the radar... i dont know how these things work or how the law actually reads... so i dont know what you can and cant do which is why i had asked this for clarification. and your right i did get a lot of good information above and i did get the clarification i was looking for. i dont see a reason for a mod to delete the post as this may help someone else in the future. we dont know until we learn. im trying to do my due diligence in understanding all of this, as i said im very new to it all. so this is all a learning experience and im trying to take as much information in as i can.

i frequent NH and ME very often so i have been researching and learning the laws of 3 states and trying to make sure i have a good understanding for all of them in preparation for when i do get my LTC.

 

[Golddiggie]

True dat, i forgot about the retard preamble

It's MA, how could you forget the retardism?

 

[HorizontalHunter]

Yes that was the question i was originally asking. Like others have said, it is not possible if the firearm is not on MA roster. Or by doing the "frame" transfer however i am not looking to do any of that.



It is possible from what i have read it needs to go through a FFA and the dealer does the transaction. At that point i dont think it is considered a "private sale" because the dealer is doing the transaction. the dealer in ME would transfer to a dealer in MA, and the dealer in MA would "sell" the firearm to me? I think? not sure of the correct term to be used.
this would only be *if* the firearm is on the roster, which in the case of the specific handgun i am talking about, i have found out is not on the roster in MA anyways, so i have not thought about pursuing this specific firearm anyway.

Correct me if i am misunderstanding


and also im not trying to do anything under the radar... i dont know how these things work or how the law actually reads... so i dont know what you can and cant do which is why i had asked this for clarification. and your right i did get a lot of good information above and i did get the clarification i was looking for. i dont see a reason for a mod to delete the post as this may help someone else in the future. we dont know until we learn. im trying to do my due diligence in understanding all of this, as i said im very new to it all. so this is all a learning experience and im trying to take as much information in as i can.

i frequent NH and ME very often so i have been researching and learning the laws of 3 states and trying to make sure i have a good understanding for all of them in preparation for when i do get my LTC.

A Mass resident purchasing a handgun form a non resident must receive it from an in state FFL so the roster is in play and the FFL calls the ball on what they will transfer and who they will transfer it from.

Different FFLs make different decisions so sometimes it can pay to shop around. It most definitely pays to have a good relationship with a local FFL who knows you.

Long guns are a different matter. If you see something you like in Maine you can buy it from a Maine resident as long as the rifle is MA compliant and it is transferred by a Maine FFL or one in Mass.

It gets confusing as there are two layers of laws. Federal, and state.

These new laws are a lot to get your head around.

Bob

 

[maverickx31996]

A Mass resident purchasing a handgun form a non resident must receive it from an in state FFL so the roster is in play and the FFL calls the ball on what they will transfer and who they will transfer it from.

Different FFLs make different decisions so sometimes it can pay to shop around. It most definitely pays to have a good relationship with a local FFL who knows you.

Long guns are a different matter. If you see something you like in Maine you can buy it from a Maine resident as long as the rifle is MA compliant and it is transferred by a Maine FFL or one in Mass.

It gets confusing as there are two layers of laws. Federal, and state.

These new laws are a lot to get your head around.

Bob

yes, that is what i have learned since posting a few weeks ago. thank you again for clarifying