MA: Identifying Pre-Ban Glock Mags

Finally someone who understands the issue and manufacturing processes. Just understand that thousands of Internet Know-It-Alls will refute everything you and I state about this.
You know you are dealing with one of these twits when you ask for proof and get an answer like "I would not like to be the test case" or "Go ahead an take the risk if you like" rather than pointing to an authoritative source. Just try to explain that LTCs do not algorithmically expire when you leave the state and you will get all sorts answers like that but never "See MGL ....." read the decision in "Commonwealth v. ....". Ditto for the pre/post ban Glock mag experts.
 
There are three branches of government in this country on both the federal and state levels. 1) The legislative branch is charged with making law; 2) The judicial branch is charged with interpreting/applying all laws passed by the legislative branch , particularly with regards to the constitutionality of such laws; 3) And, the executive branch is charged with enforcing these laws. Also, a few of the tests that courts are supposed to apply to any laws passed by a duly elected legislature are: a) What was the original intent of the Founding Fathers? See Federalist No. 46 for the original intent concerning the right to keep and bear arms, b) All laws have to be written in clear plain language that the average person can understand; c) These laws need to be applied equally throughout the applicable jurisdiction, etc.

It should be very clear from the discussion in this thread that there is no clear language that the average person can understand concerning the preban v. post ban magazine issue. Furthermore, the Founding Fathers intended that all able bodied male citizens were in fact part of the militia, and should be armed with military style weapons, as note by the Supreme Court in Miller, Federalist No. 46, etc. However, even in the 1994 federal ban law, language was added to this law to the effect that when there is any doubt as to whether or not a magazine was pre or post ban that it would be presumed to be preban under the new law to avoid an unfair prosecution.

There should have been a better prepared effort to bring legal challenges to confusing and unconstitutional laws. In fact, many of these laws can be challenged just on the basis that they are unclear to the average person, and not applied equally throughout the Commonwealth, etc.

There is also the issue of the "Chilling Effect" of a constitutional right, which Judge Benitez addressed recently in California with the magazine capacity issue. In other words, allowing citizens to own and carry a single shot muzzle loading rifle unrestricted, but not allowing citizens to own and carry/use current level technology weapons that any militia would utilize is reducing this constitutional right to a privilege. This is ultimately what Judge Benitez was addressing in his recent opinion in California concerning magazine capacity laws that restrict the average citizen's 2nd Amendment rights. "Either way, Judge Benitez ruled, the law would fail. Indeed, he characterized the California law as “turning the Constitution upside down.”"

Concerning the effect of a license in or outside the state of issue, I have encountered several people over the years that have had to move to Massachusetts for employment purposes that refused to obtain even an FID card, and refused to register any of the firearms that they purchased legally in the state or states that they previously resided in. These people firmly believe that their rights travel with them, and that if they didn't have to obtain a license just to possess their legally obtain firearms prior to moving into Massachusetts, they do not have to do anything different just because they were transferred by their employer to work in Massachusetts for 3-5 years time. I have warned these people that they could encountered serious legal issues if they were otherwise found in possession of these firearms and/or high capacity magazines. Most of these people simply ignored me and didn't believe that they as law abiding citizens working in white collar jobs would ever be prosecuted for what they viewed as infractions of local regulations. Once you are outside of the southern New England and Mid-Atlantic down to DC areas of this country, most people cannot imagine the level of firearms regulations that exists in the 6-10 extreme Socialist states and jurisdictions in this country. In fact, I find that the former Confederate states practice a constitutional form of government closer to the original intent than a state like Massachusetts, where the Revolution of 1776 started when British soldiers tried to disarm Colonists that owned and carried military style weapons of that era. Yet, during the Civil War Massachusetts was supposed to be leading the effort to "Save The Republic".
 
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I did some research on Walther P99 (german made) with their hi-caps. Walther actually started shipping hi-caps to the USA before the first ban .. even before they shipped the actual guns themselves in order to beat the ban. Those crafty Germans!! lol..
 
I did some research on Walther P99 (german made) with their hi-caps. Walther actually started shipping hi-caps to the USA before the first ban .. even before they shipped the actual guns themselves in order to beat the ban. Those crafty Germans!! lol..

Yes. True. I got a P99 (and other stuff) from Earl’s repair and he was an independent importer direct from Walther.

Anyone know if he’s still around?
 
Yes. True. I got a P99 (and other stuff) from Earl’s repair and he was an independent importer direct from Walther.

Anyone know if he’s still around?
Earl was a real nice guy. True, he imported them before the ban and AFAIK his were the only genuine pre-bans that made it into the US.

I had heard that Earl went back to Germany permanently. Perhaps @JuergenG knows his whereabouts if he is indeed in Germany?
 
Earl was a real nice guy. True, he imported them before the ban and AFAIK his were the only genuine pre-bans that made it into the US.

I had heard that Earl went back to Germany permanently. Perhaps @JuergenG knows his whereabouts if he is indeed in Germany?

He took a lot of my money
Lol. Yeah. He was a great guy and had a solid in at walther. Was a Chris Craft restorer also.

I have one of the books he helped with. But I have the German version

“Walther, the German legend”

Always had some rare and unique stuff.

Wish I still had what I got from him. Just one P99 left.

I had another, the MI6 edition but stupidly sold it. The James Bond franchise was not pleased. Lol

My S/N started with 007

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Earl was a real nice guy. True, he imported them before the ban and AFAIK his were the only genuine pre-bans that made it into the US.

I had heard that Earl went back to Germany permanently. Perhaps @JuergenG knows his whereabouts if he is indeed in Germany?
I have received multiple guns from Earl in the last year. All evidence is that he is still in business.
 
Haven't talked to him in a number of years but as far as I know Earl is still in business.
He finally had enough with Commiechussets and moved operations down to Va.


Coincidentally was just thinking about giving him a call the other day while putting together a .22 ar upper using a barrel I adapted from one of his gsp rifle conversions.
I used to frequent the shop when he was still in Tewksbury, was helping out with some development work when he was designing the gsp kits and I ended up with a few prototype stocks and barrels. Finally found a good use for one of the extras...
 
I'm glad that Earl is still working in the US and also glad that he got out of MA . . . but VA isn't looking too good right now either.
 
Trying to verify if you can, I have done searches but I seem to get conflicting info, maybe old info on LTC-A and a mix of AWB and High Cap mag info. I live in a free state outside of MA but I have some pre ban mags I was going to sell to someone in MA. Do they need to have any sort of permit or license? Is it legal to send right to them? Or does it need to go to a licensed dealer? Thanks in advance for the help!
 
Trying to verify if you can, I have done searches but I seem to get conflicting info, maybe old info on LTC-A and a mix of AWB and High Cap mag info. I live in a free state outside of MA but I have some pre ban mags I was going to sell to someone in MA. Do they need to have any sort of permit or license? Is it legal to send right to them? Or does it need to go to a licensed dealer? Thanks in advance for the help!
MA would want you to get proof of their license to be able to possess those here in the kings land, but who really gives a F. a criminal could buy them from any number of places online and have them sent direct to them and wouldn't give 2 shits if they were preban or not.
I suppose to cover your ass you could ask them to show a copy of their permit to possess them but that could be faked via an editor so easy.

in all reality though who is taking the time to buy preban mags on an online forum that can't possess them legally?

for privileges to be able to post a want to sell ad on this forum, join the site by going "green" for 21 bucks and post them for sale in the classified for a price you're comfortable with and sell them. then never think about it again because it's insignificant.
 
for privileges to be able to post a want to sell ad on this forum, join the site by going "green" for 21 bucks and post them for sale in the classified for a price you're comfortable with and sell them. then bump your post every month for a year or two if you have set a "reach for the sky" price never think about it again because it's insignificant.
FIFY
 
in my experience I try to drop the price with each bump. no bets is a clear indicator of priced to high. free market economics at work. can't speak for anyone else, but I get where your going and what you're alluding to rob
100% agreed. I find eternal bumps annoying, but the ability to list above market is part of the free market.
 
MA would want you to get proof of their license to be able to possess those here in the kings land, but who really gives a F. a criminal could buy them from any number of places online and have them sent direct to them and wouldn't give 2 shits if they were preban or not.
I suppose to cover your ass you could ask them to show a copy of their permit to possess them but that could be faked via an editor so easy.

in all reality though who is taking the time to buy preban mags on an online forum that can't possess them legally?

for privileges to be able to post a want to sell ad on this forum, join the site by going "green" for 21 bucks and post them for sale in the classified for a price you're comfortable with and sell them. then never think about it again because it's insignificant.
Thanks for the reply. Let me ask a different way. If a gun store in MA has a preban magazine over 10 rounds are they required to verify the person has a MA LTC or does it not apply since it is a preban?
 
Thanks for the reply. Let me ask a different way. If a gun store in MA has a preban magazine over 10 rounds are they required to verify the person has a MA LTC or does it not apply since it is a preban?
a store has to check even if it is below 10 rounds.
@Rob Boudrie corrected me on this so I struck it out, ty rob


do what you're comfortable with. sounds like that is checking, which is ok and only takes two seconds anyway so go for it. you're the seller, you set the parameters of the sale. if the buyer doesn't want to play ball, next.



don't let the way MA does things corrupt you're non-MA mind. Me thinks you're overthinking this...
 
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Incorrect. A MA LTC is required ONLY for pre-ban mags > 10 rounds (>5 for a shotgun). Mags <=10 rounds and they can be bought or sold without requiring a license of any kind on either end of the transaction.
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