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Man arrested at BU trying to carry guns into graduation ceremony

kalash said:
Yes. UMass cops have jurisdiction beyond campus. People find this out the hard way usually. First year of the UMass car show, dozens of cars got pulled over off campus after thinking that they can do burnouts and then quickly leave school grounds and be okay.
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They may very well... but it has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the State Police, and in a thread like this, it's critical that bad information is pointed out, and obliterated.

This is the MGL that gives the Umass PD their authority: https://malegislature.gov/Laws/GeneralLaws/PartI/TitleXII/Chapter75/Section32a

They are NOT SSPOs like B.U. and most likely have a secondary police power appointment from the TOWN of Amhearst. Good day sir.
 
AngelKing said:
Reading some of the commentary on WCVB, I am very frustrated. Some are saying that because of the way he dressed, he's suspicious. Some say because he tried to leave the checkpoint, he's suspicious and that the cops were right to grab him.

I often ask myself how far is this going to go when stories like this come about, and reading the bleating of the citizenry, I think I have my answer. We are coming to a very crucial time in our country that transcends party affiliation, race, religion and personal philosophy. Are we going to live the vision of our founding fathers or are we going to turn our backs on them in order to fulfill a utopian ideal that in logical sense, can't exist?

I don't have the answer to this, except for what I know in my own heart and soul to be true. Is there going to be a tipping point? Is there ever going to be that mystical "go time" that we talk about tongue in cheek? I live in the Commonwealth, so finding others who share my mindset is very difficult indeed.

Help me here, brothers and sisters - I feel as if the hour has grown dark and that sometimes, its very few of us who are willing to light the torch.
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They'll start realizing there is a problem when one of their family members is black bagged and dragged out of the house in the middle of the night. These people don't care until things start effecting them.

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ItalianBostonian said:
You've gotta love the comments section of these news stories. Note the highlighted text, this is one of the reasons this country is going to hell.

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Dude, he doesn't like the idea, don't you get it? His feelings and emotions trump your rights. Period.
 
Comm v Smeaton specifically talks about officers that are employed by the university (in this case Smith, a private school). Seeing as UMass is a state university, are campus police not employed by the state?

Also, see Young v Boston University.



I will happily retract my arguments if it is shown that I am incorrect.
 
Justin said:
They'll start realizing there is a problem when one of their family members is black bagged and dragged out of the house in the middle of the night. These people don't care until things start effecting them.
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Maybe and then again maybe not. Lots of Hitler Youth willingly turned their parents over to the Gestapo for having ideas that were critical of Hitler and National Socialism.
 
kalash said:
Be careful with campus police - some of them are full officers. For example, UMass Amherst cops are actually state troopers with state-wide jurisdiction.
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They go through a version of the State Police Academy I believe but do not have full jurisdiction. I believe they have jurisdiction around the campus especially in areas where housing is mostly college students, however I think they still defer to local PD for some things.
 
kalash said:
Comm v Smeaton specifically talks about officers that are employed by the university (in this case Smith, a private school). Seeing as UMass is a state university, are campus police not employed by the state?

Also, see Young v Boston University.



I will happily retract my arguments if it is shown that I am incorrect.
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The campus police are given their police powers by the state, or in some cases by the city the school is located in. They all go to an academy just like municipal and state police. They have jurisdiction in their respective schools/ school,property etc. They are not employed by the state, they are employed by their respective schools.
 
kalash said:
Comm v Smeaton specifically talks about officers that are employed by the university (in this case Smith, a private school). Seeing as UMass is a state university, are campus police not employed by the state?

Also, see Young v Boston University.



I will happily retract my arguments if it is shown that I am incorrect.
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I addressed your point about them being State Troopers with statewide jurisdiction pretty definitively. Jurisdiction WRT to various campus PDs is an extremely complex issue. Young and Smeaton are cases that discuss SSPO warrants.
 
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Roland Deschain said:
They may very well... but it has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the State Police, and in a thread like this, it's critical that bad information is pointed out, and obliterated.

This is the MGL that gives the Umass PD their authority: https://malegislature.gov/Laws/GeneralLaws/PartI/TitleXII/Chapter75/Section32a

They are NOT SSPOs like B.U. and most likely have a secondary police power appointment from the TOWN of Amhearst. Good day sir.
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They have regular police power on campus property like any other municipal PD. UMASS Amherst is actually considered a town due to its population size.

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Chapter 348 of 2004

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives in General Court assembled, and by the authority of the same, as follows:


SECTION 1. Section 1 of chapter 269 of the General Laws, as appearing in the 2002 Official Edition, is hereby amended by adding the following sentence:- For the purposes of this section, the University of Massachusetts at Amherst shall be considered to be a town.

SECTION 2. Notwithstanding any general or special law to the contrary, the University of Massachusetts at Amherst may enter into an agreement with the town of Amherst, another town, or a city, or other towns and cities, including towns and cities in states contiguous to the commonwealth, to provide mutual aid programs for police departments to increase the capability of such departments to protect the lives, safety, and property of the people in the area designated in the agreement. The agreement may include the furnishing of personal services, supplies, materials, contractual services, and equipment when the resources normally available to the University or any municipality in the agreement are not sufficient to cope with a situation which requires police action. When providing such mutual aid, police officers shall have all the immunities and powers granted to them by the University or the municipalities that employs them including, but not limited to, powers of arrest.

Approved September 16, 2004.
 
This whole story has me depressed. It feels as if authoritarianism isn't an inevitability anymore, its a reality cheered on by the masses too ignorant to know what they just gave up.
 
Stock weld said:
They have regular police power on campus property like any other municipal PD. UMASS Amherst is actually considered a town due to its population size.

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Chapter 348 of 2004

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives in General Court assembled, and by the authority of the same, as follows:


SECTION 1. Section 1 of chapter 269 of the General Laws, as appearing in the 2002 Official Edition, is hereby amended by adding the following sentence:- For the purposes of this section, the University of Massachusetts at Amherst shall be considered to be a town.

SECTION 2. Notwithstanding any general or special law to the contrary, the University of Massachusetts at Amherst may enter into an agreement with the town of Amherst, another town, or a city, or other towns and cities, including towns and cities in states contiguous to the commonwealth, to provide mutual aid programs for police departments to increase the capability of such departments to protect the lives, safety, and property of the people in the area designated in the agreement. The agreement may include the furnishing of personal services, supplies, materials, contractual services, and equipment when the resources normally available to the University or any municipality in the agreement are not sufficient to cope with a situation which requires police action. When providing such mutual aid, police officers shall have all the immunities and powers granted to them by the University or the municipalities that employs them including, but not limited to, powers of arrest.

Approved September 16, 2004.
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Great find. It just shows how GD complex it all is. I never even heard of that.
 
AngelKing said:
I don't have the answer to this, except for what I know in my own heart and soul to be true. Is there going to be a tipping point? Is there ever going to be that mystical "go time" that we talk about tongue in cheek? I live in the Commonwealth, so finding others who share my mindset is very difficult indeed.

Help me here, brothers and sisters - I feel as if the hour has grown dark and that sometimes, its very few of us who are willing to light the torch.
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I share your mindset exactly and I'm not at all optimistic.

The Constitution draws its power from the morality and the will of the citizenry. When a majority of citizens think the Constitution is just a piece of paper, that's all it is.

Since 9/11 the country has taken a big step towards authoritarianism and collectivism. I have an opinion on how and why this happened but won't go into that here. Suffice to say I think there are a large number of Americans who would do anything for a paycheck and a pension.

So take advantage of the fact that it's legal to manufacture a firearm for your own personal use and reflect on the words of Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn.
 
Roland Deschain said:
They may very well... but it has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the State Police, and in a thread like this, it's critical that bad information is pointed out, and obliterated.

This is the MGL that gives the Umass PD their authority: https://malegislature.gov/Laws/GeneralLaws/PartI/TitleXII/Chapter75/Section32a

They are NOT SSPOs like B.U. and most likely have a secondary police power appointment from the TOWN of Amhearst. Good day sir.
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When opened on my phone, that link does not display the header that makes it clear that the section specifically addresses UMass; my bad.


Stock weld said:
They have regular police power on campus property like any other municipal PD. UMASS Amherst is actually considered a town due to its population size.

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Chapter 348 of 2004

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives in General Court assembled, and by the authority of the same, as follows:


SECTION 1. Section 1 of chapter 269 of the General Laws, as appearing in the 2002 Official Edition, is hereby amended by adding the following sentence:- For the purposes of this section, the University of Massachusetts at Amherst shall be considered to be a town.

SECTION 2. Notwithstanding any general or special law to the contrary, the University of Massachusetts at Amherst may enter into an agreement with the town of Amherst, another town, or a city, or other towns and cities, including towns and cities in states contiguous to the commonwealth, to provide mutual aid programs for police departments to increase the capability of such departments to protect the lives, safety, and property of the people in the area designated in the agreement. The agreement may include the furnishing of personal services, supplies, materials, contractual services, and equipment when the resources normally available to the University or any municipality in the agreement are not sufficient to cope with a situation which requires police action. When providing such mutual aid, police officers shall have all the immunities and powers granted to them by the University or the municipalities that employs them including, but not limited to, powers of arrest.

Approved September 16, 2004.
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Since the university MAY enter into such agreements with various towns, how can one find out which, if any, towns they have such an agreement with?
 
kalash said:
Since the university MAY enter into such agreements with various towns, how can one find out which, if any, towns they have such an agreement with?
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Talk to the campus police chief and ask.

Or ask the mayor/town manager/selectmen in each surrounding town to see if they have a mutual aid agreement with UMass.
 
I know it is pretty screwed up in Lowell for sure because the campus is spread out all over the place and even owns property in surrounding towns. I would be interested to see what the official jurisdiction is, but I know what THEY believe the jurisdiction is.
 
He was trying to leave? Do police officers look for people turning around prior to any check points? And everyone wonders why I am paranoid in this state.. One small slip and you're a PP for life. Even if you TRY to follow all the rules you have a chance to get fully boned.
 
I need to stop following the news and threads like this. The bleating from people condemning this guy on both sides is disgusting.

I'm losing faith more and more each day.....
 
At the very least, he's PP in MA for life. Say bye to all his guns and ammo.

He will have to move elsewhere to ever own a gun again.

Unless he has the money for a really good lawyer that gets him off.
 
I find it funny that no one has figured out why he had two firearms on him.

He had one, She had one. "We got them for my birthday" "The couple is both licensed."

My wild ass guess would be he took hers from her purse and was going to put them in the car and someone saw something and said something to the PD.
 
nhams said:
I thought Marshfield was a green town.
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Don't know but there is a strong possibility the guy moved there and never bothered to try to get his license cleansed, so his existing LTC could be issued by a very non-green douche town.

-Mike
 
mark056 said:
Maybe and then again maybe not. Lots of Hitler Youth willingly turned their parents over to the Gestapo for having ideas that were critical of Hitler and National Socialism.
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Yup... with enough brainwashing anything is possible. Particularly these days where a kid who becomes a moonbat that had a weak upbringing might feel compelled to throw one of their other family members under the bus.

-Mike
 
noxin said:
I find it funny that no one has figured out why he had two firearms on him.

He had one, She had one. "We got them for my birthday" "The couple is both licensed."

My wild ass guess would be he took hers from her purse and was going to put them in the car and someone saw something and said something to the PD.
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Could be right.
 
Well we can all start speculating about them recently moving to a green town and that he was taking his wife's gun back to the car etc. and some one saw him. What's interesting is that his wife said that they only recently got their LTCs. This would mean that they got their LTCs, then moved, it could mean that they got their LTCs in a douchebag town, then moved to Marshfield which is green and thought that the restrictions didn't matter anymore, so they could carry. If this is the case, then Rob Boudrie's comment about the their Mass LTC instructor not giving them the proper training holds true, but then again ignorance of the law is no excuse.

Or it could be simply that they have no excuse and they got restricted LTCs and they are simply fools and all speculation is idle. One supposes that it will all come out in court. We can speculate until the cows come home...but right now the only people who really know are the police and the accused.
 

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