Massachusetts Bill HD.4420 "An act to modernize gun Laws"

[Toast]

The expenditure of 7 years' " very long time" to complete your undergraduate and law school education pales when compared to the time and effort required for one to achieve their doctorate in any given field.....

BA in Criminal Justice from St. Anslem's. Not sure that's the most rigorous program out there.

hey, she went to law school, so shut your pie hole

Suffolk Law, nights, while working as a legislative aide. The only way a Democratic legislative aide is not going to finish a law degree at Suffolk is if she sets a teacher's tie on fire in front of the class. Suffolk knows the side on which its bread is buttered.

 

[freddieMA]

Sounds to me like someone's getting tired of being bombarded by the pro 2A crowd.

Keep it up,

hahaha ask her in her professional legal opinion how the roster and mag bans passes heller's common use test.

you're in, you're under her skin. now exploit it!

 

[Harry Christopher]

BA in Criminal Justice from St. Anslem's. Not sure that's the most rigorous program out there.


Suffolk Law, nights, while working as a legislative aide. The only way a Democratic legislative aide is not going to finish a law degree at Suffolk is if she sets a teacher's tie on fire in front of the class. Suffolk knows the side on which its bread is buttered.

Too bad she appears to have missed the night when they discussed the concept of Constitutional civil rights.

 

[vicorjh]

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I'd wager that she demands her lessors to address her as the Honorable Danielle Gregoire (they/them).

 

[Harry Christopher]

I'd wager that she demands her lessors to address her as the Honorable Danielle Gregoire (they/them).

One can hope and dream that after the next election the proper form of address will be the former representative.....

 

[ddeck]

One can hope and dream that after the next election the proper form of address will be the former representative.....

She ran unopposed last time and unless she gets primaried, then she'll be back again.

She's had some larger controversies, but has still survived:

I-Team: Gas Station Leak Traps Homeowners In Polluted Properties

The I-Team investigates how a gas station leak has trapped some Marlborough homeowners in polluted properties.

www.cbsnews.com

The article above makes it sound like she was on top of it, but she wasn't. There was a lot of pressure on her since she didn't take it seriously for a long time.

 

[Harry Christopher]

She ran unopposed last time and unless she gets primaried, then she'll be back again.

She's had some larger controversies, but has still survived:

I-Team: Gas Station Leak Traps Homeowners In Polluted Properties

The I-Team investigates how a gas station leak has trapped some Marlborough homeowners in polluted properties.

www.cbsnews.com

The article above makes it sound like she was on top of it, but she wasn't. There was a lot of pressure on her since she didn't take it seriously for a long time.

Perhaps when the more urbanized parts of the Republic begin to look like L.A., San Francisco, Philadelphia and the rest due to the enactment of ignorant legislation that directly impacts the quality of their daily lives then the people who previously voted for her will begin to question just what positive things has she done for them to merit their voting for her in the first place.

 

[Mountain]

Here is something to think about:

There are an estimated 600,000 licensed gun owners in the Republic today.

There are 20,000 members of GOAL.

So....... who do the 580,000 licensed gun owners...... who are not members of GOAL........think are going to represent them in the fight against what appears to be one of the more blatant, in your face political attempts in the last few decades to outright legislate your 2-A Constitutional civil rights into the dustbin of history?

And.....why do these 580,000 bystanders ........not feel compelled to try to provide whatever aid they are capable of to a statewide organization that has been trying to defend the 2-A civil rights of all Republic gun owners since the 1970s?

If the full nature of the actual underlining intent behind bills such as 4420 does not motivate a gun owner to throw off the cloak of indifference and get involved in the current struggle, then we will all suffer from the results of this arrogance of ignorance...... and perhaps deservedly so.

This is more than a struggle for our present today.......more importantly it is a struggle for the present of future generations.


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I think typical gun owners buy what floats their boat and occasionally take their toys to the range once they find a place to shoot. A place to shoot typically means a club, but again the typical gun owner shows up to shoot occasionally and never attends meetings (nor helps with club). One of my clubs has a membership of ~400 people and at meetings serves great meals for $5. 20 people showed up to the last meeting. Other than club officers and that night's kitchen volunteers, there were only ~ 11 members attending and two of those were new members being voted in.

I could send two separate emails to the membership stating a volcano erupted at the range and I'll still get a rash of emails bitching about the range closure and that we need to do a better job of notifying people. Every year when we have Women On Target training, there is always more than one dork who shows up and bitches about the closure, despite months of notices about the the training and requests for volunteers.

Why do I mention the above lack of attendance and attention to communications? At every meeting and frequently via email we are notifying the membership regarding HD 4420 and asking for them to take action. People suck and don't care. I guess we are lucky that so many show up to sh!tpost here- at least they can get the latest news regarding 4420.

 

[Drix]

"I went to college and law school for a very long time, partly to be able to do this."

Ah, the argument from authority, typically rolled out when a self-important tool can't deal with the specifics of an objection. A subset of this is the "as an education professional" comment at school committee meetings, typically used by someone who thinks you're going to be impressed by her education degree from a school with minimal admission requirements.

"You know what they call the medical student that graduated last in their class? Doctor."

 

[Drix]

I think typical gun owners buy what floats their boat and occasionally take their toys to the range once they find a place to shoot. A place to shoot typically means a club, but again the typical gun owner shows up to shoot occasionally and never attends meetings (nor helps with club). One of my clubs has a membership of ~400 people and at meetings serves great meals for $5. 20 people showed up to the last meeting. Other than club officers and that night's kitchen volunteers, there were only ~ 11 members attending and two of those were new members being voted in.

I could send two separate emails to the membership stating a volcano erupted at the range and I'll still get a rash of emails bitching about the range closure and that we need to do a better job of notifying people. Every year when we have Women On Target training, there is always more than one dork who shows up and bitches about the closure, despite months of notices about the the training and requests for volunteers.

Why do I mention the above lack of attendance and attention to communications? At every meeting and frequently via email we are notifying the membership regarding HD 4420 and asking for them to take action. People suck and don't care. I guess we are lucky that so many show up to sh!tpost here- at least they can get the latest news regarding 4420.

I've been the guy on both sides of this- the one showing up to the range to find it closed and I missed the email, and as the guy sending the emails.

In the latter I generally follow up with "how would you like to have been notified?" Sometimes the answers are helpful, most of the time the answer is "email" and I let them know that one was already sent out with a date.

Huffyniess ensues generally, but its not my problem if you're not reading your messages, my problem is getting those messages to you.

 

[Harry Christopher]

I think typical gun owners buy what floats their boat and occasionally take their toys to the range once they find a place to shoot. A place to shoot typically means a club, but again the typical gun owner shows up to shoot occasionally and never attends meetings (nor helps with club). One of my clubs has a membership of ~400 people and at meetings serves great meals for $5. 20 people showed up to the last meeting. Other than club officers and that night's kitchen volunteers, there were only ~ 11 members attending and two of those were new members being voted in.

I could send two separate emails to the membership stating a volcano erupted at the range and I'll still get a rash of emails bitching about the range closure and that we need to do a better job of notifying people. Every year when we have Women On Target training, there is always more than one dork who shows up and bitches about the closure, despite months of notices about the the training and requests for volunteers.

Why do I mention the above lack of attendance and attention to communications? At every meeting and frequently via email we are notifying the membership regarding HD 4420 and asking for them to take action. People suck and don't care. I guess we are lucky that so many show up to sh!tpost here- at least they can get the latest news regarding 4420.

The club my wife and I shoot at sent an email informing us that there would be a letter signing event protesting the 4420 proposal from 9 to 12 on a Sunday morning. We got there 10 minutes before 9 and were pleasantly surprised to find a fairly sizable crowd waiting to sign 3 different letters. When we left the signing there still was a crowd waiting and my neighbor who went later in the morning said that there was a crowd at that time as well.

I don't know how the turnout has been in the eastern part of the Republic regarding people registering their unhappiness with this institutional attempt to openly violate our Constitutional civil rights but here in the Back of Beyond the response has been far greater than anything I have seen in the last 47 years. Even if the politicians manage to pass more unconstitutional edicts it will be a pyric victory for them as there is an election next year I believe, and the memories of law-abiding gun owners are long.

UPDATE 8.19.2023

I HAVE JUST LEARNED TODAY THAT THIS CLUB PROTEST SIGNING RESULTED IN 488 LETTERS BEING SENT TO BOSTON. THIS ENTIRE ATTEMPT TO MAKE OUR 2-A CONSTITUTIONAL CIVIL RIGHTS NULL AND VOID HAS CERTAINLY RESULTED IN AN UNPRECEDENTED OUTPOURING OF ANGER AND RESOLVE TO FIGHT THIS BILL AND ANY OTHERS LIKE IT.

 

[freddieMA]

She ran unopposed last time and unless she gets primaried, then she'll be back again.

She's had some larger controversies, but has still survived:

I-Team: Gas Station Leak Traps Homeowners In Polluted Properties

The I-Team investigates how a gas station leak has trapped some Marlborough homeowners in polluted properties.

www.cbsnews.com

The article above makes it sound like she was on top of it, but she wasn't. There was a lot of pressure on her since she didn't take it seriously for a long time.

this. not a specific comment to her, but this is a generic problem with a single party state where reps run essentially unopposed.

 

[pdm]

BA in Criminal Justice from St. Anslem's. Not sure that's the most rigorous program out there.


Suffolk Law, nights, while working as a legislative aide. The only way a Democratic legislative aide is not going to finish a law degree at Suffolk is if she sets a teacher's tie on fire in front of the class. Suffolk knows the side on which its bread is buttered.

Hell, even I was able to graduate from Suffolk Law.

And I'm a drooling retard.

 

[HARRYM]

Hell, even I was able to graduate from Suffolk Law.

And I'm a drooling retard.

ANYONE can graduate from college these days, a college degree is a joke now.

 

[Mountain]

I've been the guy on both sides of this- the one showing up to the range to find it closed and I missed the email, and as the guy sending the emails.

In the latter I generally follow up with "how would you like to have been notified?" Sometimes the answers are helpful, most of the time the answer is "email" and I let them know that one was already sent out with a date.

Huffyniess ensues generally, but its not my problem if you're not reading your messages, my problem is getting those messages to you.

It's rare that we don't post multiple notices well in advance of any closures. Before getting involved with club leadership, I used to get ticked off about unannounced weekend closures for bird hunting so now I do my best to take care of those notices myself.

 

[GaryO]

Was today the day that all the dems decided to get back to us? This was the response I received this afternoon. If someone more learned than I could come up with more specificity so I could respond with something other than "you are pissing on our 2A rights", please let me know. I want to pin him down on this the next time I see him around town.

Dear Gary,

Thank you for reaching out regarding HD 4420 “An Act modernizing firearms laws” filed by Representative Michael S. Day. The bill has just recently been filed. It does not have a bill number as there has been no concurrence on which committee will be assigned jurisdiction. The bill must be assigned to a committee before it can have a public hearing to begin the legislative process. You can follow the progress of HD 4420 by looking on https://malegislature.gov/ where you will find information on hearings and how to submit written or oral testimony.

Thank you for sharing your concerns. I would welcome comment on areas of particular concern with as much specificity as you can provide. I am committed to figuring out how best to respond to these efforts in the Commonwealth, keeping in mind the wants and needs of my constituents. I understand that we must have empathy and respect for one another's opinions and ideas, and I strive to keep an open mind

Again, thank you for contacting me and I look forward to working with you on this. In the meantime, if you have any questions or concerns, please do not hesitate to reach out to me.

-Jeff

Jeffrey N. Roy State Representative
Chair, Joint Committee on Telecommunications, Utilities & Energy
State House, Room 43
Boston, MA 02133Tel: 617-722-2030

 

[freddieMA]

Was today the day that all the dems decided to get back to us? This was the response I received this afternoon. If someone more learned than I could come up with more specificity so I could respond with something other than "you are pissing on our 2A rights", please let me know. I want to pin him down on this the next time I see him around town.

Dear Gary,

Thank you for reaching out regarding HD 4420 “An Act modernizing firearms laws” filed by Representative Michael S. Day. The bill has just recently been filed. It does not have a bill number as there has been no concurrence on which committee will be assigned jurisdiction. The bill must be assigned to a committee before it can have a public hearing to begin the legislative process. You can follow the progress of HD 4420 by looking on https://malegislature.gov/ where you will find information on hearings and how to submit written or oral testimony.

Thank you for sharing your concerns. I would welcome comment on areas of particular concern with as much specificity as you can provide. I am committed to figuring out how best to respond to these efforts in the Commonwealth, keeping in mind the wants and needs of my constituents. I understand that we must have empathy and respect for one another's opinions and ideas, and I strive to keep an open mind

Again, thank you for contacting me and I look forward to working with you on this. In the meantime, if you have any questions or concerns, please do not hesitate to reach out to me.

-Jeff

Jeffrey N. Roy State Representative
Chair, Joint Committee on Telecommunications, Utilities & Energy
State House, Room 43
Boston, MA 02133Tel: 617-722-2030

ask him what other civil right does he feel should be subject to the kinds of restrictions he's contemplating?

would he subject voting rights to this?

if not, why not?

don't get yourself into a point to point discussion, that's what they want you to do, prune the tips of the tree, instead of why does this tree exist in the first place?

 

[Picton]

Was today the day that all the dems decided to get back to us? This was the response I received this afternoon. If someone more learned than I could come up with more specificity so I could respond with something other than "you are pissing on our 2A rights", please let me know. I want to pin him down on this the next time I see him around town.

Dear Gary,

Thank you for reaching out regarding HD 4420 “An Act modernizing firearms laws” filed by Representative Michael S. Day. The bill has just recently been filed. It does not have a bill number as there has been no concurrence on which committee will be assigned jurisdiction. The bill must be assigned to a committee before it can have a public hearing to begin the legislative process. You can follow the progress of HD 4420 by looking on https://malegislature.gov/ where you will find information on hearings and how to submit written or oral testimony.

Thank you for sharing your concerns. I would welcome comment on areas of particular concern with as much specificity as you can provide. I am committed to figuring out how best to respond to these efforts in the Commonwealth, keeping in mind the wants and needs of my constituents. I understand that we must have empathy and respect for one another's opinions and ideas, and I strive to keep an open mind

Again, thank you for contacting me and I look forward to working with you on this. In the meantime, if you have any questions or concerns, please do not hesitate to reach out to me.

-Jeff

Jeffrey N. Roy State Representative
Chair, Joint Committee on Telecommunications, Utilities & Energy
State House, Room 43
Boston, MA 02133Tel: 617-722-2030

Dear Jeffrey,

"The wants and needs of your constituents" are less important than the Bill of Rights, for which I have the utmost "empathy and respect." So, keep that in mind too. Dick.


-Gary

 

[Dadstoys]

ask him what other civil right does he feel should be subject to the kinds of restrictions he's contemplating?

would he subject voting rights to this?

if not, why not?

don't get yourself into a point to point discussion, that's what they want you to do, prune the tips of the tree, instead of why does this tree exist in the first place?

If he's a liberal Dem , all of them.

 

[Harry Christopher]

Was today the day that all the dems decided to get back to us? This was the response I received this afternoon. If someone more learned than I could come up with more specificity so I could respond with something other than "you are pissing on our 2A rights", please let me know. I want to pin him down on this the next time I see him around town.

Dear Gary,

Thank you for reaching out regarding HD 4420 “An Act modernizing firearms laws” filed by Representative Michael S. Day. The bill has just recently been filed. It does not have a bill number as there has been no concurrence on which committee will be assigned jurisdiction. The bill must be assigned to a committee before it can have a public hearing to begin the legislative process. You can follow the progress of HD 4420 by looking on https://malegislature.gov/ where you will find information on hearings and how to submit written or oral testimony.

Thank you for sharing your concerns. I would welcome comment on areas of particular concern with as much specificity as you can provide. I am committed to figuring out how best to respond to these efforts in the Commonwealth, keeping in mind the wants and needs of my constituents. I understand that we must have empathy and respect for one another's opinions and ideas, and I strive to keep an open mind

Again, thank you for contacting me and I look forward to working with you on this. In the meantime, if you have any questions or concerns, please do not hesitate to reach out to me.

-Jeff

Jeffrey N. Roy State Representative
Chair, Joint Committee on Telecommunications, Utilities & Energy
State House, Room 43
Boston, MA 02133Tel: 617-722-2030

WARNING............THIS IS A LONG RESPONSE...... SO IF YOU GET BORED EASILY.......OR ARE PRESSED FOR TIME....... FEEL FREE TO IGNORE IT

I am certainly not more learned than you, but here are a few of the talking points I have been sending to our representative and senator.........without much in the way of a response from either one of them which, while disappointing, does not come as much of a surprise to me.


We are writing to you to respectfully request that during your consideration of any legislation to address gun control you bear these points of opinion in mind. While the original H.D. 4420 may be "dead" as one of your colleagues wrote to a constituent who contacted them to express their concerns regarding the said 4420 proposal, the original underlining intentions enumerated in the proposal still lurk in the background....... alive and well...... just waiting for another host to latch onto and bring them back to life.

It may be easy to cavalierly dismiss the opinions of your constituents who contact you expressing their reservations pursuant to what 4420 set forth as just the idle chatter of "gun nuts" who are parroting the party line of their pro-gun organizations, but have you also listened to and taken into account the published opinions from the following people:

The mayor and the police chief of the third largest city in the Commonwealth (Springfield) and the mayor of Westfield have expressed their collective opinions that the ideas behind 4420 will NOT address the issue of crime in any meaningful manner in their cities.

Police, municipal leaders in Western Mass. weigh in on state gun bill

The legislation, HD.4420, called “An Act modernizing firearm laws” was filed June 26 by Rep. Michael Day, D-Stoneham.

www.masslive.com

The Massachusetts Chiefs of Police Association, a statewide organization, does not support the 4420 legislation as it was originally written.

https://www.goal.org/resources/MassChiefs.pdf

The Ware MA police chief does not support 4420 as it was originally written.

Ware, Mass Police Raise the Alarm on HD 4420, a 'Travesty' of a Gun Control Bill - The Truth About Guns

The Ware Police Department would like to bring an important matter to your attention: the proposed anti-gun Bill currently under consideration (HD 4420, An Act Modernizing Firearms Laws). We understand that this state-level legislation has raised concerns among law-abiding citizens who value...

www.thetruthaboutguns.com

The Plymouth MA police chief does not support 4420 as written.

Letter: Plymouth Police Chief says Massachusetts gun bill will turn law-abiding residents into criminals overnight

“As I enter my third year as your police chief, responsible for overseeing the 123 sworn men and women who serve the more than 60,000 of you day in and day out, my duty compels me to speak up. “I have read the relevant portions of H.D. 4420, a bill proposing a substantial rewrite of […]

fallriverreporter.com

The opinions referenced above are not just the idle random rantings of what the anti-gun crowd likes to call the great unwashed and uninformed, but rather the opinions of individuals who are actually confronting the issues of criminal behavior in their towns and cities on a daily basis and trying to do something about it for the benefit of improving the quality of life for all of their residents. It would be more than a stretch of imagination to claim that these folks are just the usual "gun nuts" whose opinions are not worth taking into consideration when you are considering legislation to address the issues of crime in the Commonwealth.

The last major legislation concerning itself with the issue of crime was the Acts of 1998 Chapter 180 bill that upon enactment was said to achieve the following:

“Today, Massachusetts leads the way in cracking down on gun violence,” said Republican Governor Paul Cellucci as he signed the bill into law. “It will save lives and help fight crime in our communities.” Scott Harshbarger, the state’s Democratic attorney general, agreed: “This vote is a victory for common sense and for the protection of our children and our neighborhoods.” One of the state’s leading anti-gun activists, John Rosenthal of Stop Handgun Violence, joined the applause. “The new gun law,” he predicted, “will certainly prevent future gun violence and countless grief.”

It didn’t.

One could be forgiven for thinking that the article this excerpt was taken from was just another foaming at the mouth pro-gun author .........but you would be completely wrong in that opinion. The article was written by Jeff Jacoby and printed in the Boston Globe....not a publication noted for supporting the Constitutional civil rights of gun owners with any degree of enthusiasm....on February 17, 2013 and entitled:

Crime soared with Mass. gun law - The Boston Globe

In 1998, Massachusetts passed what was hailed as the toughest gun-control legislation in the country. It was predicted that the law would prevent future gun violence. It didn’t.

www.bostonglobe.com

While the following analysis of the original 4420 proposal was in fact written by an organization (GOAL) which does support the law-abiding owners who have chosen to avail themselves of firearms as tools to protect their loved ones....their in-depth analysis of just what enactment of the ideas expressed in the original 4420 proposal will result in for all the residents of the Commonwealth are more than a little eye-opening and certainly more honest than have been the political pronouncements from the House leadership and authors of the bill to both their fellow colleagues and the public at large:

https://www.goal.org/resources/GOALMarkup.pdf

The above are the "facts" that I have been sowing upon the barren political ground here in the Back of Beyond......with frankly......not a notable amount of obvious success.....but if you find any of them to be of interest feel free to employ them while conversing with your own political Beautiful Person.

 

[GaryO]

WARNING............THIS IS A LONG RESPONSE...... SO IF YOU GET BORED EASILY.......OR ARE PRESSED FOR TIME....... FEEL FREE TO IGNORE IT

I am certainly not more learned than you, but here are a few of the talking points I have been sending to our representative and senator.........without much in the way of a response from either one of them which, while disappointing, does not come as much of a surprise to me.


We are writing to you to respectfully request that during your consideration of any legislation to address gun control you bear these points of opinion in mind. While the original H.D. 4420 may be "dead" as one of your colleagues wrote to a constituent who contacted them to express their concerns regarding the said 4420 proposal, the original underlining intentions enumerated in the proposal still lurk in the background....... alive and well...... just waiting for another host to latch onto and bring them back to life.

It may be easy to cavalierly dismiss the opinions of your constituents who contact you expressing their reservations pursuant to what 4420 set forth as just the idle chatter of "gun nuts" who are parroting the party line of their pro-gun organizations, but have you also listened to and taken into account the published opinions from the following people:

The mayor and the police chief of the third largest city in the Commonwealth (Springfield) and the mayor of Westfield have expressed their collective opinions that the ideas behind 4420 will NOT address the issue of crime in any meaningful manner in their cities.

Police, municipal leaders in Western Mass. weigh in on state gun bill

The legislation, HD.4420, called “An Act modernizing firearm laws” was filed June 26 by Rep. Michael Day, D-Stoneham.

www.masslive.com

The Massachusetts Chiefs of Police Association, a statewide organization, does not support the 4420 legislation as it was originally written.

https://www.goal.org/resources/MassChiefs.pdf

The Ware MA police chief does not support 4420 as it was originally written.

Ware, Mass Police Raise the Alarm on HD 4420, a 'Travesty' of a Gun Control Bill - The Truth About Guns

The Ware Police Department would like to bring an important matter to your attention: the proposed anti-gun Bill currently under consideration (HD 4420, An Act Modernizing Firearms Laws). We understand that this state-level legislation has raised concerns among law-abiding citizens who value...

www.thetruthaboutguns.com

The Plymouth MA police chief does not support 4420 as written.

Letter: Plymouth Police Chief says Massachusetts gun bill will turn law-abiding residents into criminals overnight

“As I enter my third year as your police chief, responsible for overseeing the 123 sworn men and women who serve the more than 60,000 of you day in and day out, my duty compels me to speak up. “I have read the relevant portions of H.D. 4420, a bill proposing a substantial rewrite of […]

fallriverreporter.com

The opinions referenced above are not just the idle random rantings of what the anti-gun crowd likes to call the great unwashed and uninformed, but rather the opinions of individuals who are actually confronting the issues of criminal behavior in their towns and cities on a daily basis and trying to do something about it for the benefit of improving the quality of life for all of their residents. It would be more than a stretch of imagination to claim that these folks are just the usual "gun nuts" whose opinions are not worth taking into consideration when you are considering legislation to address the issues of crime in the Commonwealth.

The last major legislation concerning itself with the issue of crime was the Acts of 1998 Chapter 180 bill that upon enactment was said to achieve the following:

“Today, Massachusetts leads the way in cracking down on gun violence,” said Republican Governor Paul Cellucci as he signed the bill into law. “It will save lives and help fight crime in our communities.” Scott Harshbarger, the state’s Democratic attorney general, agreed: “This vote is a victory for common sense and for the protection of our children and our neighborhoods.” One of the state’s leading anti-gun activists, John Rosenthal of Stop Handgun Violence, joined the applause. “The new gun law,” he predicted, “will certainly prevent future gun violence and countless grief.”

It didn’t.

One could be forgiven for thinking that the article this excerpt was taken from was just another foaming at the mouth pro-gun author .........but you would be completely wrong in that opinion. The article was written by Jeff Jacoby and printed in the Boston Globe....not a publication noted for supporting the Constitutional civil rights of gun owners with any degree of enthusiasm....on February 17, 2013 and entitled:

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Crime soared with Mass. gun law - The Boston Globe

In 1998, Massachusetts passed what was hailed as the toughest gun-control legislation in the country. It was predicted that the law would prevent future gun violence. It didn’t.

www.bostonglobe.com

While the following analysis of the original 4420 proposal was in fact written by an organization (GOAL) which does support the law-abiding owners who have chosen to avail themselves of firearms as tools to protect their loved ones....their in-depth analysis of just what enactment of the ideas expressed in the original 4420 proposal who result in for all the residents of the Commonwealth are more than a little eye-opening and certainly more honest than have been the political pronouncements from the House leadership and authors of the bill to both their fellow colleagues and the public at large:

https://www.goal.org/resources/GOALMarkup.pdf

The above are the "facts" that I have been sowing upon the barren political ground here in the Back of Beyond......with frankly......not a notable amount of obvious success.....but if you find any of them to be of interest feel free to employ them while conversing with your own political Beautiful Person.

Would you mind if I used this for my reply?

 

[alan226]

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Ah, the shut up, I'm smarter than you argument. I know what's best for you.

There are a lot of stupid lawyers in the world. The fact that most politicians went to law school shows that...

 

[Amputee Marksman]

And before that he was a proponent of gun control in California.

It's amazing how fast somebody can change their mind after they get shot.

Reagan carried a S&W 38Spl revolver the rest of his presidency.

 

[Harry Christopher]

Would you mind if I used this for my reply?

A few more thoughts to share with Representative Roy......

If you want to REALLY ......TRULY.......CAUSE MR. ROY'S EYES TO GLAZE OVER.....you might calmly and quietly inquire if during the course of his due diligence pursuant to the issue of MORE infringement on our Constitutional civil rights, has he become aware of the findings of the following report published by that noted "right wing pro-gun" organization known as:

https://www.mass.gov/doc/2020-death-report/download

If you go to page 179 of this forum thread and message #5352 you will discover my amateur analysis of the Republic's own data that leads a reasonable person to conclude that the leading cause of death for young people was suicide and NOT LAW-FUL GUN OWNERS.

An excerpt from that post:

Yes......it is true that people do in fact die in the Republic over a range of all age groups on a daily basis.

Out of the listed cause of death suicide is one that could greatly benefit from some serious study and financial investment especially in the very vulnerable age range of 15-24 for children and 25-44 for adults.

Despite my best efforts to do so I was unable to discover any potential facets of the 4420 proposal that actually address the real causes of children's death and try to do something constructive about those causes.

If you print out the various charts and graphs from that official Republic report and hand them to him don't be surprised if he is suddenly overcome by a severe clinical case of the vapors.

The following was my last of many emails written to both my senator and representative. Since sending them I have not heard back from either one.........I am shocked, shocked as Captain Renault said when he was in Rick's Cafe.

Dear Senator/Representative,

This news article reports on the opinions of both some police chiefs and elected official’s point of view pursuant to the proposed H.D. 4420 legislation. You will note that they are pointing out the same thing that we have said in our prior emails to you in opposition to the legislation as it is presently written.

The issue of crime in the Commonwealth is not one predicated upon the behavior of citizens who lawfully own firearms……IT IS NOW AND ALWAYS HAS BEEN DRIVEN SOLELY BY THE NON-COMPLIANCE WITH THE LAW BY CRIMINALS.

Disarming and criminalizing law-abiding citizens will not in any way, shape or form have any reductive impact on the crime rate in the Commonwealth, what it will do is increase the overall rate of victimization of decent people just trying to provide security and safety for their families and themselves to the best of their collective abilities.

When the time arrives for you to consider the proposed legislation we respectfully request that you afford serious consideration to the demonstrative negative impacts legislation such as this present example will impose upon the citizens of the Commonwealth in general and upon your constituents in particular.

Classifying by blind edict law-abiding people as criminals will not now nor in the future have any constructive impact on the crime situation…..it never has and it never will.

Thank you for your time.


If you find any of my musings to be of passing assistance to you during your own part in this struggle against the forces of dark and insipid institutional ignorance, feel free to employ them as you will.

And don't forget:

 

[Matt_SERE]

It's amazing how fast somebody can change their mind after they get shot.

Reagan carried a S&W 38Spl revolver the rest of his presidency.

Not the .38 but still S&W. Yes, that's Miss Kitty. Cued:

View: https://youtu.be/8z4OG1EmzQA?t=1353

 

[413guy]

admittedly being lazy on search here...anyone know where to get a yard sign against this nonsense in greater springfield area. saw goal has them at HQ just hard to get there while open during the week. thanks

 

[Chappy7]

admittedly being lazy on search here...anyone know where to get a yard sign against this nonsense in greater springfield area. saw goal has them at HQ just hard to get there while open during the week. thanks

HD.4420 Sign Pick Up Spots:​

If you want to host a pickup spot contact KerrieAnn@goal.org

Northeast:

• Patriot Arms - Route 1 Ipswich, MA
• Precision Point Firearms - Woburn, MA
• Ma**h*** Firearms - Littleton, MA
• Lowell Sportsmen's Club - Chelmsford, MA
• Nicholas - Stoneham, MA
• Four Seasons Firearms - Woburn, MA

Southeast:

• On Target Training - East Bridgewater, MA
• Brophy's Fine Firearms - Middleborough, MA
• Outer Limits Pro Shop - Holbrook, MA
• Standish Sportsman's Assoc. - Bridgewater, MA
• Assawompset Arms Co. - Lakeville, MA
• Hunter's Trading Post - Weymouth, MA
• Reedy's Archery - Middleborough, MA
• Noon Hill Medfield Sportsman Club - Medfield, MA
• Armour Sports - Taunton, MA
• Patriot Firearms School - Rehoboth, MA
• Arms Group - Hopedale, MA
• Mass Firearms School - Holliston, MA
• Standish Sportsman's Assoc. - East Bridgewater

Cape:

• Cape Gun Works - Hyannis, MA

Central:

• GOAL Office - Northborough (Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday)
• Nick's Sports Shop on Park Street in Palmer, MA
• Nenameseck Sportsmens Club in Palmer, MA
• Bearded Arms - Chicopee, MA
• Down Range Sports - Barre, MA
• Match Shot Firearms - Gardner, MA
• The Gun Parlor - Worcester, MA
• Marlboro Fish & Game Association – Marlboro, MA
• MB Sporting Goods – Three Rivers, MA
• Spencer Fish & Game - Spencer, MA
• Franklin County Sportsman - Deerfield, MA
• Otter River Sportsmen - Templeton, MA
• The Gun Rack - Turner Falls, MA
• Red Circle Tactical - Fall River, MA
• Independent Sportsman's Club - Foxborough, MA
• Ames Rifle and Pistol Club - Easton, MA

Western:

• Fairview Rod and Gun – Granby
• Dave's Sporting Goods - Pittsfield, MA
• Pete's Gun Shop - Adams, MA

GOAL

 

[413guy]

Thanks @Chappy7

 

[flippinfleck]

As of this evening there are four locations for the stop HD4420 overpass standouts this coming weekend: Leominster, Newburyport, Norton, and Waltham.

See the quoted post above for the info link.

Doing my part and putting up signs in highly visible areas. Looks like the guys at Hamilton Rod and Gun club in Sturbridge are going to try and organize something on Saturday. Signs on the bridge on New Boston Road over the Mass Pike. I have to work but would definitely be there if I were off.... I'll post more info as I receive it.

Yes, Hamilton Rod and Gun will be over the Pike on Saturday. Not sure how many but it is a short trip from the club to the bridge. Come on down and get to know your neighbors.

 

[MassPete]

Just read the email. They are on for tomorrow at noon in Sturbridge….