Massachusetts Bill HD.4420 "An act to modernize gun Laws"

I just asked to cite occurrences. I get a nothing answer. Cases happening incognito don’t want to go into details.
I know Ma voters are not helping us. But if the NRA isn’t going to show their face that they are helping then why wouldn’t people say they’re not doing anything.
If I understand correctly, and I probably don't, they can't really get involved till it's voted on.
 
Yes - everything post Sept 13, 1994 is banned including stripped lowers and barrels
Right on.
Earlier in the thread it was being loosely thrown around that the AWB was effectively the same but, I wanted to be sure a casual reader didn't leave this thread with that notion.
 
Full article. Wow is Day a douche bag.

Mass. House and Senate Democrats just can’t seem to agree on this gun bill

Mass. House and Senate Democrats just can’t seem to agree on this gun bill​

By Sam Doran | State House News Service

With the unfinished fiscal 2024 budget, a road and bridge funding bill, and even their internal rules still tied up in slow-moving backroom negotiations, House and Senate Democrats found another area in which they disagreed Monday.

Lawmakers from both branches say firearm law reforms are a priority, but when a newly-filed gun reform bill came to the floor, the House and Senate were on different pages for a routine procedural step.

Rep. Michael Day filed his 140-page proposal June 26 after wrapping up a “listening tour” with 11 stops around the state. That same day, the House sent the bill to the Judiciary Committee, which Day co-chairs.

It takes agreement from the opposite branch to send a late-filed bill like Day’s into a joint committee, and a couple of weeks passed by without any action in the Senate.

“I assume it’s in the process like a lot of late-filed bills. A number of them were admitted today and I’m sure this is in the stream somewhere,” Senate Minority Leader Bruce Tarr said after the Senate adjourned July 3.

Meantime, a Day aide was perched in the Senate Gallery watching several of that branch’s sessions from start to finish. And Day was vocal about the Senate’s pace to introduce his bill, telling POLITICO Massachusetts late last week that it was “astounding to [him] that the Senate refuses to assign this bill to a committee.”

“It’s usually a perfunctory exercise. The longer we sit on this, the longer people succumb to gun violence in our neighborhoods,” the Stoneham Democrat said.

Day reserved the Gardner Auditorium — the State House’s largest hearing room — on behalf of the Judiciary Committee for June 29 and 30, and then for July 13 and 14. No Judiciary Committee hearing was publicly advertised for any of those dates as of Monday.

The Senate’s position, it turned out on Monday, was that the bill doesn’t belong with Day’s panel.

Sen. Walter Timilty, who presided over the Senate Monday, said during a recess in the session that he hadn’t seen Day’s comments to Politico, but that branches customarily send gun-related bills to the Public Safety Committee, which he co-chairs.

“Traditionally, they have [been referred to Public Safety], as far as my service extends back in the Legislature. We’ll see what happens. It’s a work in progress,” Timilty told the News Service, around two hours before the Senate ultimately brought the matter to the floor.

“I like Rep. Day very much. He’s a fine guy,” the Milton Democrat added. “I’m happy to work on any bill that involves making the citizens of the commonwealth safer, in conjunction with Rep. Day and my colleagues.”

After holding its session open into the afternoon, the Senate voted to reroute the bill to the Public Safety Committee instead. That action bounced the bill back to the House, which as early as Thursday could vote to either back down from its earlier vote and let the matter go to Public Safety, which Timilty co-chairs with Rep. Carlos Gonzalez, or “insist” on its earlier vote and bounce the bill back to the Senate Chamber again.

A spokesman for Speaker Ronald Mariano said Monday afternoon that the House was considering its next steps.

In a statement to the News Service, Day stuck by the relevance of his committee to work on firearm legislation and said the Senate “chose to waste a week.”

“A year ago, this Legislature responded to the Supreme Court’s attempt to weaken Massachusetts gun safety statutes with a bill from the Joint Committee on the Judiciary. Two weeks ago, I filed a bill that reflects the work that I, and a majority of my colleagues, have done in the wake of that decision. The House then referred it to the Judiciary Committee for a public hearing and for consideration,” Day said. “That the Senate chose to waste a week, convening three times without acting on this proposal, only to finally refer it to another Committee is incredibly disappointing, as this action delays a public hearing in the face of ongoing deadly gun violence in our streets.”

A Day aide pointed the News Service to 16 bills in the Judiciary Committee that he characterized as related to guns.

Senate Majority Leader Cynthia Creem, meanwhile, said “there are 47 other gun bills, from what I understand, including my own, that have been referred to Public Safety by both the House and the Senate.”

Among the major focuses of Day’s bill is cracking down on so-called ghost guns — homemade, untraceable firearms.

Creem and Rep. Marjorie Decker filed standalone “ghost gun” bills (H 2312 / S 1496) in January, before this session’s bill-filing deadline, and those were both referred to the Public Safety Committee.

“Public Safety is charged with issues relating to gun safety and firearms,” Creem, of Newton, told the News Service. “And I had assumed that this would go where all the other bills went. Because there’s a lot of bills, and it would be great if there was a hearing where all the bills could be heard. Lots of people have great ideas, and I think it’s great that Rep. Day filed an omnibus bill, and I think that we want to hear that and all of the bills, including mine.”

Creem called gun law reforms a “priority” for the Senate and said she “know the House is anxious to get started.”

“I looked at it quickly,” she said of Day’s omnibus bill. “It’s very long. And there are certainly some good things in it.”
 
The NRA has been active in NY, IL, CA and other deep anti gun blue states very recently. Why they abandoned MA is a mystery.
Because the circuits those states are located in aren’t nearly as anti-2A as the circuit MA is in. 2A Legal challenges are pretty much DOA here, the 1st Circuit is vehemently anti-2A.
 
You guys over here fighting over semantics of the bill are really pissing me off.

Why don’t you just bend over and lube up your a**h***s like you’re ready to get f***ed.

go ahead and comply like good boys, just lay down and take it and don’t resist.


You know what, go ahead and load your family on the train car, we are going for a scenic tour.
This is true people are already trying to know how to comply. Mass non compliance is what is needed here! This bill is a complete violation of our rights. If we don't stand up against tyrannical government then we are just as bad as they are. I hope that people here that think your rights, and the future our children's rights who don’t have a say is worth fighting for grow a pair! If this bill passes becomes law I see an opportunity here law suits will happen, it will get supreme courts attention, our rights will then be restored. Sometimes it takes a bad situation to make things right.
1000%
It is sad how members here are trying to determine how to comply and if their guns are complaint as is etc. WTF
 
Full article. Wow is Day a douche bag.

Mass. House and Senate Democrats just can’t seem to agree on this gun bill

Mass. House and Senate Democrats just can’t seem to agree on this gun bill​

By Sam Doran | State House News Service

With the unfinished fiscal 2024 budget, a road and bridge funding bill, and even their internal rules still tied up in slow-moving backroom negotiations, House and Senate Democrats found another area in which they disagreed Monday.

Lawmakers from both branches say firearm law reforms are a priority, but when a newly-filed gun reform bill came to the floor, the House and Senate were on different pages for a routine procedural step.

Rep. Michael Day filed his 140-page proposal June 26 after wrapping up a “listening tour” with 11 stops around the state. That same day, the House sent the bill to the Judiciary Committee, which Day co-chairs.

It takes agreement from the opposite branch to send a late-filed bill like Day’s into a joint committee, and a couple of weeks passed by without any action in the Senate.

“I assume it’s in the process like a lot of late-filed bills. A number of them were admitted today and I’m sure this is in the stream somewhere,” Senate Minority Leader Bruce Tarr said after the Senate adjourned July 3.

Meantime, a Day aide was perched in the Senate Gallery watching several of that branch’s sessions from start to finish. And Day was vocal about the Senate’s pace to introduce his bill, telling POLITICO Massachusetts late last week that it was “astounding to [him] that the Senate refuses to assign this bill to a committee.”

“It’s usually a perfunctory exercise. The longer we sit on this, the longer people succumb to gun violence in our neighborhoods,” the Stoneham Democrat said.

Day reserved the Gardner Auditorium — the State House’s largest hearing room — on behalf of the Judiciary Committee for June 29 and 30, and then for July 13 and 14. No Judiciary Committee hearing was publicly advertised for any of those dates as of Monday.

The Senate’s position, it turned out on Monday, was that the bill doesn’t belong with Day’s panel.

Sen. Walter Timilty, who presided over the Senate Monday, said during a recess in the session that he hadn’t seen Day’s comments to Politico, but that branches customarily send gun-related bills to the Public Safety Committee, which he co-chairs.

“Traditionally, they have [been referred to Public Safety], as far as my service extends back in the Legislature. We’ll see what happens. It’s a work in progress,” Timilty told the News Service, around two hours before the Senate ultimately brought the matter to the floor.

“I like Rep. Day very much. He’s a fine guy,” the Milton Democrat added. “I’m happy to work on any bill that involves making the citizens of the commonwealth safer, in conjunction with Rep. Day and my colleagues.”

After holding its session open into the afternoon, the Senate voted to reroute the bill to the Public Safety Committee instead. That action bounced the bill back to the House, which as early as Thursday could vote to either back down from its earlier vote and let the matter go to Public Safety, which Timilty co-chairs with Rep. Carlos Gonzalez, or “insist” on its earlier vote and bounce the bill back to the Senate Chamber again.

A spokesman for Speaker Ronald Mariano said Monday afternoon that the House was considering its next steps.

In a statement to the News Service, Day stuck by the relevance of his committee to work on firearm legislation and said the Senate “chose to waste a week.”

“A year ago, this Legislature responded to the Supreme Court’s attempt to weaken Massachusetts gun safety statutes with a bill from the Joint Committee on the Judiciary. Two weeks ago, I filed a bill that reflects the work that I, and a majority of my colleagues, have done in the wake of that decision. The House then referred it to the Judiciary Committee for a public hearing and for consideration,” Day said. “That the Senate chose to waste a week, convening three times without acting on this proposal, only to finally refer it to another Committee is incredibly disappointing, as this action delays a public hearing in the face of ongoing deadly gun violence in our streets.”

A Day aide pointed the News Service to 16 bills in the Judiciary Committee that he characterized as related to guns.

Senate Majority Leader Cynthia Creem, meanwhile, said “there are 47 other gun bills, from what I understand, including my own, that have been referred to Public Safety by both the House and the Senate.”

Among the major focuses of Day’s bill is cracking down on so-called ghost guns — homemade, untraceable firearms.

Creem and Rep. Marjorie Decker filed standalone “ghost gun” bills (H 2312 / S 1496) in January, before this session’s bill-filing deadline, and those were both referred to the Public Safety Committee.

“Public Safety is charged with issues relating to gun safety and firearms,” Creem, of Newton, told the News Service. “And I had assumed that this would go where all the other bills went. Because there’s a lot of bills, and it would be great if there was a hearing where all the bills could be heard. Lots of people have great ideas, and I think it’s great that Rep. Day filed an omnibus bill, and I think that we want to hear that and all of the bills, including mine.”

Creem called gun law reforms a “priority” for the Senate and said she “know the House is anxious to get started.”

“I looked at it quickly,” she said of Day’s omnibus bill. “It’s very long. And there are certainly some good things in it.”
Not sure what his rush is. It’s going to get passed eventually. Does he have campaign money from special interests that rely on this passing in a certain form or before a certain date. His behavior to rush the bill is almost manic behavior on his part. what Violence occurred in the last week that this bill would have stopped even if it were in effect for one or two years? he seems to be panicking about some imaginary deadline? Seems like his dem colleagues want to tell him to STFU and they‘ll get to it in due time and through the typical committee that traditionally reviews these things. this needs to be watched closely as he’s rushing this for some reason other than his mourning the mountain of fictional gun violence that happened in the past week.
 
Not sure what his rush is. It’s going to get passed eventually. Does he have campaign money from special interests that rely on this passing in a certain form or before a certain date. His behavior to rush the bill is almost manic behavior on his part. what Violence occurred in the last week that this bill would have stopped even if it were in effect for one or two years? he seems to be panicking about some imaginary deadline? Seems like his dem colleagues want to tell him to STFU and they‘ll get to it in due time and through the typical committee that traditionally reviews these things. this needs to be watched closely as he’s rushing this for some reason other than his mourning the mountain of fictional gun violence that happened in the past week.
He has a tyranny boner raging.
 
If this does go through it has to be fought.

You think we could easily get a preliminary injunction, where it goes on for years and years
 
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Not sure what his rush is. It’s going to get passed eventually. Does he have campaign money from special interests that rely on this passing in a certain form or before a certain date. His behavior to rush the bill is almost manic behavior on his part. what Violence occurred in the last week that this bill would have stopped even if it were in effect for one or two years? he seems to be panicking about some imaginary deadline? Seems like his dem colleagues want to tell him to STFU and they‘ll get to it in due time and through the typical committee that traditionally reviews these things. this needs to be watched closely as he’s rushing this for some reason other than his mourning the mountain of fictional gun violence that happened in the past week.
Maura is hoping for a federal job in 2024 when the Dems win and he wants to be a good boy and show his value like a true beta
 
Maura is hoping for a federal job in 2024 when the Dems win and he wants to be a good boy and show his value like a true beta
I always thought her next step would be to kick Markey to the curb. I think he’s up for re-election in 2026, which gives her 3 years to schmooze the Obamas into letting her be Michelle’s running mate in 2028, and a year as Senator for national attention. Maybe white boy gets to stay behind and play governor, but, the dems are increasingly growing tired of white boys like him, even if they start swinging Wildly left.
 
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