Mini 14 questions

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I just picked up a mini-14 (182 series) from Collectors and it needs some TLC. I don't know much about them but going over it I have some concerns. These are gas operated, right? If so, what I assume is the gas block has a port out the bottom underneath the barrel. There doesn't appear however to be a gas tube between that and the receiver. Is this right and the gas tube is elsewhere (I didn't take the stock apart, just the top handguard off so I may have missed something). Also, anyone know where I can pick up a real factory folder stock in stainless? Also I need to replace the rear sight since they replaced it with a weaver pic rail for a scope. Any idea on where I can get those types of parts?

Edit: OK, the gas tube question is answered. There is no gas tub because the bolt runs the length of the stock so it is not needed. I should have worked the action while the handguard was off. Doh!
 
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Also, anyone know where I can pick up a real factory folder stock in stainless? Also I need to replace the rear sight since they replaced it with a weaver pic rail for a scope. Any idea on where I can get those types of parts?



Cheaper Than Dirt has a stainless folder mfg by Butler Creek. Item number: 23872. You'll probably have to get the rear sight direct from Ruger, unless you can find an aftermarket variant. Try Brownells or Midway.

Bill
 
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The Mini-14 uses a different system than the Stoner AR series. It is loosely based on the US M1 Carbine, which is in turn based on the US M1 Rifle (Garand) and M14 Rifle.

When the bullet passes by the gas port in the barrel, a portion of the gas is vented down through the gas block and into what Ruger calls the "piston," which is actually a non-moving tit. The tit sits inside a recess milled into an inertia block at the forward end of the operating rod.

The expanding gas emitted by the tit starts the operating rod moving aft (after a delay to overcome the inertia of the inertia block). Very quickly, the tit emerges from the milled recess in the inertia block, thus directly venting any remaining gas to the atmosphere (through the opening in the bottom of the fore end). This acts as an effective metering system, as well as resulting in a much cleaner system than the M1/M14/M1 Carbine (all of which are cleaner than the Stoner).

The operating rod, once set in motion, continues moving aft. A lug in the right forward corner of the bolt rides in a corresponding notch in the rear of the operating rod. This notch cams the bolt unlocked, and now both the bolt and the operating rod continue moving aft, extracting and ejected the spent case, cocking the hammer, and compressing the recoil spring.

After completing its aftward journey, the bolt/operating rod now move forward under the force of the unloading recoil spring. They strip and chamber a fresh round of ammunition, after which the bolt stops while the operating rod continues, camming the bolt locked.

In addition to being cleaner than the M1/M14/M1 Carbine, the Ruger differs in that the operating rod is not confined to a gas cylinder (M1/M14) or splined to the barrel (M1 Carbine), but rather is located by two steel pieces set into the stock. These form a channel in which the inertia block rides. This makes for easier disassembly, since once the action is out of the stock, the forward end of the operating rod is hanging free. However, this design it puts a premium on stock fitting, as either too much or too little mechanical impedence of the metal channel on the inertia block will affect function.

The operating rod design of all three of the M1, M14 and M1Carbine pose three potential disadvantages vis-a-vis the Stoner design: increased weight, more complicated disassembly (the barrelled action must be removed from the stock in order to remove the bolt), and the potential for bending the operating rod (such as by dropping it during disassembly) in such a way as to render the rifle non-functional. In addition, some folks observe that the M1/M14/M1 Carbine design employs a non-axial moving mass, which has as least some theoretical tendency to knock the weapon off target during cycling. In real life, though, you won't notice this affect.

The saddest thing is that Ruger nullified the innovation in action design that the Mini-14 represents by mating it with a whippy barrel that renders most Mini-14s horrendously inaccurate.
 
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Thanks for the info guys, especially the small novel from RKG[wink]. It would have taken me years to learn that much about the mini-14 had you not offered up that. Thanks.
 
There's a company out of Colorado called Accuracy Systems that has all sorts of after market goodies for the Mini 14/30 rifles. The one that gets my attention is the adjustable gas block. I had a Mini years go and my biggest complaint was that it threw brass quite a distance and being a reloader it was annoying trying to find all my brass. It's a simple bolt on and according to the sight it can be set for a single shot to throwing the brass a fair distance.
The company also does trigger jobs on the Mini as well.
 
Any upgrades to a Mini-14 that don't start with a true bull barrel (and corresponding gas block) are a waste of money.

From the factory, the Mini-14 (particularly the stainless version) is a good "repel boarders" weapon, limited to repel boards range.
 
And by that time you've spent AR15 money.

Yeah, I don't care about pinpoint accuracy. I have other rifles for that. I have my AR (but I guess I should get 15 more like EC...[wink]) in M4 and for precision accuracy I have other things and I can always get another upper for the lower I have too. I want this because it is a mini-14, warts and all. Just the stock here has been terribly refinished and needs to go, but I want a wood stock, and faking up a side folder would be nice since I would never in a million years pay $1500 for a real 180 series side folder.
I did shoot it the other day and even standing the group sizes were not bad at all.
 
If you understand and accept the limits of the Mini-14, then by all means go for it. They are fun to shoot and easy to clean, and in certain circumstances (I wasn't kidding about repelling boarders), they can be a useful defense weapon.

As a plinker, the only real downside is the cost of ammo. At the moment, 5.56 is just under $.50/round, while good carbine ammo from the CMP is about $.30/round, about 40% less. (If you reload, the costs are about equal: the carbine round uses only half as much powder, but 110-gr .308 FMJs are more expensive than bulk 55-gr .224 FMJBTs.)

And yes, even though your Mini-14 is called ".223" in the Ruger-supplied literature, the chamber is cut for (and the barrel is marked) 5.56.
 
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And yes, even though your Mini-14 is called ".223" in the Ruger-supplied literature, the chamber is cut for (and the barrel is marked) 5.56.

You know, I was wondering that. When I picked it up @ collectors I asked if this was capable of handling 5.56 and the bonehead at the store said, "they're [.223 and 5.56] both the same, go for it" and I said "no they're not, one has significantly higher pressure and a longer rifling headspace". He rolled his eyes and needless to say I wasn't about to shoot my 5.56 in it. But now that I know, I will. Thanks.

I wouldn't use this as a defense weapon though. I am not sure what is causing the issue yet, but I had a lot of FTF issues with good .223 brass. I am not sure if it is the mags, or something worse, but I get an average of less than 5 rounds before I have to help a round along. And the mags are finicky about how they go in, even worse than the AKs (almost the same motion and mechanism as the AKs too). One thing I love about ARs, the mags will always go in so long as the bolt is open.
 
I wouldn't use this as a defense weapon though. I am not sure what is causing the issue yet, but I had a lot of FTF issues with good .223 brass. I am not sure if it is the mags, or something worse, but I get an average of less than 5 rounds before I have to help a round along. And the mags are finicky about how they go in,

I found exactly "one", that's right, "one", non-factory 20 round mag that would function properly in my Mini. Your results may vary...I still loved that gun!!!

Bill
 
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