Looking at this from the outside, I get your point. But I'm not on the outside. It happened to me. Multiple times. I am not the kind of person to just let that pass. I dug into this as deep as I could. I corroborated with several people. I shared my experiences and you are free to conclude what you will. But I can assure you that nothing that I can control is the problem.
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Looking at this from the outside, I get your point. But I'm not on the outside. It happened to me. Multiple times. I am not the kind of person to just let that pass. I dug into this as deep as I could. I corroborated with several people. I shared my experiences and you are free to conclude what you will. But I can assure you that nothing that I can control is the problem.
I've had 3 handguns transferred to me in NH, all pre-COVID. I was born in MA and spent almost all my years in MA. Twice I had to wait ~1 hour and once ~15 minutes to get cleared. In MA I probably did 70-80 transfers previously and never had to wait more than "instantaneous" . . . so the NH gun line does slow things down. But alluding to all people born in MA being held up, just isn't correct. And for the record, I never put my SSN on those forms (not on a 4473 and not on a LTC application form)!!
Based on my experience, and several other I have spoken to, it makes sense to at least offer fair warning. My advice to the OP. You may have other, as you seem more prescient. You have up till now, refuted my direct experience and advice three different times. Should you do it a fourth, it will be to nobody, as I wont be listening. You are boring to keep going back and forth with. Since I can't make you STFU, I will just ignore.
Obviously we can't test it but it would be funny if you were easily able to buy a rifle at the same time. (Feds only) That would have at least proven the gun line was at least blowing some smoke.
I am going to ask some people i know who use the gun line a lot over past 6 yrs they can probably back up what you saw.
I'm willing to test this. With your money.....
May not be correct. In my original post, I asked for FFL input as I admit I do not know. All I can say, with certainty, is I got delayed at 4 different dealers, over 3 years and each one relayed the exact same message "MA system down, come back in 3 days". Not embellished or made up, it told directly to me, my wife, and several others I spoke to at a gun show. Would love to get to the bottom of why I was told that....
I haven't made a purchase in a year. But I was just reminded by my wife that this happened to her another time, we do not share a last name so there is no obvious connection. But it happened on a gun sale Xmas 2019 at Monadnock Firearms in Fitzwilliam. And he definitely told us it was delayed because of a MA system problem, and to come back in 3 days as it would clear. We do both use SSN on the 4473. Maybe its time to stop doing that.
Including your SSN on the form will only make the NICS check go through faster.
Not saying it isn't time to stop giving your SSN to gun shops, but this isn't why...
you need state permission to carry on an ATV? i thought that was ditched
edit: looks like its being done away with. what a ridiculous rule
NRA-ILA | New Hampshire: Senate Judiciary Committee Passes ATV Carry
The Senate Judiciary Committee voted in favor of House Bill 344, which allows an individual to carry a loaded firearm on an Off-Highway Recreation Vehicle (OHRV).
www.nraila.org
Right, should be taken care of soon, hopefully.you need state permission to carry on an ATV? i thought that was ditched
edit: looks like its being done away with. what a ridiculous rule
NRA-ILA | New Hampshire: Senate Judiciary Committee Passes ATV Carry
The Senate Judiciary Committee voted in favor of House Bill 344, which allows an individual to carry a loaded firearm on an Off-Highway Recreation Vehicle (OHRV).
ATV or no ATV, I'd still get one.
Because I like to have the option to buy pistols face to face.
And I have a MA non-res LTC so I can carry in Massachusetts (and compete) and it is required in order to apply in Massachusetts.
And for reciprocity with states that honor it.
If you only use FFLs and you never leave NH (or bring guns out state) then no, it's not worth it.
For pistols you are supposed to "personally know" the buyer, unless they have P&R, in which case that requirement is waived.
§ Sec. 159:14 Exemption.
None of the provisions of this chapter shall prohibit an individual not licensed under the provisions thereof who is not engaged in the business of selling pistols or revolvers from selling a pistol or revolver to a person licensed under this chapter or to a person personally known to him.
(emphasis mine)
No, it's the law. Whether or not it's enforced or not is open to debate.
But openly admitting you don't know the buyer and did not see their P&R is a violation of the law.
Or, you can pay $10 for a few years and forget about that inconvenience, and gain other perks.
I believe the penalty is a class B felony, but I am not 100% sure on that part.
Right, I mentioned that the "personally known" part is, I believe, legally untested.
I'd rather just pay $2.50 a year or whatever it is and not even have to countenance it.
But to go back to your original question, that is why; anyone wanting to carry in MA will need one, and it's very cheap/easy insurance/accessibility for private sales, as well as ATV carry (for the time being) and reciprocity with like 20 others states or whatever the count is these days. There's also tangential stuff, like a CCW license counting for CMP purchases, etc.
The state site lists 30 reciprocal states, including several of our fellow "Constitutional carry" states where reciprocity makes little or no difference.
I mostly keep my NH license active because it is a pre-requisite to apply for non-resident licenses in many states. For example, the Utah non-resident adds a half dozen additional interesting states.
I've done a half dozen handgun purchases over the past 5 years and all completed background check in 20-40 mins, except last November, when I had to wait two days for background check for a Ruger Mark IV 22. No idea why. I got the carry permit, which lasts for 5 years IIRC, for reciprocity purposes.
Interesting that you mention Utah, since Utah is one of the states that doesn't require you to have a license in your home state. I got my Utah when I was in MA and did not have a MA license.
That was just for you, because Massachusetts does not recognize the Utah LTC (no reciprocity).
For residents of reciprocal states (like NH), a Utah application/renewal must include proof of your resident license in your home state.
FRB chooses not to administratively expire a LTC unless requested by the LO. They have the ability to do it, but choose not to do so. This was directly told to me by the FRB Director (unsure if it was Jason or Michaela when I was told this).
You forgot one . . . Fed law about being armed within 1000' of a school. Although it is unknown if ever prosecuted, that $10 P/R License legally protects you from that. Unless a NH officer is part of a Fed TaskForce, no other NH LEOs have the power to enforce Fed laws. So, the risk is low, but it's there on the books.
How can you get screwed for doing "the right thing" by notifying the issuing authority and FRB? I'm really curious what nefarious things you (and others) think that can come from this?
You may have forgotten a few states. I doubt it will buy you anything in NJ. I don't know if you are missing any others.
Nope no others. I just forgot to list NJ. If you notice, I said it was good in 36 states then only listed 13 of the 14 no-go states. In my defense, NJ is very forgettable.
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I've purchased 6 handguns since I moved to NH two and a half years ago, and my wife has purchased one. The longest we ever had to wait was about an hour and a half. Another time, we had to wait about a half hour. The other five took minutes. Neither of us put our SSN on the form. Three of those purchases (not the 1.5 hour) came after all this pandemic BS started.
