New ATF director named?

loneranger said:
I thought one can work no more than one full time job for the federal government?
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He can hold both roles. It’s not breaking any laws that I can find and it’s acting.

In terms of what he could do with that role:

Specific Actions Patel Could Take

- Rollback Biden-Era Rules: Patel could initiate rulemaking to rescind or modify the “Engaged in the Business” Rule, Pistol Brace Rule, “Ghost Gun” Rule, and Zero Tolerance Policy, aligning with Trump’s executive order and Republican demands.

- Reclassify Firearms/Accessories: He could revise ATF classifications (e.g., reclassifying pistol braces as non-NFA items) to reduce regulatory burdens, as courts have done in cases like Franklin Armory.

- Destroy Old Records: He could comply with Republican senators’ requests () to destroy outdated ATF Form 4473 records, reducing data collection on gun owners.

- Shift Enforcement Priorities: Patel could redirect ATF resources away from regulating law-abiding gun owners (e.g., FFL inspections for minor errors) toward combating illegal firearms trafficking or transnational crime, as Bondi instructed.

- Abolish the ATF (Hypothetical): Some X posts suggest abolishing the ATF entirely. However, this would require congressional action to repeal the agency’s authorizing statutes (GCA, NFA), which is beyond Patel’s authority as Director.
 
safetyfirst2125 said:
He can hold both roles. It’s not breaking any laws that I can find and it’s acting.
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Yeah, I looked into it. Apparently by following the Federal Vacancies Reform Act of 1998, the President can nominate someone who is already serving in a role that required presidential appointment and Senate confirmation to serve as an acting director in another executive agency. There is a time limit of 210 days which may be extended.

Trump has others in dual roles. After Russell Vought was confirmed by the Senate to lead the Office of Management and Budget (OMB), Trump designated him to be acting director of the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (CFPB).
 
Can Patel refuse most of the budget of atf or does it have to be president who gives back the money to Congress from that department?
 
It's stupid on it's face. But brilliant in strategy. You'd NEVER appoint one dude to be in charge of both - even for a short period of time. Especially if you're looking to make some serious changes/improvements to both organizations.

But it sort of forces the hand of the Senate when he chooses an ATF director. "Look, you can pick this guy and approve him. . . . or Flash Patel can keep doing both jobs. Make up your mind."
 
Interesting. I don’t like the idea of an insider resuming control, but he makes a lot of good points. I would prefer a pit bull who will just destroy the existing ATF and rebuild any needed controls grounds up. Needs some investigation.
 
O’Kelly would probably advise Trump that there have been hundreds of unlawful convictions under Biden including Matt Hoover and Justin Ervin in the auto key card case. He was set to testify on their behalf but defense council decided against that the day before his testimony was scheduled.

I would rather ATF be abolished but let’s face the facts that would take an act of Congress and we ain’t getting that.
 
Individualist said:
Interesting. I don’t like the idea of an insider resuming control, but he makes a lot of good points. I would prefer a pit bull who will just destroy the existing ATF and rebuild any needed controls grounds up. Needs some investigation.
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Destroying the agency doesn't change the law. Just like firing everyone in the IRS doesn't change your tax liability, and firing everyone at DMV doesn't change the requirement for a DL and tags.

I completely understand the problem of ATF making up their own rules that don't conform to the law. Insider or not, someone who actually knows the law and respects the agency's boundaries would be a welcome change. Then we know what we can or can't do, instead of getting sucker punched years down the line.
 
Correct, however it definitely needs to be reformed. For that matter, so does the entire federal bureaucracy. State reform would be nice, but that will vary from state to state.

Some federal agencies can effectively be put out of business by zeroing out their budgets. DOE (both of them), EPA, and some others come to mind.

KBCraig said:
Destroying the agency doesn't change the law. Just like firing everyone in the IRS doesn't change your tax liability, and firing everyone at DMV doesn't change the requirement for a DL and tags.

I completely understand the problem of ATF making up their own rules that don't conform to the law. Insider or not, someone who actually knows the law and respects the agency's boundaries would be a welcome change. Then we know what we can or can't do, instead of getting sucker punched years down the line.
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I thought Bonging was ATF appointee, but you know the first few days is libs speculation.

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How Kash Patel & Dan Bongino Could Secure Major Gun Rights Victories - Texas Gun Rights

In a massive shake-up of federal law enforcement, President Trump has named Kash Patel as Acting Director of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF) and appointed Dan Bongino as Deputy Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI). For America’s gun owners, these...
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Good luck!
 
One thing that has to cease for sure is the ATF creating de facto law through their own politicized interpretations, without a law actually being revised or created. That shit has to stop cold.
 
While it may take an act of congress to eliminate the ATF entirely , is there anything to prevent it's budget being set to say 0 ?
 
FalArAk said:
Rather than trying to keep up with all these .gov shenanigans, can someone just PM me when I can finally put a bayonet on my AR15?
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Any time I hear bayonet mentioned, it brings me back to the Westwood NES shoot where a member of this board charged out with a group to kill some targets and faceplanted in the field. I will not reveal Ross' handle here as I am not that guy. Lol

I have it on video.
 
Fixxah said:
Any time I hear bayonet mentioned, it brings me back to the Westwood NES shoot where a member of this board charged out with a group to kill some targets and faceplanted in the field. I will not reveal Ross' handle here as I am not that guy. Lol

I have it on video.
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the subject became a line item in all shoot safety briefs thereafter [laugh2]
 
Lank said:
Didn't that bullshit go away with Chevron?
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Yes and no. For a while, anyhow, the Feds can just say "see you in court." It's not like it's THEIR money that's gonna be spent on defending themselves.

And before you claim that's BS - look at Trump. Do we really think ALL of the DOGE things he wants done are actually legal? Of course not. He's planning on some of them getting kicked in court. Who pays? You and me.
 
safetyfirst2125 said:
He can hold both roles. It’s not breaking any laws that I can find and it’s acting.

In terms of what he could do with that role:

Specific Actions Patel Could Take

- Rollback Biden-Era Rules: Patel could initiate rulemaking to rescind or modify the “Engaged in the Business” Rule, Pistol Brace Rule, “Ghost Gun” Rule, and Zero Tolerance Policy, aligning with Trump’s executive order and Republican demands.

- Reclassify Firearms/Accessories: He could revise ATF classifications (e.g., reclassifying pistol braces as non-NFA items) to reduce regulatory burdens, as courts have done in cases like Franklin Armory.

- Destroy Old Records: He could comply with Republican senators’ requests () to destroy outdated ATF Form 4473 records, reducing data collection on gun owners.

- Shift Enforcement Priorities: Patel could redirect ATF resources away from regulating law-abiding gun owners (e.g., FFL inspections for minor errors) toward combating illegal firearms trafficking or transnational crime, as Bondi instructed.

- Abolish the ATF (Hypothetical): Some X posts suggest abolishing the ATF entirely. However, this would require congressional action to repeal the agency’s authorizing statutes (GCA, NFA), which is beyond Patel’s authority as Director.
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Burn all records of 4473 not reduce.
remove all regulations etc..
make the ATF a store
 

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