Have you had personal experience with the clone shops that have been mentioned here to base an option off of?
I personally don't know, because I'm not in Glock world.
And being a diy'er if it's basic, I'll just buy the part and fix it myself rather than go through the B's of sending it in.
Yes I am aware. That's why I've used the word clone multiple times to represent that.
And having those parts more readily available and potentially better or improved materials is nice as well. They just like Glock make money on their guns too. Same as the parts. Because some may like a p80 grip and may like the Zev slide or whatever combo. Which is why Glock has a massive aftermarket because of all the boutique small companies.
Were those Massachusetts selling prices because everyone was scared or normal market prices outside of ban states?
AREX for the money beats out Glock everyday of the week. held both, shot both. Bought the AREX.
Only down side is no aftermarket because they are a small European company.
But again they saw the short comings of Glocks and made the better improvements and still sell for less.
Daggers, I have no comment on. And have a somewhat biased hate for palmetto in general because they won't ship anything to Massachusetts at all. Like Wilson combat , all aero subsidiaries and a few more. That I will also never buy from again.
Tell that to the HK 45 I tried to trade towards an M&P 2.0. the offer was insulting on the HK.
Won't ever got to that shop again.
Got a little more from a more local shop that I keep going too.
If nothing has really changed between the generations of Glocks and they really are the same thing over and over, there is no r&d to recoup.
Which means they are essentially stealing everyone's money for an inferior product.
Why are there mass amounts of Glock boxes?
All new?
Mixed of new and used or police buy backs?
Crazy cheap promo prices for dealers?
Big kick backs for sales?
Again, it's one of the most traded in guns. Which means 1 of 3 possible things off the top of my head.
1. It sat and did nothing and the owner didn't feel like they needed it anymore
2. Someone died and the person that inherited it didn't want it.
3. The buyer found out it wasn't for them and upgraded to something better fitting.
The market is leaving them behind.
LE contracts and gov contracts are their big business.
Then the only Glock community similar to the only smith community you referenced earlier.
And when I say LE and Gov, I'm referring to the off duty purchases that still use their on duty discounts.
They'll continue to buy Glock for 2 reasons.
1. Discount
2. It's what they use on duty, so they know the operation of it and won't have to learn anything new.
Then there's a whole demographic of people that buy it for multiple reasons unknown to me and switches.
Never said they weren't successful. Just said I think it's coming to an end based on how slow they are adapting to an evolving market.
It's one of the top brands because they gave there product away and flooded the market.
Then all the I have to be like the police or military hard ons jumped on board and followed suit.
That was their marketing strategy.
After that, they developed it a little more.
Kinda like a new customer and drug dealer.
Give em a taste for a heavy discount or free and you get a customer for life
Were all your sales Massachusetts based?
If so, Massachusetts roster restrictions have al lot to do with not offering the competition to Glock which would be why the sales would slant in that direction.
I realize the marketing power and brand recognition for it. I just think that they'll will lose that in the coming years. Personal opinion due to things I've already stated.
Being a former mechanic, I also widely understand the time cost value. I started practicing it in my late 20's. Nothing else like being flat rate will make you learn that real fast.
Which is why I work on my own stuff. That and because I trust no one else to do it.
Never mind paying someone to do something and me getting it back and expecting to be better quality for what I paid. Meaning, that the quality of work doesn't measure up to the money I spent for said service.
I apply the same to anyone working on my car. Won't let anyone do it, unless it's body work or mounting and balancing tires. Because I don't have the space for the equipment to do it.
And even then I hate paying for it because I know how easy it is.
What is exactly shitty about an APX?
Because other than the takedown lever being tight, it's just as easy as a Glock.
And in my personal opinion, better in every way except for aftermarket. But, to be honest it doesn't really need it. Maybe a lighter trigger. But that's personal preference.
