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not yet, but, this is how it will become MA before too long. On the plus side, NH is about to be treated to some really great graffiti artists!

NH WAS great, until they let the communist waves across the border from Mass. Meldrim Thomson had the right idea. Tactical nukes with the NH national guard to protect the southern border.
 
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I know I don’t need a carry license in Nh but is it worth the 10 bucks to get one? I understand the reciprocity of having it but are there any other reasons I’m not thinking of?
It is worth it for the reciprocity in my opinion. But my lifestyle and yours may be different.
 

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Lol @ a P&R bg check. I have had heard stories of chiefs just finishing the res form and handing the citizen the tissue paper. Also liability? For what? The license enables very little.

Not to mention with most carry licenses in america with the exception of that one square state ( i dont remember it offhand) That does monthly nics hits on license holders, most carry licenses in america are not hot checked during their term. Carry licenses are not some magical talisman against someone unknowingly selling a gun to a prohibited person.
Just like those job application questions: "Have you ever been arrested? Explain below." "No, never been caught."

You see the UBC thing breakdown every time a mass killing is perpetrated by someone who "legally" bought a gun. Sometimes it’s through error in the process and sometimes it’s because "the system" was never used to process a whacko. Take the Walmart shooter, who “legally” bought a gun hours before his killing spree - the gun control advocates are on the “mandatory waiting period” warpath again. Rand Gun Policy Expert Tool takes input from 173 so-called gun violence experts and finds enacting a 10-day waiting period for all firearms sales would have virtually zero impact on firearms homicides.

Support for new gun laws always surges after a mass shooting but the laws passed in states/fed have very little impact, if any, on outcomes.

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A real BG check takes less then a couple of minutes, so there is no excuse for any PD to issue a P/R without doing one. Just like the check they do when they stop you for speeding, it is damn near instantaneous.

Nothing in the law requires that the issuing authority be a PD (many towns don't even have police). It can be the selectmen of a town.

Nothing in the law requires a background check. The application says that the applicant agrees to investigation of the answers given, but that is not required for a license to be issued.
I agree that the RSA doesn'd demand a PD perform a BG check. My comment was that it is crazy for a PD NOT to run the BG check, since it takes so little effort.

As for towns without PDs, I understand that the selectmen can't run a BG check, however the RSA doesn't require it, so they wouldn't incur any liability for not doing what they legally can't do.
 

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I agree that the RSA doesn'd demand a PD perform a BG check. My comment was that it is crazy for a PD NOT to run the BG check, since it takes so little effort.

As for towns without PDs, I understand that the selectmen can't run a BG check, however the RSA doesn't require it, so they wouldn't incur any liability for not doing what they legally can't do.
I know, first hand info, that one sheriff's office has processed checks for towns, so it happens and it's not unusual, even if it's not specifically required. I do think the requirement is implied given the requirements to issue, how else would they know?
 
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I add that to my F2F sale postings too, here and at my F&Gs, but seldom ask to see it at the transaction. Most have offered and I glance at the NH DL & PRL in their hand and say, we’re good. Once, somebody arrived in a car with MA plates, saying their buddy drove them, and didn’t have his NH DL on him. Sorry - nope. Go-Time isn’t Go-to-Jail-Time for some entrapment BS.

While they both looked OK, I never got a follow-up when I said we can reschedule. Not an NES Green, so I just wrote it off…could be they were just pissed off, found a better deal, etc.
I was buying some stuff at a shop in Southern NH and a man walked to the counter with a stack of standard capacity AR mags. The woman working there asked for his ID, the man said he forgot it, and the employee said "sorry, I can't sell these to you if you're a Mass resident". The man said "oh, I didn't know" and then quickly walked off and got in his Jeep with MA plates. I commented that he absolutely knew and the employee said "yeah, I think so too". I saw him later trying his luck a few minutes down the road. I'd guess your would-be buyer was hoping you would take the risk.
 
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The res P&R you get is one of three copies. One goes to you, one stays at the issuing PD, and one goes to the state and is entered into their DB. There is a number on it in red. I've personally seen it keyed into the system and it pulls up the info. I do IT for LE in NH, I'm pretty up on what the systems do and don't do.
The state maintains a DB of all P&Rs both res and non-res.
That's interesting, given that the above not only does not match the plain language of RSA 159:6, but also the state of New Hampshire has repeatedly denied the existence of any database of resident P&Rs.
 

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That's interesting, given that the above not only does not match the plain language of RSA 159:6, but also the state of New Hampshire has repeatedly denied the existence of any database of resident P&Rs.
spend more time behind the counter at police stations, the fun stuff you see and hear. I won't repeat anything I don't know to be public. In this case I thought it was public info, if it's not no one acts like it isn't.
But I'll ask when I get a chance.
Did see him put in the number and POP there was the info. There is an inter-agency link in the system too. The results don't provide where the info comes from on a routine query. That stuff is in the report later. So maybe it came through that. Still they do send that paper on, maybe they keep in in a box (not a DB).

Maybe they keep the info in a spreadsheet, that's not a "database". real easy to play word games.

You know, now I want to ask them WTF

I took a look at the RSA you linked. And it sure does say "in duplicate" and what to do with those. But nothing prohibits more copies, it just sets a minimum. Is there a law that prohibits keeping a database?
 

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I was buying some stuff at a shop in Southern NH and a man walked to the counter with a stack of standard capacity AR mags. The woman working there asked for his ID, the man said he forgot it, and the employee said "sorry, I can't sell these to you if you're a Mass resident". The man said "oh, I didn't know" and then quickly walked off and got in his Jeep with MA plates. I commented that he absolutely knew and the employee said "yeah, I think so too". I saw him later trying his luck a few minutes down the road. I'd guess your would-be buyer was hoping you would take the risk.
That's cute but in nh those are just pieces of metal or plastic. The fact that one or two box stores make dumb rules about unregulated stuff isn't a great point of comparison.
 
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That's cute but in nh those are just pieces of metal or plastic. The fact that one or two box stores make dumb rules about unregulated stuff isn't a great point of comparison.
Yeah, I'm in NH. But I imagine it's not a winning move for shops to sell to someone from MA. And people in MA know they don't have a permission slip from their government to bring them home.
 
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I was buying some stuff at a shop in Southern NH and a man walked to the counter with a stack of standard capacity AR mags. The woman working there asked for his ID, the man said he forgot it, and the employee said "sorry, I can't sell these to you if you're a Mass resident". The man said "oh, I didn't know" and then quickly walked off and got in his Jeep with MA plates. I commented that he absolutely knew and the employee said "yeah, I think so too". I saw him later trying his luck a few minutes down the road. I'd guess your would-be buyer was hoping you would take the risk.
GEE!! What shop would that be? You get two guesses.
 

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I took a look at the RSA you linked. And it sure does say "in duplicate" and what to do with those. But nothing prohibits more copies, it just sets a minimum. Is there a law that prohibits keeping a database?
During a ride-along I specifically asked the officer if he could pull up info on an out-of-town driver's P/R License and the answer was NO, that this info only exists within the issuing department's online database. The RSA confirms this.
 

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During a ride-along I specifically asked the officer if he could pull up info on an out-of-town driver's P/R License and the answer was NO, that this info only exists within the issuing department's online database. The RSA confirms this.
So it’s a similar spying data base that the Maine SP were using to gain intelligence on protesters?
Yesterday the trooper who was protected by the Whistleblowers Act gained $300K from a jury after 5 hours of deliberations.

When my former town got laptops in all the cruisers my LTC was not in the data but an accident I was in back in the late 80’s was visible along with my driving record showing no other crashes or tickets and that was 100% accurate.
 

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Yeah, I'm in NH. But I imagine it's not a winning move for shops to sell to someone from MA. And people in MA know they don't have a permission slip from their government to bring them home.
Not sure why a shop should care how another state regulates it’s inmates?
If there is no state or federal law prohibiting the sale of regular magazines to any person that comes in, it is a winning move for the shop to sell and make money.
 

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During a ride-along I specifically asked the officer if he could pull up info on an out-of-town driver's P/R License and the answer was NO, that this info only exists within the issuing department's online database. The RSA confirms this.
I can only say what I know.
In NH large cities/towns have their own DB, and it is tied into the State system. These larger PDs will also have a cross agency link into a cross agency hub, Nashua and Portsmouth are hubs, there are others. Smaller PDs will get their DB services from the County, which in turn have the State and inter agency links.
There are only a few providers of the public safety systems and most agencies just follow along with whatever the agency above them in the chain use. BUT recently the state opted to replace their system and this is having a ripple effect through the counties and PDs and many are taking this opportunity to replace the old system, which grew out of a DOS based system from way back. This is resulting in a more varied use of systems and should be a lot of fun to get all linked together.

What it comes down to is no department has to maintain a DB of all the information. They have access to everyone else's DB. So agency A can say they don't maintain a DB of agency B's info, but they can run a query across all DBs and get the info they want.
 

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I was buying some stuff at a shop in Southern NH and a man walked to the counter with a stack of standard capacity AR mags. The woman working there asked for his ID, the man said he forgot it, and the employee said "sorry, I can't sell these to you if you're a Mass resident". The man said "oh, I didn't know" and then quickly walked off and got in his Jeep with MA plates. I commented that he absolutely knew and the employee said "yeah, I think so too". I saw him later trying his luck a few minutes down the road. I'd guess your would-be buyer was hoping you would take the risk.
"I can't sell these to you" was a store policy, not the law.

There is nothing illegal about a Mass resident buying or possessing standard magazines outside of Mass.
 
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Just like those job application questions: "Have you ever been arrested? Explain below." "No, never been caught."

You see the UBC thing breakdown every time a mass killing is perpetrated by someone who "legally" bought a gun. Sometimes it’s through error in the process and sometimes it’s because "the system" was never used to process a whacko. Take the Walmart shooter, who “legally” bought a gun hours before his killing spree - the gun control advocates are on the “mandatory waiting period” warpath again. Rand Gun Policy Expert Tool takes input from 173 so-called gun violence experts and finds enacting a 10-day waiting period for all firearms sales would have virtually zero impact on firearms homicides.

Support for new gun laws always surges after a mass shooting but the laws passed in states/fed have very little impact, if any, on outcomes.

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I think that a lot of people know this, but I'm going to reiterate anyway.

Gun control has NOTHING to do with crime, dead kids, violence or public health. It has to do with control.

The left is no longer traditionally liberal. They are Marxists. Socialists. Communists. Before BLM sanitized their web site, the three, grifting founders labeled themselves as Marxists, right there on the page. (Funny how Marxists were too willing to line their pockets with all that cash that poured in from all of those guilty, stupid white people.

They understand that guns give the population the ability to say "no" to their goal to turn the US into a communist state. Mao was the one who said that "political power grows out of the barrel of a gun."

If they could, Marxist Democrats would ban every single gun in civilian hands, and would confiscate all of them. Even Diane Feinstein said that her best wet, juicy dream would be "Mr. and Mrs. America, turn them all in."

But the population is not willing to go along with this. So they chip away at our rights, a tiny bit by tiny bit. They take every opportunity to make owning a gun expensive, a hassle, dangerous, and illegal if you don't do it right.

They can't just admit that they're doing this because they want the citizenry to bend over, spread the cheeks, and beg for it like good slaves. They can't admit what their real goal is, so they come up with a slightly reasonable excuse of why we need gun control. They bleat that it's about the children. Violence. Public health. Healthcare costs. These reasons don't even have to stand up to careful scrutiny. As long as they sound reasonable, the left pushes them.

If the left gave a damn about crime, they wouldn't be letting criminals out of jail, declining to prosecute, people, undermining and defunding police, and dropping or downgrading charges.

Now 80% of Democrats are clueless about this. They are what Stalin's minions called "useful idiots". They are the sheep that go along with whatever their leaders tell them is correct. They don't have time to do homework, research or reading, so they drink the kool aid, and parrot the propaganda.

It's the 20% who are leading this drive who are the evil ones. They know the goal is to disarm America, and they are leading the faithful toward continuing to work to bring this to a successful completion.
 
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If the left gave a damn about crime, they wouldn't be letting criminals out of jail, declining to prosecute, people, undermining and defunding police, and dropping or downgrading charges.

Now 80% of Democrats are clueless about this. They are what Stalin's minions called "useful idiots". They are the sheep that go along with whatever their leaders tell them is correct. They don't have time to do homework, research or reading, so they drink the kool aid, and parrot the propaganda.

It's the 20% who are leading this drive who are the evil ones. They know the goal is to disarm America, and they are leading the faithful toward continuing to work to bring this to a successful completion.
Leftist ideals are incompatible with the harshness of reality. Gun grabbing is about control, whether that be taking or preserving it. Leftists often call for gun grabbing without thinking through the destruction of self reliance or protection. Other times, they blame the paintbrush because they're uncomfortable holding the painter accountable.
 

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There is the problem. The Get along, Go along, Bullshit. This should tell everyone what that gun shop thinks of your rights.
To be fair it doesn’t just happen in NH. I had it happen to me in northern Maine when I bought the non mass version of the 365 as a Maine resident on the 4473. No large cap for you.

I got over it rather quickly and still returned to buy stuff including my suppressor.
 

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To be fair it doesn’t just happen in NH. I had it happen to me in northern Maine when I bought the non mass version of the 365 as a Maine resident on the 4473. No large cap for you.
Lol I would have left the thing on the counter right in the shop said they can keep the gun. That's pure bullshit.
 
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