NH Gunline Information

[michaelpelosillc]

Hello,
Will anyone graciously share with me how getting set up as a dealer for the NH Gunline works? It's been going on 4 days since I sent over my information to get "set up," and I still haven't received any additional information. I haven't been able to get anyone on the phone, either. I would go in person, but I'm not even sure where I would show up.

Beyond having my FFL/Permit to Sell P&R, what else is typically required? As far as I can tell, NH doesn't publicly list (or indicate) an official Gunline number/fax number, so finding information has been difficult. The city Records Dept didn't really know how it all worked, or what the parameters were, so I didn't get much from them. Maybe it just takes a while to get an account set up for a dealer (if that's even a thing), but I was initially told that it's a "quick" process. So perhaps it's me?

Any gunline help/guidance for a new dealer would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.

 

[timbo]

This is what the NH Gunline looks like...

Good luck with your search.

 

[michaelpelosillc]

This is what the NH Gunline looks like...

Good luck with your search.

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Thanks. I actually got a response (finally). They were very nice. But still, very little information. I got a form, a number to call and a number to fax, and was told "congratulations." Not even a concise answer if frames, by NH RSA, would go through the GL or NICS. Still better than being in MA, though.

 

[Kevin_NH]

Not even a concise answer if frames, by NH RSA, would go through the GL or NICS.

Agreed, RSA 159-D is vague, so you're left with the federal law/rulemaking.

Per prior ATF guidance and the state police, you go through the state for handguns and “other”. Who knows where this is going (federally) with the new frame & receiver rule.

 

[Qwikdraw45]

Thanks. I actually got a response (finally). They were very nice. But still, very little information. I got a form, a number to call and a number to fax, and was told "congratulations." Not even a concise answer if frames, by NH RSA, would go through the GL or NICS. Still better than being in MA, though.

When I've done "Others" (as a customer) all of the dealers said they go through the GunLine since it "could" become a handgun. The retarded part (and it may be Fed law) is that one lower already had a rifle stock installed (so it could never be registered as a handgun), and the shop said they still had to do it as an "other" and use the GunLine.

Some dealers will fax, since they can do multiple sales at once, without tying someone up on the phone. I stay away from them, since the places that do it on the phone get someone and give you a response that day. "Fax only" places have taken up to 3 days for a response. (Phone took 9 days, once, but that was during the plan-demic). I found an email to contact them and check on the status (still auto-reply) at: [email protected]

 

[KBCraig]

My LGS runs all “others” through the Gun Line. I’ve never heard of any that don’t.

I didn’t even know it was a question. Rifles and shotguns are NICS; anything else is state.

 

[michaelpelosillc]

Agreed, RSA 159-D is vague, so you're left with the federal law/rulemaking.

Per prior ATF guidance and the state police, you go through the state for handguns and “other”. Who knows where this is going (federally) with the new frame & receiver rule.

Interesting. My IOI told me the receivers/rifles via NICS, pistols/revolvers/handguns through The GunLine, and the response on frames has been mixed. I was also told that the GunLine will only process additional items if handguns/pistols are involved. Which makes referring to them for "Other" even more challenging. But NICS doesn't give the option for anything that isn't a long gun for NH residents (you can't select redemption of a frame, receiver, etc.)

 

[michaelpelosillc]

When I've done "Others" (as a customer) all of the dealers said they go through the GunLine since it "could" become a handgun. The retarded part (and it may be Fed law) is that one lower already had a rifle stock installed (so it could never be registered as a handgun), and the shop said they still had to do it as an "other" and use the GunLine.

Some dealers will fax, since they can do multiple sales at once, without tying someone up on the phone. I stay away from them, since the places that do it on the phone get someone and give you a response that day. "Fax only" places have taken up to 3 days for a response. (Phone took 9 days, once, but that was during the plan-demic). I found an email to contact them and check on the status (still auto-reply) at: [email protected]

I was told yesterday by one of the GunLine reps that phones take priority over fax. When I asked what that meant in terms of wait times, she said "If you can, just call it in."

 

[Kevin_NH]

Interesting. My IOI told me the receivers/rifles via NICS, pistols/revolvers/handguns through The GunLine, and the response on frames has been mixed. I was also told that the GunLine will only process additional items if handguns/pistols are involved. Which makes referring to them for "Other" even more challenging. But NICS doesn't give the option for anything that isn't a long gun for NH residents (you can't select redemption of a frame, receiver, etc.)

Did they have anything to say specifically regarding Pistol-Grip-Only (PGO) "not a shotgun" firearms (e.g. Shockwave, the most obvious example of "Other")?

TMK, PGO always goes via the state POC (gunline).

 

[Maxrobot]

"It's been going on 4 days since I sent over my information to get "set up," and I still haven't received any additional information. I haven't been able to get anyone on the phone, either."
Trying to do business with a State agency the last week of Summer and before a three-day holiday weekend? You were very optimistic.

 

[michaelpelosillc]

"It's been going on 4 days since I sent over my information to get "set up," and I still haven't received any additional information. I haven't been able to get anyone on the phone, either."
Trying to do business with a State agency the last week of Summer and before a three-day holiday weekend? You were very optimistic.

Silly me. They've been great with everything else, though. My permit to sell pistols and revolvers was done in 3 business days and my LLC/zoning request (I had to get something re-zoned for firearms because it was previously zoned as "office space") was done in two hours. Being from MA, I'm getting spoiled on how easy everything has been getting set up in NH.

 

[michaelpelosillc]

Did they have anything to say specifically regarding Pistol-Grip-Only (PGO) "not a shotgun" firearms (e.g. Shockwave, the most obvious example of "Other")?

TMK, PGO always goes via the state POC (gunline).

Maybe the IOI was trying to fill me in on what the future would look like, but when processing NICS online for a NH resident, the only options are sale or pawn redemption of a long gun. Maybe the receiver rule will change things. But for MA residents, all standard NICS options are open.

 

[Qwikdraw45]

Maybe the IOI was trying to fill me in on what the future would look like, but when processing NICS online for a NH resident, the only options are sale or pawn redemption of a long gun. Maybe the receiver rule will change things. But for MA residents, all standard NICS options are open.

Wait until you get the GunLine on a Gun Show or busy weekend. It's not so nice then. We either need to go direct Fed or NICS-exempt permit.

 

[Kevin_NH]

Wait until you get the GunLine on a Gun Show or busy weekend. It's not so nice then. We either need to go direct Fed or NICS-exempt permit.

I think Exempt is the right way to go, with a downside that ATF has a bunch of difficult to find criteria for a state to qualify, including "monitor permit holders to ensure continued eligibility using automated and manual processes, and revoke permits when permit holders became ineligible to carry a concealed firearm"

Even so, Constitutional Carry states have navigated this successfully, including Alaska's two-tier CCW (only the permits bearing an "EXEMPT" imprint have the stricter criteria and NICS exemption). And Oklahoma has a LTC with longer than 5 year validity, but still qualifies as NICS-Exempt (for 5 years).

 

[KBCraig]

Continuous monitoring is required for NICS-exempt status, and that comes at a price for the license holder.

I think Texas is now down to $60/yr for an exempt license (it used to be $120/yr); I haven't really kept up.

 

[michaelpelosillc]

Wait until you get the GunLine on a Gun Show or busy weekend. It's not so nice then. We either need to go direct Fed or NICS-exempt permit.

In the time I was an MA FFL, the Fed system online was always up and "instant" 90% of the time, or more. Getting a "researching" could take 20-30 minutes before a proceed or delay was given, but never longer than that. With that said, all of my NH customers so far haven't had anything overtly negative to say about the GunLine, and most quoted a 15 minute wait. To me, that's still a long time when I know it could be instant.

I'd be curious to see any data on what % of background checks that get run through the GunLine result in a denial when NICS would've given a proceed.

 

[Qwikdraw45]

Continuous monitoring is required for NICS-exempt status, and that comes at a price for the license holder.

I think Texas is now down to $60/yr for an exempt license (it used to be $120/yr); I haven't really kept up.

Don't know about Texas or OK, but I still have my AZ permit (Res/Non-res same permit - just need proof of residency i.e. driver's license if living there). $60 for 5 years.

AZ was a big state. Worth $12 a year to be able to drive from Tucson to Flagstaff to pick up something in stock, guaranteed take home, and not have to wonder if you'd have to make two separate trips or have it shipped. Part of the reason I only shop close to home in NH. Since I'm off on Sat/Sun, and the GL closes at 5pm on a Sunday, no sense in taking a trip anywhere far away then.

Another point that people miss is if you wanted to buy one at one place, and another somewhere else on the same day, you're not getting two hits. Yes, you're on the 4473's, but it's not like some hack is sitting somewhere saying "Hey, check this out!".