Non lethal defense

[IDPA Mike]

Is it legal in MA, or neighboring states, to carry a collapsible baton? I have a LTC, if that is an issue.

Thanks, Mike

 

[SMagee]

Not in Mass. License or not, regretfully.

 

[oniriggers]

i have one in my car at all times, i really dont care what happens if it saves my life or another life

 

[drgrant]

Not in Mass. License or not, regretfully.

This isn't completely true. It is legal unless you are arrested for a "breach of public peace" or some crap like that.

http://www.malegislature.gov/Laws/GeneralLaws/PartIV/TitleI/Chapter269/Section10

...whoever, when arrested upon a warrant for an alleged crime, or when arrested while committing a breach or disturbance of the public peace, is armed with or has on his person, or has on his person or under his control in a vehicle, a billy or other dangerous weapon

That said, I'd probably view it as an invitation for a bad LEO to make things up.

-Mike

 

[drgrant]

forget the baton, go to wal-mart and pick up a baseball bat. if they ask, you're coming back from the park.

Bat + Glove, or "The Club". You don't actually have to attach it to your steering wheel... IIRC that thing was invented by a LEO in a commie state so that mere citizens would have plausible deniability for having a "weapon" in their car.

-Mike

 

[cekim]

Bat + Glove, or "The Club". You don't actually have to attach it to your steering wheel... IIRC that thing was invented by a LEO in a commie state so that mere citizens would have plausible deniability for having a "weapon" in their car.

-Mike

So, what you are saying, is that I should not carry an asp, but rather carry a collapsible TV remote backup channel changing implement?



As Drgrant says, the law does not ban most of this stuff, only makes it illegal to have if you are arrested for various things - some of which are pretty trivial misdemeanors (i.e. "contempt of cop") which may or may not be legitimate in themselves, but much like there are more people convicted of "lying to federal agents" than there are securities fraud these days - you may find yourself in very hot water even on a bogus charge...

 

[In God We Trust]

Just get a fancy cane if you don't mind looking a little toolish. Better than an asp any day of the week and legal in all 50 states.

 

[SheepDog_B]

The collapsable baton is old technology. Unless you're sporting throwing stars, nun-chucks, ninja shoes and live in a communist country.

Get some chemical spray my friend!

 

[SheepDog_B]

Just get a fancy cane if you don't mind looking a little toolish. Better than an asp any day of the week and legal in all 50 states.

Once I find the cane that Old Biff had, I'm buying it!

 

[Knob Creek]

Instructions on self defense with a walking stick:

http://www.the-exiles.org/manual/lang/lang.htm

 

[glostamon]

a Tube sock full of (toll money) coins.

 

[MA_Shooter]

An Ozark tire thumper.

 

[BigMike]

An Ozark tire thumper.

Just checked first listing on google:

"Tire thumpers are used by truck drivers all over the world to check inflation on their vehicles tires. Ours is made from Ozark Cedar with a clear-coat finish. Comes with a leather thong, grooved handle, 20" long and 2" diameter and weighs 20 oz. The Ozark Tire Thumper cannot be shipped to MA, DC, Puerto Rico, Canada or Marin, Napa, Ventura or Yolo Counties in CA."


However, a few listings down says they ship worldwide, so I guess as long as you find the right place...

 

[KMaurer]

As Drgrant says, the law does not ban most of this stuff, only makes it illegal to have if you are arrested for various things - some of which are pretty trivial misdemeanors (i.e. "contempt of cop") which may or may not be legitimate in themselves, but much like there are more people convicted of "lying to federal agents" than there are securities fraud these days - you may find yourself in very hot water even on a bogus charge...

Again, reading something into the law that simply isn't there. Possessing one of the numerous potential weapons mentioned in the statute is illegal under only two situations: (1) when arrested on a warrant, or (2) when arrested for a breach of the peace. Now the second allows a little subjectivity, but the first allows none. The real problem is that the average officer probably doesn't remember the statute, only the impression that all these things are illegal. Thus, you'll get arrested, the charges will be dropped, and quite possibly some other charges filed in their place if the police are either pissed at you or think you're likely to make a stink about false arrest.

Ken

 

[MtRiverCharlie]

I could see you getting charged with breaching the peace if you used it to protect yourself.

 

[MisterHappy]

I could see you getting charged with breaching the peace if you used it to protect yourself.

No, then you'll be charges with assault, or assault and battery.

See the old guy with the knife thread.

 

[wolf223]

*at your own risk*

use both.

a baseball bat can't be concealed as well as an ASP.


perfectly good uses for an ASP: 16 y/o punk pulls a switch blade to impress his two buddies in a parking lot.

1. snap (extend) your ASP.
2. break his wrist with a super-fast, downward motion (while snapping YOUR fist to increase the speed of the blow) on his or her ulna or radius to snap it like a twig... -rendering thier knife-holding hand useless....
3. after they drop the knife, kick it off to the side, in a lateral movement, take a swift blow to the lateral side of their "weak side" knee (opposite of the knife holding hand) to bring them to their knees; hopefully causing an ACL, MCL tear of just shattering their knee-cap (hence, the term, knee cap)
4. grab the mop top, pull their head back and make a claw with your fist.
5. yell out HAAA YAAAA! while subsequently striking / grasping them in their trachea and pulling it from their neck....
6. let the bad guy drop.... squeeze the bloody trachea in your hand as you turn and look at the other two bad guys...

 

[drgrant]

*at your own risk*

use both.

a baseball bat can't be concealed as well as an ASP.


perfectly good uses for an ASP: 16 y/o punk pulls a switch blade to impress his two buddies in a parking lot.

1. snap (extend) your ASP.
2. break his wrist with a super-fast, downward motion (while snapping YOUR fist to increase the speed of the blow) on his or her ulna or radius to snap it like a twig... -rendering thier knife-holding hand useless....
3. after they drop the knife, kick it off to the side, in a lateral movement, take a swift blow to the lateral side of their "weak side" knee (opposite of the knife holding hand) to bring them to their knees; hopefully causing an ACL, MCL tear of just shattering their knee-cap (hence, the term, knee cap)
4. grab the mop top, pull their head back and make a claw with your fist.
5. yell out HAAA YAAAA! while subsequently striking / grasping them in their trachea and pulling it from their neck....
6. let the bad guy drop.... squeeze the bloody trachea in your hand as you turn and look at the other two bad guys...

You forgot step #7, light up a Kool when finished, so you can avoid having to use the ASP again.

-Mike

 

[cekim]

Again, reading something into the law that simply isn't there.
...
The real problem is that the average officer probably doesn't remember the statute, only the impression that all these things are illegal. Thus, you'll get arrested, the charges will be dropped, and quite possibly some other charges filed in their place if the police are either pissed at you or think you're likely to make a stink about false arrest.

Agree with everything you said except the first sentence?

Lack of specific knowledge of the statute, vagueness of "breech of peace" as well as MA tendency to read anything that is not specifically allowed as illegal coupled with "no problem we will just charge you with something else" attitude of the DA was the issue I was raising...

The letter of the law doesn't prohibit most of this stuff, but you should be aware that the letter and the reality frequently bear little resemblance to each other in MA... That is all...

 

[TWBARRETT]

I used to carry one of those mini bats that they would give out at Sox games in my car

 

[MisterHappy]

most of the stuff mentioned is fine, until it's used.

In a fight, if you kick, your shoes are dangerous weapons.

 

[MichaelJR]

Us irishmen have a time proven solution

the shillelagh

We've been beating brittish, loyalists, thieves, and whoever pisses us off with these bad-larrys since we were sober enough to make them without cutting ourselves.

 

[wolf223]

I used to carry one of those mini bats that they would give out at Sox games in my car

i broke one of those over a kids back in highschool. they don't work all that good against a determined opponent.

 

[wolf223]

 

[TWBARRETT]

i broke one of those over a kids back in highschool. they don't work all that good against a determined opponent.

Good thing I never had to use it, although mine was an older version and didnt have a thin handle.

 

[cekim]

Don't bring a knife to an asp fight?

Or is the issue there that he wore white after labor day?