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Go to Home Depot and buy a thick dowel to fit in the middle of the moon clip, this can be used to keep the clip stable while you pop cartridges into it, when unloading the empty cases put the dowel in the middle of the moon clip to hold it steady while inserting a 4 inch carriage bolt into the empty cartridge to pop it out of the moon clip. This will cost you 15 minutes and $5 at Home Depot and you can load and unload the cartridges very quickly once you get the hang of it